Where are the South Orange Police?

[400SOAVE]

Click on the link and read the nauseating and embarrassing thread from Isaiah Whitehead's Twitter.

Assuming it's genuine and not a set-up from opposition recruiters, this is possibly the worst PR SHU can have. The original message appears to come from an SHU freshman.

Where are the South Orange police? WHERE ARE THEY? WHAT IS SHU DOING ABOUT IT?

I'm going to say it again: SHU should not pay one cent to South Orange unless they're legally obligated.

Use the money to hire your own police who will do the job- protecting students. And sue South Orange for lack of protection.

Perhaps if the village was not so busy counting the money they make from giving tickets, they would have time to patrol the streets, making their presence felt.

This post was edited on 10/5 5:59 PM by 400SOAVE

http://twitter.com/Isaiah_W15/status/383447270492209152

 

[jimmyd36]

True...

http://southorange.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/two-seton-hall-students-robbed-at-gunpoint

 

[JMM13]

Why is anyone shocked? It's not like this us an every day occurrence but certainly not new. It's unfortunate, but this is not the only place crap like this happens.

 

[jim34238]

Every school, including ND, Harvard & Yale have their share of rapes & robberies. It's unfortunate, but we are not unique.

 

[SHUPirate08]

The kid is from Brooklyn, is he that much if a stranger to urban crime? That being said, it is totally unacceptable the way SHU students are basically sitting ducks for crime.

 

[HallLine69]

Originally posted by 400SOAVE:
Click on the link and read the nauseating and embarrassing thread from Isaiah Whitehead's Twitter.

Assuming it's genuine and not a set-up from opposition recruiters, this is possibly the worst PR SHU can have. The original message appears to come from an SHU freshman.

Where are the South Orange police? WHERE ARE THEY? WHAT IS SHU DOING ABOUT IT?

I'm going to say it again: SHU should not pay one cent to South Orange unless they're legally obligated.

Use the money to hire your own police who will do the job- protecting students. And sue South Orange for lack of protection.

Perhaps if the village was not so busy counting the money they make from giving tickets, they would have time to patrol the streets, making their presence felt.

This post was edited on 10/5 5:59 PM by 400SOAVE

You expect the cops to be on every street corner at all times? Please, let's not be ridiculous. There's plenty to legitimately complain about when it comes to the Village of South Orange. But the cops can't be everywhere at all times.

 

[400SOAVE]

So the cops can't be in every corner? Hmm.

They sure are there at every corner every time a Seton Hall student even looks (or parks) the wrong way.

I'm sure everybody on this board would change their tune and express great outrage if it was your son or daughter who was mugged at gunpoint.

What if it was in your neighborhood?

What's it going to take to stop these incidents that have been going on for years? What's it going to take for a crackdown? Are they going to wait for a tragedy?

 

[shu09]

Police can't be everywhere. Unfortunate but you can only do so much without turning America into a police state. Some would say we're already there.

 

[Thehall90]

These are real. The kids now are connected 24/7 to these alerts to help them out with safety on and off campus. Whether it's Irvington, Newark or SO -

No different then any other school - except....

Just probably that we are far ahead by texting each student and advising them of real time crime. We are ranked in the Top 10 for "Best Connected" school in the country (US NEWS) by being internet, twitter, email and electronically connected to our students in and out of the classroom.

It is what it is.

 

[The SHUttle]

My friend was robbed at gunpoint the night before our graduation. I'm not a fan of the South Orange police, but there's only so much they can do about bordering Newark and East Orange.

 

[400SOAVE]

I just want to make one last point here.

You don't have to have a doctorate in criminal justice to know that some police departments are very good, while others... well, others suck. And they don't have to be corrupt to be bad. Sometimes it's a management issue.

Some chiefs have much higher expectations than others. That's just a fact. (I'm not commenting specifically about the SO chief.)

According to the linked news report, on average each SO cop called in sick 12 times in 2011 for a total of 599 sick days. That's very high. That's a huge amount of missed patrol time.

Allocation of personnel and daily communication is a big deal. You need to have police on duty and patrolling at the times and locations where crime is happening. That's how NYC was able to sharply decrease crime over the last 20 years.

Has any reporter asked how many day v. night patrols are running, especially on the weekends when more crime occurs? In the case of SHU, it may be more important to have more police during the 8-4 and 4-midnight shifts?

Even local departments create task forces- even if only temporary- to address a specific problem. If the SOPD has never teamed up with the closest precincts from Newark, Irvington and Orange, then they're not doing their job. It's not uncommon to team up with departments that border your town. (Perhaps they have. I wish a reporter would ask.)

After so many years, what is the SOPD doing about this?

It does not help SHU students that the local PBA is at war with the SO trustees. The issue? Saving money by not replacing cops.

http://www.southorangepba.com/page.php?qs1=mifrun9753115303

Let's not worry so much about PR. Let's ask some tough and legitimate questions? I wish there was a local reporter who asks questions.



http://healternativepress.com/articles/report-south-orange-police-dept-could-be-leane

 

[SHUFAN_20]

Originally posted by 400SOAVE:
I just want to make one last point here.

You don't have to have a doctorate in criminal justice to know that some police departments are very good, while others... well, others suck. And they don't have to be corrupt to be bad. Sometimes it's a management issue.

Some chiefs have much higher expectations than others. That's just a fact. (I'm not commenting specifically about the SO chief.)

According to the linked news report, on average each SO cop called in sick 12 times in 2011 for a total of 599 sick days. That's very high. That's a huge amount of missed patrol time.

Allocation of personnel and daily communication is a big deal. You need to have police on duty and patrolling at the times and locations where crime is happening. That's how NYC was able to sharply decrease crime over the last 20 years.

Has any reporter asked how many day v. night patrols are running, especially on the weekends when more crime occurs? In the case of SHU, it may be more important to have more police during the 8-4 and 4-midnight shifts?

Even local departments create task forces- even if only temporary- to address a specific problem. If the SOPD has never teamed up with the closest precincts from Newark, Irvington and Orange, then they're not doing their job. It's not uncommon to team up with departments that border your town. (Perhaps they have. I wish a reporter would ask.)

After so many years, what is the SOPD doing about this?

It does not help SHU students that the local PBA is at war with the SO trustees. The issue? Saving money by not replacing cops.

http://www.southorangepba.com/page.php?qs1=mifrun9753115303

Let's not worry so much about PR. Let's ask some tough and legitimate questions? I wish there was a local reporter who asks questions.

Your vitriol is so misdirected. You are bashing the SOPD without having any facts, admittedly. Instead of posting all of this info on a SHU message board and then asking what is the SOPD doing about this, why don't you just email the police chief and ask. or email the Mayor Torpey and ask. Or even email a reporter and ask for an investigation. No one can do anyhting about your supposed concerns here

 

[Shuathelete]

cops are too busy shutting down parties instead of actually protecting people. Yea they cant be everywhere, but did you guys happen to look where this occurred? It was a weekend and every weekend there is a police officer sitting in the ward gate entrance looking DIRECTLY AT THIS EXACT INTERSECTION. Literally like 100ft away. Their attention is always on students who are trying to party.

Whitehead wont care about this at all

 

[Old_alum]

ShuFan20

I read no vitriol at all in 400SoOrange Ave's post, just solid observations and suggestions.

He made good suggestions on what to ask just as you made some about who and how to ask.

Vanderbilt U in Nashville has an internal crime report about rapes an assaults not infrequently ON its campus! I am rather confident if not sure that virtually all urban colleges have this problem.

Publicity is a first step Towards acknowledgement which leads to outrage which leads to action.

Good management is a huge help

 

[jcalz88]

Hell, Yale currently has a student who is taking shits in the laundry machines around campus. He recently hung shit covered clothing on their green.

 

[Section112]

This is a good discussion and more needs to be done to protect SHU students. I hope the University is all over this because its SHU's reputation that is taking the real hit and not the SO cops. If SHU has to hire more officers, do more to work with the SO police and do more to educate its students to try and avoid these situations, then so be it. It would be money well spent by the university.

 

[AFRPIRATE]

Check out the safe ride van article on the Seton Hall main web site.

 

[jcalz88]

Students are not going to call the "Safe ride Van" just like professional football players do not call there league appointed drivers when they are drinking...

 

[AFRPIRATE]

jcalz, for a young guy you are so negative. I hope I meet you at the pizza practice. I called you out on the school rankings issue and asked you to read the appropriate publications. On the SHU site, the safe van, this semester had 4,270 requests, 852 in the last week. It operates from 6 pm to 3 am. Rutgers had an escort service called green lanterns. I don't know if it still does.

 

[jcalz88]

I just say it like I see it, I know i would not call for a van and wait neither would my friends when we were in college. I was under the impression it was not being used, but your stats show a different story. Touche sir! I will be at the pizza party, so make sure to ask around as a few of the guys on this board will be able to point me out. Just don't trust SPK!

 

[Shuathelete]

@AFR the school has a deal with the police and hand over every address the students request to go. Never took the safe ride because of it. The number of 852 in one week sounds pretty exaggerated.

 

[400SOAVE]

Thank you, Old_alum.

I though that "vitriol" did not fit my comments.

There's no doubt that every university faces a certain amount of crime. No campus is perfect.

That does not mean the issue should not be addressed, nor should we ever accept any amount of crime as normal.

 

[Halldan1]

This is a quality debate. But one better suited for our non sports board.

I'll leave this up for a while so those that want to continue to add to the thread know where to find it, but then it will be moved to the Off the Ship board for further discussion.

 

[shu09]

Originally posted by jcalz88:
Students are not going to call the "Safe ride Van" just like professional football players do not call there league appointed drivers when they are drinking...

Then they're setting themselves up for trouble. They are then assuming the risk.

 

[Flnj86]

This is a basketball message board, glad it is being moved Dan.

 

[jcalz88]

I had my car so i really had no issues. Though I was the victim in an attempted robbery on the night of my 21st b day on valley street. Did not work out to well for the would be robber!

 

[Pirate6711]

Originally posted by shu09:

Originally posted by jcalz88:
Students are not going to call the "Safe ride Van" just like professional football players do not call there league appointed drivers when they are drinking...

Then they're setting themselves up for trouble. They are then assuming the risk.

Exactly. Services are being offered and advertised to students. If the students choose not to use the services, then the fault lies on them, not the school. The school and the cops cannot hold the hands of every student 24/7.

 

[Shuathelete]

NO NO NO NO. First off, the safe ride isnt always time conducive and sometimes its a long wait. And as I stated before, alot of students know its tracked by the cops. Lets take the safe ride to a party just to have it busted because of the safe ride!

Its SUCH a weak excuse to say "well we offer them a service its their fault they get mugged." how about stopping a mugger at least once? The police should be patrolling at night and trust me there are plenty of officers who show up to bust parties that could stick to patrolling real threats that would prevent the real problems (oh wait I forgot you cant make money that way).

"The school and the cops cannot hold the hands of every student 24/7."

Get out of here

 

[HALL85]

Originally posted by Shuathelete:
NO NO NO NO. First off, the safe ride isnt always time conducive and sometimes its a long wait. And as I stated before, alot of students know its tracked by the cops. Lets take the safe ride to a party just to have it busted because of the safe ride!

Its SUCH a weak excuse to say "well we offer them a service its their fault they get mugged." how about stopping a mugger at least once? The police should be patrolling at night and trust me there are plenty of officers who show up to bust parties that could stick to patrolling real threats that would prevent the real problems (oh wait I forgot you cant make money that way).

"The school and the cops cannot hold the hands of every student 24/7."

Get out of here

Sorry, I don't buy that. Define a long wait? Secondly, if the cops know addresses, isn't that a good thing? Do you think they'll bust parties arbitrarily just because they have addresses or maybe they'll just do a more precise job of drive-bys so that they're staying on top of parties that might be getting out of control or I don't know, at least know where a crime might be committed in advance? I would call that patrolling more efficiently.

So if the safe ride isn't "conducive", be responsible and make plans to walk with a group of friends rather than alone. We need to stop making it someone else's responsibility all the time.

 

[Section112]

As a parent of college kids Safe Ride is a great idea. Its just a bad idea that kids don't use it enough. These are part of the services your tuition pays for - use them.

 

[Shuathelete]

HALL85 thats IS the responsibility of the police... thats why we have police...

And no you are wrong. The police dont use that info to make it safer they use it to bust parties and get $100-$200 for every noise violation they write. Clearly they have no idea where crimes might be committed and yea, i know its hard, but its pretty clear the police's priority. If they really cared about keeping things safe they would try out for a force in newark or a city. Theyre new jersey suburb cops, anybody from bergen? Nj cops arent exactly the most righteous people (stereotype i know). I could go on and on about this.

But to say we shouldnt be making it the POLICE's responsibility to keep us safe is asinine.

Where are the south orange police? They are out making sure they can bust college students.

 

[shu09]

That is also part of their job. I'm glad they take an aggressive stance against out of control parties.

 

[HALL85]

I didn't say the police didn't have the responsibility, but to put the entire responsibility on them to be safe with no personal responsibility is as you say...asinine!!!

 

[shu09]

It's sad what society has become. We now live in an age where there is no accountability, no personal responsibility and very little common decency. So many people are entitled and always looking for someone to blame instead of taking responsibility for themselves. People also get "offended" by the smallest things these days.

Obviously my post touches on a much broader subject but I really fear for the future of our society, especially as a young person who will have to live with it for the rest of my life.

 

[JMM13]

I wish that the SO Police would be as aggresive in enforcing the parking / traffic laws / signs on Sloan Street as they are with SHU students.Ever try to make a "quick" stop in downtown SO when a train is comig in?

 

[donnie_baseball]

09. I almost got.choked up. You are a quick study since your graduation. You have come a long way!

 

[jcalz88]

"That is also part of their job. I'm glad they take an aggressive stance against out of control parties" their are no out of control parties. They bust everything and everyone, i once had four friends over for football and we got a noise violation. That is all the SOPD does on a thurs/fri night they spot kids walking into a home and without even a phone call or complaint walk up and start to write tickets.

 

[Shuathelete]

jcalz knows. I had a friend who got a ticket for playing guitar hero too loud, by himself, in his underwear. I knew kids that lived on the top part of a split house and got tickets for the party below them, and they were in bed. Police dont care its all about that $$. Theres no money in keeping people safe.