With Gibbs and Sina still in the picture?
Better, worse, the same.
My take: Addition by subtraction.
Better, worse, the same.
My take: Addition by subtraction.
Where Would This Team Be . . .
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Sina should not have started during Big East play and should have sat a lot more than he did. Because he is gone Desi gets to play his natural position and Ish gets to play. Both are better than Sina. Gibbs and Whitehead at the point is more of a wash. I agree with bluemoments, addition by subtraction.
True but IW is still learning the PG position, getting better with every game though. That's why for me it was more of a wash. That said, it's still addition by subtraction at this point and I think in the end we'll finish up better this season than last year.
With them on the team you see less Khadeen and Gordon so that would not be good. While I'm not happy with how things went down last year it's now this year and we should not be thinking about stuff like this. I'm happy rooting for our current players and am not concerned about the guys that left. I've moved on.
I don't care about those guys because they are not here.......
No one cares---or should care--- about Gibbs or Sina, or about "the Gibbs family" or "the Sina family."
If there presence at the Hall would mean that Gordon or Carrington would play less, then their presence would be a huge negative. UCONN can't beat Houston, Tulsa, and Temple with Gibbs. Sina will be slow and over matched in the A-10. Wish them no ill will, but glad each is else where.
I would say about the same right now. If they were here we would not be as good on D but better offensively. If the players learned how to play to each other's strengths and accepted their role for the sake of the team (fairly unlikely) I think we could have been pretty good...
Gibbs and Sina are no longer part of this team as they each have transferred to another school and it achieves nothing by criticizing them or their decision. Wouldn't we think that criticism of DG by the UMass or JT by the KState fans was unfair just because they left and transferred to SH? Transfers are a way of life in college BB and if a SH player makes a decision to transfer lets just wish him well and move on.
Everyone can get their shots in on both kids now. That's fine and somewhat warranted honestly. I could care less that Sina is gone. I'm glad we tried to make it work with him & he certainly seemed like a kid that could blossom based on how he was in HS, but it became obvious last season that the kid was not getting it done. And if you quit like a little baby in the middle of the season like that, don't expect much sympathy from the fans.
But I don't think you can honestly say you don't wish Gibbs was still here. That kid was as clutch a scorer as we've ever had. He became a monster scorer in just one off-season. Did his shit attitude, temper and lack of defense suck? Oh you bet it did. But if he could've been reigned in, grew up as a senior and learned to play nice with IW & KC, wouldn't that be an absolutely monster backcourt alongside Gordon as well? You bet it would. Maybe that reigning in I speak of is a pipe dream, but I would rather have as much talent on the team than not. We only have 3 guards that play. Soffer is obviously not ready at all (can't believe he didn't transfer yet honestly...maybe he's waiting to see if Powell is 100% coming here). I've said it a million times....we're one injury away from wishing Gibbs was still with the team.
But I don't think you can honestly say you don't wish Gibbs was still here. That kid was as clutch a scorer as we've ever had. He became a monster scorer in just one off-season. Did his shit attitude, temper and lack of defense suck? Oh you bet it did. But if he could've been reigned in, grew up as a senior and learned to play nice with IW & KC, wouldn't that be an absolutely monster backcourt alongside Gordon as well? You bet it would. Maybe that reigning in I speak of is a pipe dream, but I would rather have as much talent on the team than not. We only have 3 guards that play. Soffer is obviously not ready at all (can't believe he didn't transfer yet honestly...maybe he's waiting to see if Powell is 100% coming here). I've said it a million times....we're one injury away from wishing Gibbs was still with the team.
Yea but Gibbs clearly is not a team player. If it could all work out i think everyone would want him here. I just dont htink anybody believes it would work out. Some of it is him, some of its willard, some of it is what it is.
Good thing is that Desi can play 2G in a pinch. veer and Sanogo move to 3. Nzei at 4.
Every team is basically one injury away from falling apart. It would be fine if the kid on the bench could play this year. But of course he cant lol.
My goodness, this thread is nauseating. The lengths people will go to trash people who gave Seton Hall their best efforts. Bad rubbish? Really? That's what were going with? For getting chased off their own team? People will accept anything because you win a few basketball games, huh?
Par for the course. The idea that a team without Gibbs is a better one is idiotic. That presumes that the kiddies could've played with him (or that their locker room henchman could've been a professional), but let's not put that all on him. From a talent point of view, the loss of Sina has no real impact, but there's still no reason to call him trash.
What an ugly thread this is... And to serve what purpose? Geez...
If you want to play 'me' ball instead of 'we' ball and your teammates aren't thrilled with your decision so you decide to leave I guess you could call it getting chased off your own team if you want. Sina quit in the middle of the season, to me he is clearly not a team player. Gibbs was his buddy and wanted to stand by him I guess but much to his own detriment. Doesn't mean that either guy isn't a great person away from the game or that I wish I'll will on either of them. That said, I root for the guys who stayed, want to be Pirates and want to represent Seton Hall. Pining for guys who turned their back on us is not my style. I'll stick with the guys who stuck with us.
this thread has run its course... hypotheticals like this can go off in too many unintended directions
No it's not. It's a perfectly reasonable opinion and the record and results to date this year prove it's probably the right opinion. You're a good poster. No need to insult legitimate opinions.
I believe your view is clouded by what happened last year and your dislike for the coach. But your opinion is also valid and can be defended so I'm not going to call it idiotic. You're entitled to it, just as those who disagree are entitled to theirs.
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Better without Gibbs:
1. Gordon would not fit playing as well as he does now.
2. Had to be a conflict between him and I.W...not blaming one or the other.
3. K.C. and D.G.. would be playing less.
4. Rebounding is better without him.
5. Team unity is better.
6. I.W. knows K.C. and D.R. and play better together.
7. Easier for Willard to coach.
Better with Gibbs:
1. Better offense with him and his three point shooting.
2. Good with the last possession.
I believe we have a better team with out Gibbs
1. Gordon would not fit playing as well as he does now.
2. Had to be a conflict between him and I.W...not blaming one or the other.
3. K.C. and D.G.. would be playing less.
4. Rebounding is better without him.
5. Team unity is better.
6. I.W. knows K.C. and D.R. and play better together.
7. Easier for Willard to coach.
Better with Gibbs:
1. Better offense with him and his three point shooting.
2. Good with the last possession.
I believe we have a better team with out Gibbs
Who knows, is Gordon pursuing a masters in Catholic Studies that wasn't offered at UMass?
Why even approach this, 5th year seniors transfer and schools find a way to make it work.
This thread is stupid. You guys were at the top of the cheerleading pyramid when Gibbs hit that shot in the Big East Tournament against Nova. I'm sure you all thought he was a cancer then and rubbish and whatever else.
Better. This team is missing exactly what Gibbs provides - an efficient upperclassman scorer. I realize he clashed with the freshmen last year, but as a former college student, I tend to write off most college-aged disputes as vastly overblown.
As for Sina, who knows what he would have added, but generally speaking top 150 recruits don't get worse as they get older.
As for Sina, who knows what he would have added, but generally speaking top 150 recruits don't get worse as they get older.
Fair enough on the "idiotic" part - that strikes an unnecessary tone - although I'm not sure I'd agree my view is indeed "clouded" at all. No doubt the coach lost my support a year ago, but I'm perfectly clear in thinking that Gibbs is assigned way too much of the blame for last season's locker room dissension, and it's all because he is the one who is no longer here. He should shoulder some, as things are rarely entirely one-sided, but it's also pretty clear that most of the other factors in the disharmony remain, with the exception of one "tiny" problem. Did Gibbs leaving help quell the unrest? it seems that way, but it you could have seen the same result with the elimination of any other negative contributor. To me, when you have a situation where two (or more) guys are vying for top-dog status, you defer to the senior player unless there is some compelling reason not to, and there wasn't.
It's not as cut and dried for me to say, "he left, so he was entirely wrong, and the ones still here were entirely right." It's not only unfair, but it's untrue.
Now, as far as the play of the team, there is a long way to go to say the ship has been righted. It's still very unsteady. But it definitely benefits from some other factors that weren't the case last year. Gordon is a huge one - maybe the biggest. He is a strong, experienced leader (and a great babysitter) who isn't compromised by a challenge to his first-scoring-option status. The emergence of the new and improved Sanogo is another huge factor, giving us a length and athleticism we haven't had in a while. Plus, there is a professional agitator now removed from the scene. That none of these were the case last year made for a weaker team, and the presence of Gibbs prevented none of them (especially given that the availability of the scholarship for Gordon is always something that is easily worked around) from being the case this year.
Without him, we lack a vital long-range shooter and someone who has proven time and time again that he can be trusted with the big shot. I'm glad to see him thriving at UConn, where he doesn't seem to have caused any locker room strife despite having to fit in to an established program. But that's no surprise to me.
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Simple question answered by a complicated mind I guess. I have no ill will towards Gibbs, but I guess you know better. Sorry I asked a stupid question in your pea brain opinion.
Come to think of it, the 5th year transfer rule is a little hypocritical isn't it, if the rules are being bent. At least they weren't in BA's case and a few others I can think of.
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There are plenty of top 150 recruits who do not materialize as projected in college. See Austin Colbert.
Reading comprehension buddy, I didn't say you asked a stupid question but I expect nothing less from you than call me pea brain.
I said it's a stupid thread [not directed to you as you did not start it] as people are critical of someone, some more harshly than others, who was praised very highly when he wore our jersey. When someone hits enter twice at the end of a sentence, it's generally another paragraph that may or may not relate to the one preceding it.
I was merely quoting you and commenting that the 5th year transfer rule is a farce and it doesn't really matter what he's majoring in, nor does it matter what Gordon is majoring in.
What I think of you is entirely unrelated.
Reading comprehension? Your first two paragraphs/sentences were clearly directed at my post. Heck you even quoted it! Your third paragraph refers to the thread, of which my post is a part.
I did, in fact, cheer for Gibbs and even Sina's famous reaction to it. You then refer to everyone ("all") in your post thinking Gibbs is a cancer. As a cancer survivor, i found your comment offensive, but left that alone. And you accuse me of needing reading comprehension! Ridiculous. Try expressing your "general" opinion about a thread next time without referring/quoting a poster who asked a simple question (in fairness, I feared my question might open a can of worms).
I did, in fact, cheer for Gibbs and even Sina's famous reaction to it. You then refer to everyone ("all") in your post thinking Gibbs is a cancer. As a cancer survivor, i found your comment offensive, but left that alone. And you accuse me of needing reading comprehension! Ridiculous. Try expressing your "general" opinion about a thread next time without referring/quoting a poster who asked a simple question (in fairness, I feared my question might open a can of worms).
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