Big East Record without Sina

[mbraue]

See below from Jerry Carino's recent blog. We miss Sina - wish this would have been handled better all around. Spoke at length to someone very close to Carrington the other night before the Providence game and apparently Carrington was not involved in any of the bs toward Jaren (nor Delgado). Old news, time to move on, but interesting. Hope the freshman are maturing as TEAMMATES.

Side note: The Hall was 5-7 in the Big East with Jaren Sina and went 1-5 after he parted ways with the program.

 

[SHUPirate08]

We started our slide with Sina getting 37 mpg, and were going to keep sliding with him or without him. Misleading statistic to say the least.

 

[anon_4htvdezyfe7k9]

Agree. That's not exactly a large sample size. Carino seems to lack some objectivity when it comes to sina.

 

[Seton75]

Propaganda

 

[Hall91]

It's easy to look at the pre and post record, but the bottom line is that a negative aura hit this team at some point in late January/early February and to some degree Sina was part of that. Had Willard not promised too much to him and if he played his role as a backup 15+ MPG we'd probably be in much better shape this season and next.

A tough lesson for many involved.

 

[Piratz]

Whitehead's poor shooting and turnovers are just killers. Even with the great assist rate. It's just a big net-negative right now, probably worse than Sina's.

Sina probably had a better year, efficiency-wise. Do I think that's a one year aberration? Yes. Whitehead has talent that's off the charts, but he didn't play efficiently this year.

Neither shot worth a lick, but Sina did not turn the ball over like this.

This post was edited on 3/8 8:56 AM by Piratz

 

[Piratz]

Originally posted by mbraue:
See below from Jerry Carino's recent blog. We miss Sina - wish this would have been handled better all around. Spoke at length to someone very close to Carrington the other night before the Providence game and apparently Carrington was not involved in any of the bs toward Jaren (nor Delgado). Old news, time to move on, but interesting. Hope the freshman are maturing as TEAMMATES.

Side note: The Hall was 5-7 in the Big East with Jaren Sina and went 1-5 after he parted ways with the program.

This team finished dead last in shooting, second to last in FG defense, second to last in turnover margin, and 8th of 10 in assists:turnovers.

There was a lot wrong. The more important question is what to do more forward.

 

[statenman]

I give a lot of respect to the way Sina was treated by the coaching staff, media and fans. This would not happen at many schools after your second leading minutes player just gets up and bails like that.
I usually feel carino is a good reporter, but I have to agree with posters here. The problems began and festered when Sina was here, and unless he would have had one of his rare 5-6 from 3 games then our record would be the same had he stayed to finish the season (like a team player would have done).

 

[Pirate Russ]

Originally posted by Piratz:
Whitehead's poor shooting and turnovers are just killers. Even with the great assist rate. It's just a big net-this.

This post was edited on 3/8 8:56 AM by Piratz

Is it possible we are all underestimating the impact the injury had on Whitehead? He has simply not been the same player since the injury.

 

[SPK145]

Originally posted by Pirate Russ:

Originally posted by Piratz:
Whitehead's poor shooting and turnovers are just killers. Even with the great assist rate. It's just a big net-this.

This post was edited on 3/8 8:56 AM by Piratz

Is it possible we are all underestimating the impact the injury had on Whitehead? He has simply not been the same player since the injury.

Um, he's basically been the EXACTLY same player as before the injury.

Not a good year for him but he's got talent, he can play much better.

 

[Pirate64]

Lose with Sina , lose without him. But lose more with Whitehead
right now.

IW is trying to do too much and KW can't get through to him. What else is new?

 

[SHUMike]

How many more wins would we have if Sina stayed?

Answer: 0

 

[MBF72]

In fact, we might have lost the Creighton game with him taking minutes from Carrington.

Wish the media types would say he quit the team rather the sugar coating "left the team." Kids leave the team to get academics in order or to attend a funeral.

 

[Section112]

Originally posted by Piratz:

Originally posted by mbraue:
See below from Jerry Carino's recent blog. We miss Sina - wish this would have been handled better all around. Spoke at length to someone very close to Carrington the other night before the Providence game and apparently Carrington was not involved in any of the bs toward Jaren (nor Delgado). Old news, time to move on, but interesting. Hope the freshman are maturing as TEAMMATES.

Side note: The Hall was 5-7 in the Big East with Jaren Sina and went 1-5 after he parted ways with the program.

This team finished dead last in shooting, second to last in FG defense, second to last in turnover margin, and 8th of 10 in assists:turnovers.

There was a lot wrong. The more important question is what to do more forward.

Going forward you do what we should have done coming into the year. Put the ball in Sterling's hands. He is the leader of the team. Until proven otherwise he is our best player. Have Carrington play minutes at the PG position and two guard position and start IW at the two guard. The three guard thing did not work for us.

 

[shu09]

Originally posted by Pirate Russ:

Originally posted by Piratz:
Whitehead's poor shooting and turnovers are just killers. Even with the great assist rate. It's just a big net-this.


This post was edited on 3/8 8:56 AM by Piratz

Is it possible we are all underestimating the impact the injury had on Whitehead? He has simply not been the same player since the injury.

How is that? His play after the injury has been very similar to his play before it.

 

[chickenbox]

Correlation is not causation

 

[TrueBlue1989]

Jerry is confusing correlation with causation. Jaren is a nice player and person but is not a difference maker.

This post was edited on 3/8 3:19 PM by TrueBlue1989

 

[Piratz]

I'm actually surprised he made the All-BE Rookie team.

Here's hoping he learned a lot both as a player and as a person after going through this tumultuous season. He could be a terrific player for The Hall and form one of the top backcourts in the country with Gibbs if the two can coexist.

He wasn't significantly better or playing well offensively before the injury either.

Before (11g) = .393 FG, .381 3PT, 11.9 PPG, 1.12 PPS, 37:35 (A:T)
After (10g) = .330 FG, .321 3PT, 12.2 PPG, 1.01 PPS, 36:36 (A:T)

In hindsight, one of the major reasons why we beat Villanova and St. John's - in addition to Gibbs and Mobley - was because for that stretch we had superior performances by players who were filling the void of Whitehead's play, namely Sina and Carrington, and we were all over the place defensively. We got into a ton of bad habits thereafter and never recovered.