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A) officer somehow shoots a guy point blank because he forgot his gun wasnt a taser

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B) MSM needing to call out "black man" in its titles because it will cause a shit storm. why the need to bring race into it? isnt he just a man?

 
Media does this all the time when one's race should have nothing to do with it. All to generate clicks and get people riled up, which causes them to watch and consume more media. Vicious cycle.
 
shu09 said:
Media does this all the time when one's race should have nothing to do with it. All to generate clicks and get people riled up, which causes them to watch and consume more media. Vicious cycle.
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they even capitalized "Black"
 
NY Post once ran a headline headless body found in topless bar why couldnt they just say someone was found deceased at a club?
 
When is this crap going to stop? I thought once Trump was out of office this was going to change?
 
It is a tragic story all around and it appears to be a horrible mistake that the family and officer will have to live with forever. Just a horrible horrible mistake.
 
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The question will never be asked so I doubt we will get an answer but why did a taser even need to be used?
 
SHUHoopsFan said:
The question will never be asked so I doubt we will get an answer but why did a taser even need to be used?
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Because the now deceased was non compliant, had two outstanding misdemeanor violations and a court notice that may have gotten sent to the wrong residence on file.

Minnesota area has a police force execution problem.
 
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SHUHoopsFan said:
The question will never be asked so I doubt we will get an answer but why did a taser even need to be used?
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Looks like yet another uncooperative suspect. Amazing how people do not follow the commands of police. Just do that and most, if not all, of these incidents would have been avoided. George Floyd the notable exception as in my opinion that was murder.

Of course noted race-baiter Ben Crump is on the case now so we'll have to blow this tragic mistake out of proportion and the MSM will fan the flames.
 
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shu09 said:
Looks like yet another uncooperative suspect. Amazing how people do not follow the commands of police. Just do that and most, if not all, of these incidents would have been avoided. George Floyd the notable exception as in my opinion that was murder.

Of course noted race-baiter Ben Crump is on the case now so we'll have to blow this tragic mistake out of proportion and the MSM will fan the flames.
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Because Twitter is factual...

This is terrible for everyone involved. Don’t know all the facts. Two questions: Why did he ignore police and attempt to leave? How do you mistake a taser for a gun?
 
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HALL85 said:
Because Twitter is factual...

This is terrible for everyone involved. Don’t know all the facts. Two questions: Why did he ignore police and attempt to leave? How do you mistake a taser for a gun?
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Very sad and tragic. Big mistake on his part to resist arrest (words no one wants to use anymore because it's now another phrase that is politically incorrect but he certainly resisted). Bigger/huge/massive mistake on her part. How the hell do you mistake using a gun for a taser? In the city where George Floyd was killed and the Derek Chauvin trial is going on no less.

Policing is messy, it's just the fact of the matter and a massive mistake was made that can never be taken back. Her policing days are over and will have to endure a long trial I am sure that will probably go nowhere because how do you prosecute an error like that. If true that it was a mistake they were trying not to use deadly force with a taser. This will just create more unrest. His family has to live with losing him forever. Awful situation all around. The Minneapolis police force has got to get its shit together.
 
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Section112 said:
Very sad and tragic. Big mistake on his part to resist arrest (words no one wants to use anymore because it's now another phrase that is politically incorrect but he certainly resisted). Bigger/huge/massive mistake on her part. How the hell do you mistake using a gun for a taser? In the city where George Floyd was killed and the Derek Chauvin trial is going on no less.

Policing is messy, it's just the fact of the matter and a massive mistake was made that can never be taken back. Her policing days are over and will have to endure a long trial I am sure that will probably go nowhere because how do you prosecute an error like that. If true that it was a mistake they were trying not to use deadly force with a taser. This will just create more unrest. His family has to live with losing him forever. Awful situation all around. The Minneapolis police force has got to get its shit together.
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This is not minneapolis proper this was a municipality outside...look his fines were 346 dollars, presume he had expired or suspended tags and then the violation of hanging something from the rear view mirror...
 
HALL85 said:
Exactly. When is running from the police ever a good strategy?
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Very sad. Lack of respect. Things must change on both sides (rhetoric of different sides and us vs them must change too). Just another reason why SHU is extremely proud of Myles Cale, btw.
 
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what happened is tragic but at some point we have to address the issue of being respectful. If a person of any nationality robs me should I assume all people of that nationality are bad people? No. Should we fear all cops because a few are bad? No. Cops need to be respectful but so do the people they are dealing with. Nothing good comes out of it when either side is disrespectful. It’s time to stop blaming one side. Maybe we need to educate people in school something equivalent to the DARE for how to deal with a cop when he or she pulls you over.
 
Seems hard to believe but the officer did emphatically announce that she was going to taser him so she did think she had her taser in her hand.

And tasing is the right thing to do when someone is uncooperative like he was.

Just a tragic, tragic event for all involved.
 
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Yes, not good.

I did see that incident in VA with the army kid and the police were antagonistic and treated him with no respect when he complied, it usually seems non compliance sparks these events.
 
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HALL85 said:
Exactly. When is running from the police ever a good strategy?
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Does the person ever get away and is absolved of any violations against him/her?

This is awful, but geez can’t we program people to respect authority?

Shit, I get pulled over for speeding and my heart is racing and hands 10-2. Not that I’m afraid of being shot but look to start the interaction with the utmost respect. Generally, the best way of not ending his up with a ticket.
 
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Have to get back to teaching people on all sides that you give respect and you will get respect. There are bad cops and bad people out there and that will always be the case. If we can start treating all people with respect across the board it will help us and society. Hard to do it this world unfortunately.
 
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sami said:
Shit, I get pulled over for speeding and my heart is racing and hands 10-2. Not that I’m afraid of being shot but look to start the interaction with the utmost respect. Generally, the best way of not ending his up with a ticket.
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Personal accountability never enters the conversation. Instead we'll focus on cops and race for the next 2 weeks and ignore that a cop was put in a situation to have to use a taser in the first place.
 
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It seems like most in most towns/cities that don't have this type of issue, typically police are actively involved in getting introduced to students/schools at an early age. In addition, the community works in tandem with police. It sounds pretty basic, but amazing how many don't do this.
 
sami said:
Does the person ever get away and is absolved of any violations against him/her?

This is awful, but geez can’t we program people to respect authority?

Shit, I get pulled over for speeding and my heart is racing and hands 10-2. Not that I’m afraid of being shot but look to start the interaction with the utmost respect. Generally, the best way of not ending his up with a ticket.
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Nothing excuses unjustified lethal force and all scenarios involving police using unwarranted lethal force should be investigated and prosecuted accordingly.

I don't know what it is like to be African-American and encounter the police. But I do know that when I was a young kid attending school away from home, my parents taught me and my brothers to follow a general rule. Listen to whatever the police officer says -- irrespective of whether you think you did something wrong -- "yes sir, yes mam, no sir, no mam", get your hands on the wheel where the officer can see them, ask permission to do whatever he/she is asking you to do (can I reach into my glove compartment to get my registration/insurance, can I reach into my pocket to get my identification, my identification is in my console and I need to reach there to get it, etc). My parents point was not to do anything, anything, that might make the officer apprehensive. And especially when I was away at college, where the state troopers or local police offers didn't know who I was, and where I might be pulled over late at night on some highway or backroad. Their point was always to listen and do whatever was being asked, regardless of whether it was BS or not, and never do anything that can create an apprehensive situation and lead to mistakes.
 
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dehere23 said:
Nothing excuses unjustified lethal force and all scenarios involving police using unwarranted lethal force should be investigated and prosecuted accordingly.

I don't know what it is like to be African-American and encounter the police. But I do know that when I was a young kid attending school away from home, my parents taught me and my brothers to follow a general rule. Listen to whatever the police officer says -- irrespective of whether you think you did something wrong -- "yes sir, yes mam, no sir, no mam", get your hands on the wheel where the officer can see them, ask permission to do whatever he/she is asking you to do (can I reach into my glove compartment to get my registration/insurance, can I reach into my pocket to get my identification, my identification is in my console and I need to reach there to get it, etc). My parents point was not to do anything, anything, that might make the officer apprehensive. And especially when I was away at college, where the state troopers or local police offers didn't know who I was, and where I might be pulled over late at night on some highway or backroad. Their point was always to listen and do whatever was being asked, regardless of whether it was BS or not, and never do anything that can create an apprehensive situation and lead to mistakes.
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For me it all comes back to parenting. My parents raised me the same way, always be compliant if you're ever involved with a law enforcement officer. When you consider a lot of these folks come from broken homes or single parents struggling to make ends meet or no parents at all, we see the results. The breakdown of the family unit has consequences.

Municipalities could easily put together some sort of national ad or educational campaign to reach people and educate them on what to do when stopped by police officers. It could also be taught in school in civics/social studies or driver's ed courses.
 
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dehere23 said:
Nothing excuses unjustified lethal force and all scenarios involving police using unwarranted lethal force should be investigated and prosecuted accordingly.

I don't know what it is like to be African-American and encounter the police. But I do know that when I was a young kid attending school away from home, my parents taught me and my brothers to follow a general rule. Listen to whatever the police officer says -- irrespective of whether you think you did something wrong -- "yes sir, yes mam, no sir, no mam", get your hands on the wheel where the officer can see them, ask permission to do whatever he/she is asking you to do (can I reach into my glove compartment to get my registration/insurance, can I reach into my pocket to get my identification, my identification is in my console and I need to reach there to get it, etc). My parents point was not to do anything, anything, that might make the officer apprehensive. And especially when I was away at college, where the state troopers or local police offers didn't know who I was, and where I might be pulled over late at night on some highway or backroad. Their point was always to listen and do whatever was being asked, regardless of whether it was BS or not, and never do anything that can create an apprehensive situation and lead to mistakes.
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i think the only chink in that armor is that african americans know that if they listen theyll willingly waltz right into jail for legitimately no offense. thats an important peice of context to how this situation was built
 
SHUSA said:
i think the only chink in that armor is that african americans know that if they listen theyll willingly waltz right into jail for legitimately no offense. thats an important peice of context to how this situation was built
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This is absolutely BS. You make it sounds like every time an African American gets pulled over they go to jail. I'll be the number is less than 5% of African American's go to jail when pulled over and I'll bet when they do the overwhelming majority are going to jail for a reason.
 
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SHUHoopsFan said:
This is absolutely BS. You make it sounds like every time an African American gets pulled over they go to jail. I'll be the number is less than 5% of African American's go to jail when pulled over and I'll bet when they do the overwhelming majority are going to jail for a reason.
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no but there is far and away enough evidence for a person to have sitting in the back of their mind. your traffic stop experience is legitimately different and to argue that is BS. they have been treated differently by our police and legal system yet people are confused that they act differently. as one poster said above, theyre not even thinking rationally when a policeman pulls them over.

im not apologist or protester but im also not blind and ignorant. im also not making any excuses im simply giving explanation to why we are where we are. im not saying its right or wrong.

and of course an officer forgetting the trigger they pulled from point blank was a loaded GUN wont make things better. not a lot of words focused on that giant part of the story here. hmmm. again this board expects more from criminals and less from "trained" law inforcement taking an oath to serve and protect. everyone made their token acknowledgment so they can cross that box off before going to town on the dead kid.
 
dehere23 said:
Nothing excuses unjustified lethal force and all scenarios involving police using unwarranted lethal force should be investigated and prosecuted accordingly.

I don't know what it is like to be African-American and encounter the police. But I do know that when I was a young kid attending school away from home, my parents taught me and my brothers to follow a general rule. Listen to whatever the police officer says -- irrespective of whether you think you did something wrong -- "yes sir, yes mam, no sir, no mam", get your hands on the wheel where the officer can see them, ask permission to do whatever he/she is asking you to do (can I reach into my glove compartment to get my registration/insurance, can I reach into my pocket to get my identification, my identification is in my console and I need to reach there to get it, etc). My parents point was not to do anything, anything, that might make the officer apprehensive. And especially when I was away at college, where the state troopers or local police offers didn't know who I was, and where I might be pulled over late at night on some highway or backroad. Their point was always to listen and do whatever was being asked, regardless of whether it was BS or not, and never do anything that can create an apprehensive situation and lead to mistakes.
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isnt kinda bad that youre programmed to do whatever BS asked by the tough guys because youre so scared of then making a mistake? from a simple traffic stop.

does that part of the story not warrent a conversation? again im not saying dont comply, so dont memtion that in your answer.
 
SHUSA said:
no but there is far and away enough evidence for a person to have sitting in the back of their mind. your traffic stop experience is legitimately different and to argue that is BS. they have been treated differently by our police and legal system yet people are confused that they act differently. as one poster said above, theyre not even thinking rationally when a policeman pulls them over.

im not apologist or protester but im also not blind and ignorant. im also not making any excuses im simply giving explanation to why we are where we are. im not saying its right or wrong.

and of course an officer forgetting the trigger they pulled from point blank was a loaded GUN wont make things better. not a lot of words focused on that giant part of the story here. hmmm. again this board expects more from criminals and less from "trained" law inforcement taking an oath to serve and protect. everyone made their token acknowledgment so they can cross that box off before going to town on the dead kid.
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There haven been thousands of people pulled over in the last 3 months, what have we heard of any of them? It's in their minds because of horrible messaging. Trust me if there was something the media could put out on this topic, they would. They make big money on this stuff.
 
SHUHoopsFan said:
There haven been thousands of people pulled over in the last 3 months, what have we heard of any of them? It's in their minds because of horrible messaging. Trust me if there was something the media could put out on this topic, they would. They make big money on this stuff.
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they also are getting it from first hand accounts, family, friends, etc. i know i know you arent familiar with that world its very clear.
 
SHUSA said:
isnt kinda bad that youre programmed to do whatever BS asked by the tough guys because youre so scared of then making a mistake? from a simple traffic stop.

does that part of the story not warrent a conversation? again im not saying dont comply, so dont memtion that in your answer.
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He was subject arrest. Not that complicated. Cop resigned, as she should.
 
SHUSA said:
they also are getting it from first hand accounts, family, friends, etc. i know i know you arent familiar with that world its very clear.
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I coached baseball in Newark for 10 years. I know that world pretty well. But I'm glad you know everything about everything, it's very clear.
 
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SHUSA said:
isnt kinda bad that youre programmed to do whatever BS asked by the tough guys because youre so scared of then making a mistake? from a simple traffic stop.

does that part of the story not warrent a conversation? again im not saying dont comply, so dont memtion that in your answer.
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Not really programmed though. It’s a “best practice” if you will. No different than other best practices we employ in life. And it accounts for the tough job many police officers have. Especially those in bad areas or troopers assigned to major highways late at night.
 
SHUHoopsFan said:
I coached baseball in Newark for 10 years. I know that world pretty well. But I'm glad you know everything about everything, it's very clear.
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ok great so have this conversation with the families you coach. should be easy for you.
 
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