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NIT heading into the Big East Tournament
What's left and how I see it
- Thread starter Halldan1
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6-4
Total 18-3 11-9
NIT heading into the Big East Tournament
I don’t see wins at home against both Creighton and Xavier so I see 5-5, 17-14, 10-10 and disappointingly squarely in the NIT.
I would expect that most will agree with you and 10-10 will be the safe bet.
But I am going out on a limb and believe that the Hall will win both games in a close score.
In fact looking at the schedule I see only one sure loss in at UConn and 3 tough nail biters where the Hall will be dogs but can easily upset....at home vs Creighton & Xavier and at Providence.
That said we could also be upset ourselves.
But I am going out on a limb and believe that the Hall will win both games in a close score.
In fact looking at the schedule I see only one sure loss in at UConn and 3 tough nail biters where the Hall will be dogs but can easily upset....at home vs Creighton & Xavier and at Providence.
That said we could also be upset ourselves.
I think Halldan gave a very positive outlook and one that is possible as we have seen this team has beaten UConn, ST Johns, and RU so far which is very good and would make us very happy most years!
This team has had its up and downs as expected and has shown if it brings its "A" game they can beat anyone. So I remain optimistic too.
This team has had its up and downs as expected and has shown if it brings its "A" game they can beat anyone. So I remain optimistic too.
Fair. We will probably win one we shouldn't and lose at least one we shouldn't.
6-4 may be slightly optimistic but I could see us stealing a game at SJU or Nova this year and taking one of the two against Creighton and Xavier (but probably not Xavier)
I see 10-10 as well. Grouping the games like this:
@ Butler, @ SJU: 1-1
vs. DePaul, vs. Georgetown: 2-0
vs. Creighton, vs. Xavier: 1-1
Villanova (2x): 1-1
@ UConn, @ Prov: 0-2
@ Butler, @ SJU: 1-1
vs. DePaul, vs. Georgetown: 2-0
vs. Creighton, vs. Xavier: 1-1
Villanova (2x): 1-1
@ UConn, @ Prov: 0-2
3 Quad 1 games left as of today.
At UConn,
Home vs Creighton
At Providence
We only have one win vs any good teams in conference.
If we go 2 of 3 in these games will feel much better. For some reason I feel the home game vs Creighton will be our toughest remaining game🤣
At UConn,
Home vs Creighton
At Providence
We only have one win vs any good teams in conference.
If we go 2 of 3 in these games will feel much better. For some reason I feel the home game vs Creighton will be our toughest remaining game🤣
I think we need 8-2 (with 1 win in big East tourney) or 7-3 (with 2 wins in big east tourney) to have a solid chance at NCAA.
Our NET ranking would be soo much better if our huge losses were a hell of a lot closer but it is what it is, the analytics won’t do us any favors with a NET is 60s or 70s, will need to do super well in last 10-12 games.
Our NET ranking would be soo much better if our huge losses were a hell of a lot closer but it is what it is, the analytics won’t do us any favors with a NET is 60s or 70s, will need to do super well in last 10-12 games.
I’m in this church but a different pew as I see only 1 loss from groups 1 & 3 and have us at 17-13, 11-9 (subtracting the DII win).
17-14/10-10 (NIT) is my current expectation. Still an outside shot at the NCAAs. Also still an outside shot at a really bad season.
I’m going 6-4 assuming Richmond is 100%. I think we beat SJU and PC on the road. No Richmond, no chance.
Seems like the relative consensus is 6-4 if all key players (besides Yetna lol) are healthy. 18-13 final reg season record.
If that is the case, I only see a possible at large ncaa bid if we get to big east championship game. 21-14
If that is the case, I only see a possible at large ncaa bid if we get to big east championship game. 21-14
If we go 5 and 5, I don’t know if we can get in as an at large at all. I think we might actually need to win the big East tourney to get in.
Nope. Even at 6-4 I don't think we get in. Maybe if the bubble is weak and we are able to win against Xavier and at PC, we would have some nice quad 1 wins going for us but I think 7-3 is likely the minimum needed to be in the discussion.
Agree.
Do you think if we go 6 and 4 and then we win 3 games in big East tourney and lose and finals we are out?
Depends on the rest of the bubble but the committee doesn't usually place a lot of weight on conference tournaments, so I personally wouldn't love our chances if the bubble is competitive.
I don't see how we make it in to the dance with the way the team is constructed. At this point I want to see improvement and hope for next year...something to build on. We are winning the games we were supposed to win (except for Siena), but it's not been pretty. The turnovers, FT and 3ptFG pct. have been the Achilles of this team, but maybe the experts had this all baked into the cake.
Well, we were picked to finish 7th in the conference and pretty much everyone not on this board thought it would be a stretch for this team to make the tournament (even with yetna). So I’d say a 17-14 (10-10) season would be pretty in line with expectations.
This season is by no means over yet, but if you want to have some optimism for the future, everyone on our roster with the exception of Jamir Harris & Ndefo has the option to return next season. If Sha can convince the key players to stay and bolster some weak spots with good portal players, we’d be a tournament team on paper at least.
Question is whether other teams with better NIL want to bolster their roster with our guys.
Don’t think we have to worry about that too much with this current roster. Richmond, Dawes, Davis, and Odukale have all already used their 1 time free transfer - meaning they would have to sit for a season if they transferred again.
The only significant player who still has the option of his Covid year and could transfer and play immediately if he wanted to us tryese, but I don’t see that as very likely. Either he uses his Covid year with SHU or goes pro imo.
Earl TImberlake has transferred twice and got around sitting out. There are ways around it.
No disagreement there. We were a borderline NCAA team WITH Yetna.
Too many question marks. Samuel is really the only player that has made a significant change in his game this year and add KC as he moved up in class. If you look at everyone else, their stats and/or game is either the same or worse. (Freshmen excluded)
True, I’m a big believer in the sum being greater than the total of its parts though.
Given an entire offseason to practice and gel together, we’ll see a significant increase in the team chemistry. Not to mention the individual performances of guys like Kadary and Dawes - skilled players who just need to fine tune their game and play within themselves.
Many believe that the new ncaa two time transfer rule will be a minimal deterrent at the end of the day especially if significant NIL money is involved at new school.
A better deterrent to a 2nd transfer will be paying our current roster more NIL, haha.
We lost our entire starting lineup from last years NCAA team ie Ike,Yetna,Rhoden,Cale and Aiken.Thats a lot to lose and KW jumped ship recognizing that.Finishing 10-10 in the Big East is a good year given what Sha has to work with.We have to be realistic.NIT this year.Hopefully,Sha uses his magic to get us to NCAA next year.
We also returned 4 players who started at one point last year and added 4 starters from either high majors or an Elite 8 team. No woe is me here.
I am usually not the most optimistic person, and not just in regards to Seton Hall basketball, but, assuming the Injury Gods leave us alone, I think we play our best basketball down the stretch.
Despite the ugly loss on Saturday, the team has generally been getting better. Before the conference schedule started, I had my doubts we would be anything but bottom feeders, but we are showing we can hold our own in the conference - again, if healthy. Absolutely nowhere close to top tier in the conference, but the ship is proving to be more or less seaworthy.
Call me crazy, but I say 7-3 to close out - I definitely don't like our chances against UConn and Creighton - to end up at 19-12. One win in the conference tournament will put us at 20-13 on Selection Sunday.
We'll end up in the dreaded 8/9 matchup, but this year we will be all too grateful just to be there.
Despite the ugly loss on Saturday, the team has generally been getting better. Before the conference schedule started, I had my doubts we would be anything but bottom feeders, but we are showing we can hold our own in the conference - again, if healthy. Absolutely nowhere close to top tier in the conference, but the ship is proving to be more or less seaworthy.
Call me crazy, but I say 7-3 to close out - I definitely don't like our chances against UConn and Creighton - to end up at 19-12. One win in the conference tournament will put us at 20-13 on Selection Sunday.
We'll end up in the dreaded 8/9 matchup, but this year we will be all too grateful just to be there.
I see a split with either Creighton or Xavier, and a possible with at Johnnies or Providence.
Doubt we'd be in an 8/9 NCAA game under your scenario. Likely to be a double digit seed, possibly a First Four team.
12-8 in the BE could still mean a six seed and a Wednesday night game with Georgetown -- a win that will do absolutely nothing for our resume. In that case, we might need two wins and the juice that would come by beating the three seed on Thursday.
These next two are both winnable BUT:
A) Butler: Either SHU will be completely on point or you will see the unfocused group we witnessed against Marquette. Don’t see the middle ground in this game. This needs to be put in the win column. Sha better have them ready.
B) SJU: This is a big swing game. Should SJU continue their downward trajectory it might help SHU slightly. Either way they will be desperate for the win. Carnesecca Arena is tough and their students view it as a rivalry game. The 8:30 start may prevent a strong SHU fan contingent from attending. Get to 7-5 and we are back on track.
Right now, I'd say the wins will be @ Butler, DePaul, GTown, Villanova and Xavier. The losses will be @UConn and @Providence.
So, my three swing games are @SJU, Creighton and @Villanova. Best formula is to win out the home games and win 2 out of 5 on the road. Nothing is guaranteed and we shall see. Go get Butler.
A) Butler: Either SHU will be completely on point or you will see the unfocused group we witnessed against Marquette. Don’t see the middle ground in this game. This needs to be put in the win column. Sha better have them ready.
B) SJU: This is a big swing game. Should SJU continue their downward trajectory it might help SHU slightly. Either way they will be desperate for the win. Carnesecca Arena is tough and their students view it as a rivalry game. The 8:30 start may prevent a strong SHU fan contingent from attending. Get to 7-5 and we are back on track.
Right now, I'd say the wins will be @ Butler, DePaul, GTown, Villanova and Xavier. The losses will be @UConn and @Providence.
So, my three swing games are @SJU, Creighton and @Villanova. Best formula is to win out the home games and win 2 out of 5 on the road. Nothing is guaranteed and we shall see. Go get Butler.
Agreed about the next two being must wins to get back on track, and I’d also ad the home game against DePaul as a must win to get to 8-5. Losing that game hangs an albatross across the resume that will be near impossible to overcome.
I"d put good money on Seton Hall getting in if it gets to 12-8 in the league. Strong SOS, a handful of quality wins, only one or two bad losses. Weak landscape nationally too.
That said, I don't think Seton Hall gets to 12-8.
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