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BYE BYE EHE

I couldn't have said it better myself. Last month I wrote a stern email to James Pitaro at ESPN after they signed that six year, 7.8 billion dollar deal for the College Football playoffs and told him he was crazy for participating in this lunacy. Amazingly, he wrote back and said he would consider reneging on the deal but asked for my suggestion on how to fill the many hours of dead air he would have if college sports were to shut down. I told him that was not my problem.

I'll bet net numbers get much worse once you get past #50.
 
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This is the real answer. Lets stop this charade what is going on. They want to get paid, ok there is then a contract that puts you in the employ of the school for a period of years. This is the only solution because what is happening now, cannot be sustained
Cannot be sustained by many schools but can by others. The haves will keep pushing the have-nots back.
 
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Cannot be sustained by many schools but can by others. The haves will keep pushing the have-nots back.
Going to be awesome putting the volleyball team, baseball team, softball team, track athletes, soccer teams, etc on payroll. I would think they're also entitled to benefits otherwise it's discrimination. If you're an employee of the school, don't you get school for free. So the 13 baseball scholarships now you have 30 kids going for free, nobody on half scholarship. Going to be great for the schools. I assume division 2 athletics would thrive in this market as well.
 
Going to be awesome putting the volleyball team, baseball team, softball team, track athletes, soccer teams, etc on payroll. I would think they're also entitled to benefits otherwise it's discrimination. If you're an employee of the school, don't you get school for free. So the 13 baseball scholarships now you have 30 kids going for free, nobody on half scholarship. Going to be great for the schools. I assume division 2 athletics would thrive in this market as well.
I’d argue that they are only entitled as employees to a percentage of the revenues they generate, which is basically $0.
 
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Which forward-thinking school will be the first to allow players to set their own curriculum, effectively making taking classes optional?
 
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I’d argue that they are only entitled as employees to a percentage of the revenues they generate, which is basically $0.
I would guess that's some form of discrimination. Does the baseball/softball/volleyball coach get paid based on the revenue his or her team generates? Coaches and players are both employees. I could be wrong, it just seems different rules for too many different people. Not to mention isn't there a minimum wage issue?
 
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I would guess that's some form of discrimination. Does the baseball/softball/volleyball coach get paid based on the revenue his or her team generates? Coaches and players are both employees. I could be wrong, it just seems different rules for too many different people.
If they separate the education part from the money sports, can they not have to worry about title ix issues? As things are increasingly moving toward straight up professionalism, thinking schools having pro teams without having the distractions of having to keep up the student-athlete thing could be where this all lands
 
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Right, I hope we have someone else coming in because we have a gigantic hole at center right now.
He was the only guy I assumed wouldn't test the waters to see what he would be worth as a transfer honestly given this was a homecoming for him, we don't have a center (yet) and he didn't have a great season that would demand a high NIL.
I agree. Also don’t discount the perennial influence of friends, family and “advisors” on a kid. I’d think many will be hearing you can get some big bucks in the portal. Even if it isn’t accurate.
 
This is the real answer. Lets stop this charade what is going on. They want to get paid, ok there is then a contract that puts you in the employ of the school for a period of years. This is the only solution because what is happening now, cannot be sustained
The problem with that is that the money they are being paid now is not (technically) in exchange for their services as basketball players. Remember, they are being compensated for their “name, image, and likenesses,” even though 99 percent of their names, images, and likenesses are not recognizable to 99 percent if the population. Their money is not being paid out by the universities (I’ll pause here if you can’t stop laughing yet), but by collectives funded by individuals who have no actual money-making use for the players’ names, images and likenesses.

Makes sense, right?
 
The problem with that is that the money they are being paid now is not (technically) in exchange for their services as basketball players. Remember, they are being compensated for their “name, image, and likenesses,” even though 99 percent of their names, images, and likenesses are not recognizable to 99 percent if the population. Their money is not being paid out by the universities (I’ll pause here if you can’t stop laughing yet), but by collectives funded by individuals who have no actual money-making use for the players’ names, images and likenesses.

Makes sense, right?
You’re describing the current system. But you can start paying them, they become employees and then you collectively bargain for restrictions like transfer requirements, sit outs, etc.

Making them employees wouldn’t necessarily cut out NIL (you’d have to collectively bargain for that and it would have about a zero chance) but it would restore some order. Coaches and Collectives would regain some control

The challenge with this option is that it’s not limited to basketball. You obviously have football but then what about swimmers and baseball and track etc
 
Sure they do. And that’s fair.
really? Tickets to volleyball games are free. Let’s say coach is making 25k, what is 25k based off of 50k of donations. It’s just socialism within an athletic department. It’s not like the volleyball team and many other sports generate the revenue to cover their away game travel + coach and if the players are employees minimum wage.
 
You’re describing the current system. But you can start paying them, they become employees and then you collectively bargain for restrictions like transfer requirements, sit outs, etc.

Making them employees wouldn’t necessarily cut out NIL (you’d have to collectively bargain for that and it would have about a zero chance) but it would restore some order. Coaches and Collectives would regain some control

The challenge with this option is that it’s not limited to basketball. You obviously have football but then what about swimmers and baseball and track etc
But the “NIL” system is not going away, so you’ll still always have that on top of whatever else they implement.
 
Yes NIL is not going away. But players would lose a lot leverage with collectively bargained movement restrictions. And teams would be committed to the mistakes that they make which would force organizations to be a little more picky.
 
This is the real answer. Lets stop this charade what is going on. They want to get paid, ok there is then a contract that puts you in the employ of the school for a period of years. This is the only solution because what is happening now, cannot be sustained
And trade players...why not lol they only care about the $$$...so obviously they don't care where they play.
 
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Yes NIL is not going away. But players would lose a lot leverage with collectively bargained movement restrictions. And teams would be committed to the mistakes that they make which would force organizations to be a little more picky.
To have a CBA you need a players union.
 
If they separate the education part from the money sports, can they not have to worry about title ix issues? As things are increasingly moving toward straight up professionalism, thinking schools having pro teams without having the distractions of having to keep up the student-athlete thing could be where this all lands

If they separate the education part from the money sports, can they not have to worry about title ix issues? As things are increasingly moving toward straight up professionalism, thinking schools having pro teams without having the distractions of having to keep up the student-athlete thing could be where this all lands

If they separate the education part from the money sports, can they not have to worry about title ix issues? As things are increasingly moving toward straight up professionalism, thinking schools having pro teams without having the distractions of having to keep up the student-athlete thing could be where this all lands
That’s a really interesting question, chickenbox. While I certainly haven’t closely looked at title IX, my “educated” guess is that if the school (rather than these NIL collectives) became the entity paying the players, then the school could run into Title IX issues when the football players are in invariably making way more money than the players on the women’s volleyball team…
 
But the “NIL” system is not going away, so you’ll still always have that on top of whatever else they implement.
We'll see. It's not sustainable for small schools. It may go away by destroying the whole system as it is, leading to its existence only in so-called superconferences for major football schools. Every other school reverts back to the way it was before NIL and the more prevalent pseudo-NIL cash grabs.
 
Would have to be deemed employees then, which they should be. All contractual with buyouts, etc.

Didn't Dartmouth players unionize? Can you be in a legal union and still not be considered employees?
 
We'll see. It's not sustainable for small schools. It may go away by destroying the whole system as it is, leading to its existence only in so-called superconferences for major football schools. Every other school reverts back to the way it was before NIL and the more prevalent pseudo-NIL cash grabs.
Probably, yeah.
 
I liked ehe. Not a huge blow for us I'd imagine. But I like a big kid who can shoot and pass like he did.

James Madison was good this year. Saw them a few times and was impressed.
 
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I liked ehe. Not a huge blow for us I'd imagine. But I like a big kid who can shoot and pass like he did.

James Madison was good this year. Saw them a few times and was impressed.
I suspect they promised him their starting center position which I doubt Sha promised him.I doubt it was the $$$.
 
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Can’t be used for NIL, but probably puts their donors in a positions where all their funds can be geared towards NIL:

HallPirate good observation tho I am still not clear what Virginia Schools are now able to do:


 
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I also liked what EHE gave us this year. I think most had limited expectations, and seemed like he exceeded them. Would have been nice to see another year at The Hall.

My son is at JMU, so I'll have a constant flow of feedback I'm sure. Between Football and Basketball, JMU had a ton of turnover, including coaches. We are fortunate we were not facing that.
 
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EHE was a nice player, certainly nothing special. I think there's ability there but I also think there were minutes for the taking last season despite how well Bediako played and he wasn't able to seize the opportunity.

Hopefully for him JMU will be a situation more suited for him.
 
EHE was a nice player, certainly nothing special. I think there's ability there but I also think there were minutes for the taking last season despite how well Bediako played and he wasn't able to seize the opportunity.

Hopefully for him JMU will be a situation more suited for him.
EHE was a capable backup, but unless he made a huge leap, he would have been in the bottom third of BE starting centers. Didn’t have the post presence of Jaden and committed too many fouls.
 
Good for him, excellent landing spot for him. They have an exciting coach and play an exciting style of BB. Good luck to him nice kid I believe he will excel at JMU. He will play a big role there.
 
Good for him. Tough for us as we have to turn over our entire roster. Tough sledding for teams like SHU now. Hoping Wusu comes back and Coleman and Kadary stay to form our nucleus.
 
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