Trump has now admitted he revealed classified information to the Russians. As a country we cannot have this reckless behavior as a president. Trump is a Traitor.
The Manchurian President
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This is the beginning of the end for this president. Behavior is just too undisciplined and on the edge of insanity.
Honestly don't think he will complete his term... Way too much smoke for there to be no fire.
cern, seriously, do you just look to recycle these Trump must go post every two weeks with a different angle? Let's face it. He's not going anywhere.
I'm no fan of his, but these analogies in the MSM to Hitler, Putin and now Nixon are really pathetic.
Yes, because every week there is something else that shows he is incompetent. He just keeps outdoing himself. And no, I don't accept that he will fulfill his term. WE are living in too dangerous of a time to have someone this incompetent and reckless to be in the White House. This should offend every American. This is beyond politics.
Are you just numb to it all or you just don't care?
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This is the least active this board has been in the last 8 years...During a time when the white house is plagued with controversy.
Trump gives classified Intel to the Russians after he fires the head of the FBI who was in charge of investigating him for collusion with Russia and you think 2 threads started by Cern is too much? We should just cover our eyes and ignore what is happening? Ignore the lessons that history has taught us?
For someone that is not a fan of Trump, you are certainly A LOT more forgiving than you were of Obama... who you criticized on this board FAR more than Cern has criticized Trump.
yeah... This is totally normal... right?
http://www.newsweek.com/us-officials-warned-israel-not-share-sensitive-intel-trump-609782
http://www.newsweek.com/us-officials-warned-israel-not-share-sensitive-intel-trump-609782
It offends me that both parties have failed us and couldn't come up with candidates that were fit to be President. It also offends me that the MSM has gone off the rails and accurate reporting has left the building. He's our President and I'm trying to be objective both good and bad. He does stuff which makes me shake my head, but I also am smart enough to realize he has pissed a lot of people off (rightly and wrongly) so I have to put my bull-shit filter on when I see what he is doing or read a "news" story.
Not covering my eyes, but you should check your partisan colored glasses. Both parties hated Comey and please tell me you thought he was doing a great job leading the FBI. How does his firing impede the collusion investigations especially if you consider some of the candidates for taking Comey's place?
Obama had a lot to criticize in 8 years. Let's be honest here. Obama and Congress' inaction and poor leadership spawned Trump. I've been critical of Trump on several issues in other threads, and it's only four months in, so check your glasses again.
How do you know who to believe?
What are some of the other news sources you use and admire?
Don't confuse quantity with quality. Sure there's a lot available, but you have to de-spin it.
I look for facts and have a basic understanding of what an opinion might look like
Fact - The President met with the Russian Ambassador.(Multiple sources)
Fact - The President divulged information to the Ambassador as it relates to airline security and ISIS (Source - The President's Twitter account)
Possible Fact - The information is classified in a way that divulging it compromises the source.
Opinion - This is bad, or not a big deal.
Fact - The President met with the Russian Ambassador.(Multiple sources)
Fact - The President divulged information to the Ambassador as it relates to airline security and ISIS (Source - The President's Twitter account)
Possible Fact - The information is classified in a way that divulging it compromises the source.
Opinion - This is bad, or not a big deal.
I have never seen a president so brazenly attacked by the media day after day as much than this one. The media is out of control and out to get this president.
Is he perfect? Absolutely not. He's been quite average to date in my view, some great things, some poor. But the agenda of the mainstream media is insane. Everything this guy does is criticized or blown out of proportion, often unnecessarily.
When a major newspaper has "Democracy Dies in Darkness" plastered across its website, it's almost impossible to take them seriously. I mean, they aren't even afraid to reveal their agenda anymore. Absurd.
Is he perfect? Absolutely not. He's been quite average to date in my view, some great things, some poor. But the agenda of the mainstream media is insane. Everything this guy does is criticized or blown out of proportion, often unnecessarily.
When a major newspaper has "Democracy Dies in Darkness" plastered across its website, it's almost impossible to take them seriously. I mean, they aren't even afraid to reveal their agenda anymore. Absurd.
Take Comey's firing in context. Trump on the campaign hailed Comey's decision to reopen the investigation. Now he uses it as an excuse to fire him. When he took office, he did not ask Comey to resign. So what has changed from his inauguration to now? Hmm Russian Investigation? Now, you are right, the investigation will continue, but the firing of Comey has a possible chilling effect on any agents who are doing the investigation. Hey, your boss got fired, what do you think the President will do to you?
I think Comey is a good man but his decision two weeks before the election to come out and say the FBI were reopening the investigation was particularly poor in light they had no idea what was in the emails. So is there an argument that Comey should have been fired, the answer is yes. But that is not the reason why Trump fired him. It is the motivation what is important behind the firing.
Honestly, I have no idea how Comey compares to his predecessors. I can't recall a time when I have seen the director of the FBI so often.That said, no I was not happy with the way he handled the Clinton investigation. I think he handed the election to Trump with his press conference, but found his reasoning to be fair, but the Comey firing had nothing to do with Clinton - It would have been done months ago if it was. Trump handled the firing incredibly poorly especially in the middle of an ongoing investigation.
I am fine with your criticisms of Obama... just thought it was odd that you were calling on Cern for having a couple posts about Trump when you were a fairly vocal critic here about Obama.
The attacks all come from self-inflicted wounds from Trump. Trump causes all his own issues. Trump needs to stop blaming the media and focus on the man in the mirror.
Beat me to it... you can't say the media has never reacted this way when the media has never had something like this to deal with.Trump is a man who proves to be extraordinarily unfit for the job every single day. The media is doing their job in reporting it.
By not doing so would normalize his behavior.
In pretty much every way I can think of. His twitter feed alone is incredibly disturbing. It shows he lacks the character needed. Can't wait to see how the history books show his use of twitter.
His press conferences he has had with other leaders of the free world show that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about on any issue outside of the words, "big", "huge", "not good" etc... Granted I am not a fan of his, but I don't know how you could not be embarrassed as an American if you watched his conference with Netanyahu or Merkel.
How he handled Flynn
How he handled Comey and subsequently threatening Comey on twitter..
You think any of his antics show the character of someone that is fit to lead?
What is the definition of being "fit to lead" or "fit for the job?"
A lot of your post seems to indicate you disagreed with the way he handled certain moments. You may not like that, but you must recognize that it's your opinion that he is "unfit" for the job. Many millions of Americans would disagree with you.
A lot of your post seems to indicate you disagreed with the way he handled certain moments. You may not like that, but you must recognize that it's your opinion that he is "unfit" for the job. Many millions of Americans would disagree with you.
Fitness relates the qualities we expect from a President as being the leader of the free world. Judgement, temperament, knowledge etc... and yes while I disagree with him on almost everything - doing his best imitation of a petulant child with his twitter rants shows he lacks the temperament and has incredibly poor judgement.
I understand that many millions of Americans disagree with me, but I am happy to see that more and more are waking up to his nonsense and his approval ratings continue to decline.
and then there is disclosing classified info to Russia -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...the-russia-leak-story/?utm_term=.82e583cfed8b
Read that timeline. This doesn't happen with someone who understands that there is stuff that they are not allowed to say. Trump has no idea what he is doing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/white-house-staff.html?_r=2
"There is a fear among some of Mr. Trump’s senior advisers about leaving him alone in meetings with foreign leaders out of concern he might speak out of turn. General McMaster, in particular, has tried to insert caveats or gentle corrections into conversations when he believes the president is straying off topic or onto boggy diplomatic ground."
"In private, three administration officials conceded that they could not publicly articulate their most compelling — and honest — defense of the president: that Mr. Trump, a hasty and indifferent reader of printed briefing materials, simply did not possess the interest or knowledge of the granular details of intelligence gathering to leak specific sources and methods of intelligence gathering that would do harm to United States allies."
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Good news, Putin has a transcript of the Russian meeting. Good to know he has Trump's back. Now I am mildly nauseous that Russia has a transcript and we do not. Seems odd to me.
Isn't it great that the Russians had a recording device inside the Oval Office? What a great idea!
This could be the thing that brings him down, terrible if true.
Can't stand the sanctimonious behavior of the Dems/liberals who looked the other way on all of Obama's scandals and the Repubs/conservatives who look the other way now.
The memo on its own is not going to prove obstruction of justice. Trump casually and privately asked for help. Comey documented the event. If in Comey's mind there was clear and undeniable intent to end the investigation on Flynn (I am ordering you to stop the investigation!) the FBI director had no choice but to report that somewhere (elsewhere in the FBI or maybe Congress; I don't know the mechanism).
Assuming that did not happen, there is no obstruction. Comey's subsequent firing in addition to the memo is more problematic but there is no direct line of obstruction.
Assuming that did not happen, there is no obstruction. Comey's subsequent firing in addition to the memo is more problematic but there is no direct line of obstruction.
I tend to agree. Can't wait to see Comey testifying under oath, because that is coming at some point. Until then, this is another "breaking story" that is giving the MSM and politicians to beat like a dead horse.
I think what will happen is that at the time Trump made that statement, Comey certainly thought it was inappropriate for Trump to make that comment. That is why he documented it. However, he was not sure if it crossed the line into obstruction. However, when followed by Trump firing Comey, that reeks of obstruction. Clearly, Trump's own words will come back to haunt him in that he decided to fire Comey before the memo from the acting AG. I agree this is no slam dunk of an obstruction charge. However, this absolutely stinks of it. I can't see how he will be able to effectively govern after this.
In this case, I happen to think we are lucky the mainstream media and politicians are on this case.
The story is simple- there are allegations that a memo or memos exist which may indicate the President was trying to subtly or overtly influence the FBI director. Perhaps this pattern will rise to the level of obstruction; at this point it is too early to tell.
However, the solution is straight forward. Subpoena the memos and release them. While we are at it we should subpoena the White House tapes, assuming they exist and release those (at least to Congress).
It can be fairly easy to set the record straight.
And the NYT is already setting the table for Pence's castigation, with an article the other day, saying that Trump isn't the problem with Republicans, Pence is! This is going to be a 24/7 operation until the next election, with every stop pulled, to assist in a Democratic sweep. Look at the reception Bret Stephens, well-respected conservative writer (and no fan of Trump) got, with his first editorial.
I'm going to respectively disagree that we were "lucky" the NYT/MSM jumped on this. Comey was going to be called to testify and whatever is there was going to come out soon enough. Trump created enemies with the MSM and Intelligence community during the campaign. Smart, because it helped to get him elected. Dumb, because those are two groups that have a lot of resources to retaliate. Too be honest, with all those people pissed off at him, I'm surprised that they haven't gotten anything on him yet, which makes me think he is cleaner than anyone is giving him credit. We will see though.
The MSM does continue to play right into his hand though because they can't help themselves. What happened to the 14 women the MSM paraded out on sexual harassment and advancement? Sharing intel with the Russians has been refuted. Their credibility continues to take hits.
Seems pretty binary to me though....now that there is someone credible leading the investigation, either Trump is found to have obstructed (or worse) and Pence is up or Trump is cleared and we can hopefully move on.
This is what happens when nobody has credibility.
They have been on Trump's ass since Day 1. Worse than any I've ever seen.
I also do not believe Trump is cutout for this position, either in personality or experience. Thought so all during the campaign and surely now. He's attempting to run the government the same way he ran his private business. And all the bullying, bending, fast-talking, and BS that works with closing real estate deals doesn't work when dealing with government agencies designed to check and balance.
As such, I believe he probably did create some procedural gaffe with the Comey that will likely be found.
I also believe people in his campaign did know Russa was the source of the leaks; they were too entangled not to. Look at the people who served in that campaign from Manafort on down. If they didn't know anything, they must've been altar boys.
But for the liberals, they may have it worse with Pence.
They have been on Trump's ass since Day 1. Worse than any I've ever seen.
I also do not believe Trump is cutout for this position, either in personality or experience. Thought so all during the campaign and surely now. He's attempting to run the government the same way he ran his private business. And all the bullying, bending, fast-talking, and BS that works with closing real estate deals doesn't work when dealing with government agencies designed to check and balance.
As such, I believe he probably did create some procedural gaffe with the Comey that will likely be found.
I also believe people in his campaign did know Russa was the source of the leaks; they were too entangled not to. Look at the people who served in that campaign from Manafort on down. If they didn't know anything, they must've been altar boys.
But for the liberals, they may have it worse with Pence.
The media has been on Trump since day 1 all due to Trump's constant lying. As evidenced with his proclamation that it was the largest inauguration day crowd ever. I think you may be right that Pence ideologically would be more opposed to liberal ideology. But, that is unimportant. The country needs a stable and experienced leader. A person who won't embarrass the country and get us bogged down in scandal. Pence would be a welcomed change for the good of the country.
You would not have been that forgiving with Obama if his campaign had 18 undisclosed contacts with Russians during the campaign, after the Russians successfully influenced the election in his favor.
http://time.com/4783889/trump-russia-contacts-campaign/
The reason this is taking time is because they are thorough. This does not at all appear that it will end well for Trump. If there were not trails of breadcrumbs everywhere, it would have been over by now.
Refuted by the white house? lol. That was damage control.
The fact is that Trump said something in the meeting that made a WH official report it to the NSA and CIA. At best, this was Trump boasting about stuff he knows but has no idea that there some information is not to be shared. It is dangerous and will absolutely give our allies pause before they share information with us.
Indeed although I am not sure Pence walks away clean after this as well. Little doubt in my mind that all of them know about Russia helping them... only question is if we can prove collusion or not.
lol...
1-How is Obama relevant to the conversation?
2-Did I not say if the find something than let the chips fall where they may? You have to admit there has been a constant trail of "Breaking News" that has so far gone nowhere.
3-Wishful thinking with Pence being in on whatever their might be. Nothing but your partisan colored glasses that gives any indication.
Just pointing it out how partisan you are being. I'm sure you thought Hillary was "cleaner than anyone is giving her credit." because her investigations went on for so long too... right?
Not really. There have been a few items which have been breaking news related to the investigation and they will all likely play a roll in the conclusion.
Not really. It is based on the timeline. Pence was responsible for the transition team. He was in charge of vetting Flynn which they did. Pence ignored that Flynn was getting classified briefings while lobbying for a foreign interest. They ignored a warning from Yates as long as they could afford politically.... Still, I would prefer he be the president over Trump by quite a bit so I wouldn't be mad if it ended up being him.
