The Killing of Anwar al-Awlaki
- Thread starter SnakeTom
- Start date
I assume that even his supporters will also have to admit he screwed up royally with his healthcare reform bill regardless of how he continues to stand by it....
He does get credit for sure, but how much? Several of these leaders were killed or captured by the Marines under Bush as well. Does the President get extra credit because the Marines were able to execute on a certain target?
Does a President of a company take credit for a customer sale even if he wasn't directly involved in it?
This post was edited on 9/30 12:58 PM by HALL85
He does get credit for sure, but how much? Several of these leaders were killed or captured by the Marines under Bush as well. Does the President get extra credit because the Marines were able to execute on a certain target?
Does a President of a company take credit for a customer sale even if he wasn't directly involved in it?
This post was edited on 9/30 12:58 PM by HALL85
Calm down...I said he should get credit. I questioned how much.
Is there a problem putting something in perspective? The problem is people like you like to label others based on their opinions about one thing. Obama has done a lousy job IMO...so that means I'm polarizing??? Haven't I been constantly critical of both the Republican and Democratic Congress; I didn't vote for Christie, but I guess those facts wouldn't support your point of view. Polarizing?? I think you need to look in the mirror. Try to be objective sometimes.
This post was edited on 9/30 5:06 PM by HALL85
Is there a problem putting something in perspective? The problem is people like you like to label others based on their opinions about one thing. Obama has done a lousy job IMO...so that means I'm polarizing??? Haven't I been constantly critical of both the Republican and Democratic Congress; I didn't vote for Christie, but I guess those facts wouldn't support your point of view. Polarizing?? I think you need to look in the mirror. Try to be objective sometimes.
This post was edited on 9/30 5:06 PM by HALL85
Just as I suspected. You are incapable of giving the President credit regardless of what he does. As I recall Hall85 you were even criticizing the first lady for encouraging nutrition. And no, President Bush did not cross into other countries to take out our targets.
And why should I agree with your opinion on the healthcare bill just because you say so. I think this country needs healthcare reform. My only disagreement with the President there is it should not have been prioritized over job creation. It seems that both you band SPK live in a black and white world where everything & everyone is either 100% good or 100% bad. But that is not reality.
Tom K
And why should I agree with your opinion on the healthcare bill just because you say so. I think this country needs healthcare reform. My only disagreement with the President there is it should not have been prioritized over job creation. It seems that both you band SPK live in a black and white world where everything & everyone is either 100% good or 100% bad. But that is not reality.
Tom K
You polarized it because you turned Tom's post into political posturing on your part, twisting the argument around to fit your agenda. That's been your playbook on these boards for a very long time. We get it, you don't like the health care law.
Your criticism here has always leaned against the left much more so than the right.
I am always objective. I voted for him but there are many things I don't like about him. I am not a blind follower.
And Tom, you just proved once again that you are a hipocrite. You ask a question, not because you care about the answer, but to prove a point about how either I or Steve feel. Try to be transparent when you ask a question next time.
You obviously can't read, since I did give him credit. Keep labeling people like your buddy 09...that does a lot to eliminate the polarization.
You obviously can't read, since I did give him credit. Keep labeling people like your buddy 09...that does a lot to eliminate the polarization.
I criticize both parties, but if I happen to believe in more of the conservative principals, that's polarizing....I get it. Who was the last non-Democrat you voted for Mr. Objective?
Well at least you admit Tom was trying to start an argument....
No you did not give an answer to my question instead you tied it to healthcare and put in a ton of qualifications. I have said many times that I do not think OB has done a very good job as President. Some things I like, others I don't. But you attack each and everything he does. No President has been 100% good or bad. It's always a mixed bad & one hopes that the good outweighs the bad.
By the way you have accused me of having a bias on legal issues and I do which is why I don't comment on them (though I do not handle malpracice matters as you previously suggested). But you work in the healthcare industry so I would think you have a bias there also.
TK
And since you asked 09 if he ever votes for the GOP I'll give my answer also FWIW. Yes I voted for Daggett, Zimmer & Lance and the entire Republican slate in local & county races. But it really shouldn't matter as local races are decided on local issues. Let's not kid ourselves the Governor's race was not decided on a Liberal/Conservative breakdown but rather a anti-Corzine vote.
TK
TK
its going to be real funny if the extremely minor health care reforms that came out of this bill become the norm in a few years & everybody likes them.
other than that, its good to see that it still feels like beating my head against a wall on my occasional trips over here to read this part of the board.
other than that, its good to see that it still feels like beating my head against a wall on my occasional trips over here to read this part of the board.
Tom, c'mon. You asked a silly question so I gave you a snarky answer. Get over it. Are you going to ask if Obama should get credit or blame each day the stock market goes up or down too? We agree that OB has done some good and some bad....we disagree on the extent of each. Yes, I'm tired of his condescending monotonous speeches and inability to work with Congress, just as I was critical about many of Bush's failings.
And having spent my entire career in healthcare, I do have an opinion on a system that needs repair, improvement and affordable treatment options. I'm not going down that road again, but it pains me (no pun intended) as to what was passed and the resources that are being wasted for a bill that will have most of it repealed anyway.
And having spent my entire career in healthcare, I do have an opinion on a system that needs repair, improvement and affordable treatment options. I'm not going down that road again, but it pains me (no pun intended) as to what was passed and the resources that are being wasted for a bill that will have most of it repealed anyway.
I give the Prez credit for getting Osama and now this guy and his buddies too. You have to give credit where credit is due. This is clearly a good thing for the country and Obama too. Glad he and our armed forces got this done. No matter who is the President, we have to continue reasonable ways to make sure these terrorists know we will not rest if they are trying to hurt Americans. Using technology and drones does not put our guys in the line of fire and is a great way to pick off these aholes. Well done!
Ironically, the only successes that Obama has had have been due to the excellent execution of the missions by the US military. That same military that is in danger of being severely weakened if Obama's budget people have their way.
Never said obliterated but rather really reformed. Social security should be turned into tangible, fungible retirement accounts and not stay as a giant Ponzi scheme used for general spending purposes. And military spending should be cut as well (not defense spending, there is a difference). No need to have bases in 130 countries and fund other nations' defenses.
It would be nice if you actually added to the conversation once in awhile with real ideas instead of general, grandstanding platitudes.
No question that military budget is fair game when making budget cuts. Hope though that discretion is used during these most volatile days... Our fighting effectiveness should not be compromised.
