Whitehead and Brown
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Still wondering why he didn’t play in the second half. Strange:
The problem is you have to read the room.
Willard was brutal in taking questions that he did not want asked. Because of that the media through the years gave him a lot (too much) space.
Sha isn't quite as bad but he too can be difficult so most everyone shies away from asking questions they know won't be answered.
Case in point, for months preceding the opening game we tried to find out a timeline for Tubeck's return. To a man the questions went unanswered.
Willard was brutal in taking questions that he did not want asked. Because of that the media through the years gave him a lot (too much) space.
Sha isn't quite as bad but he too can be difficult so most everyone shies away from asking questions they know won't be answered.
Case in point, for months preceding the opening game we tried to find out a timeline for Tubeck's return. To a man the questions went unanswered.
Good observation/analysis. Those tough questions should still be asked.
It's fruitless because when the questions were asked in the past you got nothing.
Some coaches will answer any questions. Cooley being the first one that comes to mind. That why he has earned the respect of the media, Others will simply give you 'the look', growl and try to embarrass the person asking the question with Boeheim being the worst offender.
That's what I mean when I say you have to read the room.
Some coaches will answer any questions. Cooley being the first one that comes to mind. That why he has earned the respect of the media, Others will simply give you 'the look', growl and try to embarrass the person asking the question with Boeheim being the worst offender.
That's what I mean when I say you have to read the room.
It’s not fruitless. It’s called doing your job.
You don’t need to be disrespectful in the question. If coach doesn’t answer, it shows poorly on him. This way, it shows poorly on reporters.
Being tough on Willard after he takes next job is fruitless.
Gary Cohen asked him directly in the postgame. Gary remarked that Brown looks good (I think he said “poised”) every time he plays. Sha went on some rift about how he’s trying to get Brown to play faster and that since he brought it in practice he played against Monmouth. Um, ok. IDK. I watch our starting guards dribble the air out of the ball, play lackluster defense, get off to ridiculously slow starts because their head is out of it and our general offensive pace is terrible. So I’m not sure about the double standard. The kid looks better than what we’re getting from certain players. I’d be playing him more with Richmond.
I could be wrong but I think it’s a situation being mismanaged given the blind loyalty to Dawes. Then Sha got caught because Richmond picked up two fouls and he rolled the dice with Brown. Until Dawes is treated on merit for performance – seems Addae-Wusu got that treatment against Monmouth – it’s going to be hard to see what Brown can give us. I mean just look at what Brown did the first half. Then didn’t play as we watched the typical offenders play awful in the second half. Again.
I could be wrong but I think it’s a situation being mismanaged given the blind loyalty to Dawes. Then Sha got caught because Richmond picked up two fouls and he rolled the dice with Brown. Until Dawes is treated on merit for performance – seems Addae-Wusu got that treatment against Monmouth – it’s going to be hard to see what Brown can give us. I mean just look at what Brown did the first half. Then didn’t play as we watched the typical offenders play awful in the second half. Again.
Bill Belichick is maybe the greatest football coach of all time (in the discussion) and he was asked the same question 4 times in a row yesterday and it was about speculation and not even an actual game…when he made it abundantly clear he wouldn’t answer it
No one can ask Sha questions about the ACTUAL game in which he was the head coach making decisions? That is WILD
I'm glad that Jerry Carino is not shying away from the suggestion of certain players getting more minutes at the expense of others in his headlines and X feed.
Guess you know more than the pros who have to deal with the coaches outside of the press room. You have to establish a rapport and that sometimes means temporing your questions.
Case in point when I say read the room...last year we had a very difficult loss and when Holloway came into the presser you could see that he was about as angry as could be.
One of the first questions asked was about an injury to a player who had not dressed all season. He exploded at the question and for all intents and purposes that ended the presser.
Bottom line, sure Holloway came off looking bad but because of the incident we were not able to ask any pertinent questions that readers wanted posed.
In short you have to pick your spots knowing who you are talking to.
Jerry, because of who he is and where he works has far more cache than anyone else in the room. He gets a little leeway in asking questions that other do not get. He's earned that right.
Case in point...A question was asked in the last game about Coleman getting more time. If the question was asked by Jerry (it was not) the reply probably would have been slightly different. Instead, the question was asked from a young reporter and the reply which I won't post here as to not embarrass anyone was sarcastic in nature.
Lol I have to roll my eyes at this.....Sha is getting 2.5 million dollars? to not answer basic questions on playing time? I understand injuries that's different but jeez
This is why people come after you, Dan. I disagreed with a point, you threw on your cape and took a shot.
Reporters need to ask questions, sometimes they’re tough. This one isn’t even tough. Brown helped team build a lead, then sat in 2nd half as staters struggled, why not go back to him?
Let’s be honest about this, and I say this LOVING Sha, but are we really worried about the wrath of a 2nd year coach who is struggling? What has happened to the industry if this is not he case?
That's nonsense. I have my opinion and has nothing to do with donning a cape as you so hilariously put it.
It's easy to criticize what others are doing, which is your right. But much more difficult when you in particular are in that situation.
If you know a question is not going to be answered then asking it more than once when it has been asked before is just a waste of time. All summer and into the early fall we asked about Tubeck's injury. Each and every time we got nothing. Do you really think continuing to ask that question is going to accomplish anything?
Same with Coleman getting more time. The question has been brought up time and time again in the pressers with the same non answer. How many times do you want to repeat that scenario?
It's easy to criticize what others are doing, which is your right. But much more difficult when you in particular are in that situation.
If you know a question is not going to be answered then asking it more than once when it has been asked before is just a waste of time. All summer and into the early fall we asked about Tubeck's injury. Each and every time we got nothing. Do you really think continuing to ask that question is going to accomplish anything?
Same with Coleman getting more time. The question has been brought up time and time again in the pressers with the same non answer. How many times do you want to repeat that scenario?
For anyone criticizing Dan, this has been going on for years with most college and pro coaches. How much a coach gets paid has zero to do with them answering the question. The coaches have to show up to the presser - they don't have to answer all the questions and they can shut you out if they want to in places outside of the press room. Just be happy we have Carino and Cohen who have both the cache and respect of the coaches to ask those difficult questions.
Even Jerry has the experience to pick his spots and he's been doing this for well over 20 years.
Eventually you know when a coach is going to answer a question and when he is simply going to deflect. If a question has been asked previously how many times do you think said question can be asked again?
We all knew that Tubek missed the game, but no one including Jerry asked about the injury.
As far as Cohen is concerned...he's on radio and that gives him a better chance to get a response, even if the coach doesn't want to broach the subject. The question then being how honest or in depth will the response be.
Eventually you know when a coach is going to answer a question and when he is simply going to deflect. If a question has been asked previously how many times do you think said question can be asked again?
We all knew that Tubek missed the game, but no one including Jerry asked about the injury.
As far as Cohen is concerned...he's on radio and that gives him a better chance to get a response, even if the coach doesn't want to broach the subject. The question then being how honest or in depth will the response be.
It's not nonsense. We disagree on this point. No sweat. But you taking your shot while I was perfectly respectful to your position is the problem.
Being critical of someone's work is not something to take personal. Being disrespectful is a whole other sotry.
Keep caping, tho, when anyone is critical of anyone you like. It'll keep your position of being in the know, as you like to point out over and over.
See I completely understand the idea of reporters having to read room/pick battles, as almost any other person doing their job has to also understand when talking to fellow employees and/or customers.
So if it was a question being asked week after week, or even multiple times at presser I would understand holding back. But doubt many questions have been about Brown all season, so not sure why wouldn't ask that type of question since pretty obvious most people in the arena (fans & press). Now if Sha chose to ignore, that is on him and I can see not pushing him further on topic.
So if it was a question being asked week after week, or even multiple times at presser I would understand holding back. But doubt many questions have been about Brown all season, so not sure why wouldn't ask that type of question since pretty obvious most people in the arena (fans & press). Now if Sha chose to ignore, that is on him and I can see not pushing him further on topic.
There needs to be a reckoning when it comes to this. If coaches and players are going to beg for, if not flat out demand, money constantly from fans, they need to be held to a different standard. They need to answer tough questions and be responsive to those bankrolling them. It's a new era.
But this is what so-called "journalism" has become, especially in sports. Reporters are more interested in showing up to ask softball questions and pump the company line because it keeps them in the good graces of those they report on, increases their popularity and visibility amongst readers, and increases the chances they remain employed in the role. I've used this term before but it is true - many sports reporters will gladly "carry the water" for those they report on because it benefits them personally, instead of fulfilling a true journalistic role.
True reporters/journalists ask all kinds of questions - easy and tough - no matter the situation. There are not nearly enough of them out there in the world today. Asking the coach about why Brown didn't play in the second half of a game in which he played well prior to that, is not a tough question and it needs to be asked.
But this is what so-called "journalism" has become, especially in sports. Reporters are more interested in showing up to ask softball questions and pump the company line because it keeps them in the good graces of those they report on, increases their popularity and visibility amongst readers, and increases the chances they remain employed in the role. I've used this term before but it is true - many sports reporters will gladly "carry the water" for those they report on because it benefits them personally, instead of fulfilling a true journalistic role.
True reporters/journalists ask all kinds of questions - easy and tough - no matter the situation. There are not nearly enough of them out there in the world today. Asking the coach about why Brown didn't play in the second half of a game in which he played well prior to that, is not a tough question and it needs to be asked.
It’s the industry now. For example, it’s quite common in pro sports where national reporters break more news than the beat. And everyone wonders why. It’s bc of this dynamic; the beat doesn’t want to get frozen out of any info as they need to churn daily to keep attention for their positions/following.
Sadly i 1000% agree. We sucked with the starters, the 2nd team built a nice lead. Starters back in and we are fighting for our lives.
And if you could not count or read the scoreboard, just the look of both our O and D was way better with the subs playing
Shiver me timbers cause i think this ship is entering the high seas, has sprung a few leaks and the captain spends his time wondering who stole the strawberries.
It seems apparent to me the ONLY reason Brown got on the floor in the first half was Richmond had two fouls and Dawes had not played well to that point. Plus, it was Monmouth and Shaheen probably figured he could get eight decent minutes out of Brown. That Brown played well was a bonus.
The fact that Richmond was available for the entire second half (he literally sat for all of five seconds) meant Sha could leave him on the floor -- he only played 27 minutes as it is.
The fact that Richmond was available for the entire second half (he literally sat for all of five seconds) meant Sha could leave him on the floor -- he only played 27 minutes as it is.
I’m not going to tell Sha what to do, but do the experiment against Mizzou with Brown and Coleman in the starting line-up. Starting with Kadary takes pressure off of Brown as the primary ball handler, and adds a better passer to the mix. (And his three point form is pretty darn good). If he struggles, sub Dawes. Starting Coleman over Wusu is upside right now.
This coach's antics and attitude do not conjure thoughts of attending games or renewing season tickets, never mind donating NIL to this program. Yet we have enablers here defending his absurd stance(s)... he treats his players like sh*t, disrespects opposing coaches and seemingly the same to the media... what exactly has this newfound millionaire done that makes him think he has a leg to stand on? This 'coaching style' (if you want to call it that) is completely unsustainable and his players look absolutely miserable.
It's going to offend him if asked a question the entire arena was asking in the 2nd half on Tuesday (why isn't Brown on the floor)? Sorry, that should offend us, not the other way around. Yet, here we have media-types rolling over for the guy. Journalism is dead and SHU basketball as we know it isn't far behind at this pace.
It's going to offend him if asked a question the entire arena was asking in the 2nd half on Tuesday (why isn't Brown on the floor)? Sorry, that should offend us, not the other way around. Yet, here we have media-types rolling over for the guy. Journalism is dead and SHU basketball as we know it isn't far behind at this pace.
The job of journalists are to ask the questions that the subject don't want asked.
Sha did a great job at St. Peter’s. He also built that team for years of continuity. Built rapport with players, had guys that played his style, formed bonds. Willard did the same thing with us over final 7-8 years.
I feel Sha is struggling with that here. The program has been a turnstile the past two years. Last year he had 9 guys average 13 MPG+, 6 of them are gone. And 2 of the returning 3 each missed more than 6 games last year.
The NEW college basketball for programs like Seton Hall. There’s a difference between experience and continuity. I am surprised how glaring the difference is between the younger and 1st year players and older players though. And the older guys are getting paid a lot more. That’s a dynamic he needs to figure out before we go 5-15 in the BE and we entire dark days again.
This is nothing. Go to some SEC schools or midwestern schools where the coach is the annointed king. They will boot you from the presser if you act up in their eyes. Years ago Tom Osborne at Nebraska was notorious for this.
You seem to have an issue with Dan. Your first post actually implied he was not doing his job by not asking the question you want asked. In all honesty it is his responsibility to maintain a relationship with the coach and admin so he has to read the room and time his questions at the proper moment. That is his judgement not ours as we are not there. There are a lot of paper lions on this site and you seem to be one of them. Point out any observation about the team but not really right to take a shot at a person because you do not agree with them.
If there is a loss Sunday and this completely becomes a total rebuild year which you could easily say it is already it would be ridiculous to not play the young guys more
Maybe Sha needs to sit and watch the replay of the game a few times, I imagine these guys have to be taking it to the seniors in practice as well. None of us knows what deals were cut with these starters before they signed on to play this year. What's painfully obvious to all of us maybe more complicated than it appears to Sha. He may have given his word to some guys that if they stay they will play. What's more complicated for the coach is he's looking bad by their lack luster play. Brown and Coleman are pushing the buttons, something has to give soon or Sha is going to lose the team. Tough spot for Sha, I know the conversations he must of had to bring this team together. He's telling the public/us that everyone has to earn their spot, these guys are clearly earning that court time. Now he has to man up for the team, trust me not everyone is going to be happy.
Clearly from Carino’s postgame article many of the comments / questions in the postgame presser were geared towards the positive impact the bench made.
"If you watched my teams over the years, whether it was at Saint Peter’s or here, I like sparks off the bench," Holloway said. "Sometimes when you start and we go into a drop like we did tonight, who do I come off the bench with? Right now, I’m good with the starting five we have, but at the same time, these guys gotta work. I’m not playing that game anymore where it’s like I’m just constantly giving chances and chances. At the end of the day, you gotta earn it and tonight, the guys that came off the bench earned it, we needed it and it was good for us.”
I don’t think it’s unfair during this course of dialogue to ask a general follow up, something along the lines of the following…
“If the guys who came off the bench earned it tonight, did you consider going back to them more in the second half, in particular Brown?”
Obviously I am not there to read the room as Sha gave the response above. But it appears that he opens the door for some more feedback along this line of questioning.
"If you watched my teams over the years, whether it was at Saint Peter’s or here, I like sparks off the bench," Holloway said. "Sometimes when you start and we go into a drop like we did tonight, who do I come off the bench with? Right now, I’m good with the starting five we have, but at the same time, these guys gotta work. I’m not playing that game anymore where it’s like I’m just constantly giving chances and chances. At the end of the day, you gotta earn it and tonight, the guys that came off the bench earned it, we needed it and it was good for us.”
I don’t think it’s unfair during this course of dialogue to ask a general follow up, something along the lines of the following…
“If the guys who came off the bench earned it tonight, did you consider going back to them more in the second half, in particular Brown?”
Obviously I am not there to read the room as Sha gave the response above. But it appears that he opens the door for some more feedback along this line of questioning.
I dont disagree but that has nothing to do with pt distribution and game mgnt. I think sha is in an unprecedentedly bad spot here and i think so far this year he has shat the bed. Given what i have seen so far i dont see five BE wins. And i think there are wins to be had by a team with our personell if we play close to our ability. I remain hopeful that somehow we wake up.
The problem is we don't know any of this.
Based on what I have seen from the bench players, outside of Coleman, I'm not sure any of them deserve a long leash. EHE is a competent backup for Bediako and has to play given the limited options there.
Beyond that, Sanders hasn't shown enough to say he has earned the type of minutes I'd like to see him get. Brown has done literally nothing against a challenging opponent. Yes, he's played well in the few spots he's gotten some run but I don't see him as more than an eight mpg player at the moment. Nganga and Tubek have shown less than that.
You might say, if we're going to lose anyway, play the young guys but a coach isn't going to just abandon players who have proven (and our starters have done so) that they can be effective against P6 competition.
What I think most people who are just fans don't understand is that you have to establish a relationship with the coach. If you want access to practices, players, staff members and the like you have to 'play the game'.
That brings up the question for most all of us who don't write for the Ledger, the Post or AAP how should we handle ourselves in the post game. For me and most all of us it depends on the coach, both SHU's and the visitor's. As I noted with a coach like Cooley and a few others all questions are fair game as long as they are legitimate. With others, like a Boeheim for instance you have to choose your words carefully.
It's so easy from afar to say ask the tough questions but if you do so understand that you are jeopardizing your future access to the program.
In my case in particular I do not have the cache of a Carino, Zagoria or Brazillier as I am only someone who writes for a blog and thus that has to be taken into consideration.
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