11 Big East wins = NCAA tourney?
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with the type of hustle sha demands out of these guys, they might be able to steal a couple of games vs the top teams. but can they avoid stinkers against the worst teams?
Too early to tell for sure, but I would lean no.
To change my calculus, I need to see two more wins in a row (another quality win vs. Marquette and avoiding the hangover game at Georgetown), followed by a 3-1 record during the stretch of @ Butler, vs. SJU, vs. Creighton, and vs. Providence. That would put the team at 7-2 through nine league games. Then you can take NCAA aspirations seriously.
To change my calculus, I need to see two more wins in a row (another quality win vs. Marquette and avoiding the hangover game at Georgetown), followed by a 3-1 record during the stretch of @ Butler, vs. SJU, vs. Creighton, and vs. Providence. That would put the team at 7-2 through nine league games. Then you can take NCAA aspirations seriously.
I think 6-3 with the back 9 of the schedule including 2 against DePaul and 1 against Georgetown could create some serious NCAA talk.
come on 7-2? That is crazy we would be off the bubble squarely in the field with that record
It would stir the pot, but remember the non-conference performance was not good. It's going to take at least 11, probably 12, conference wins to get in. I think we'd all sign for a 6-3 start, but 7-2 turns heads and makes the road to 12 not nearly as difficult.
7-2 through 9 games of a 20 game league schedule doesn't put you in the tournament. It only puts you in position to maybe get there by the end of the season.
Seton Hall is nowhere near the bubble right now, even after tonight. To change that, the team has to do something remarkable.
This group could easily go 1-2 in those 3 games against Gtown and Depaul, even assuming we continue this run of being healthy.
I would be thrilled if SHU went 10-10 in the Big East, looks realistic.
I agree with your take, but we have done something remarkable already. Let’s enjoy it and now there‘s some juice for MU on Saturday.
Yes but even if they go 1-2 in those games but still get to 11 conference wins I’ll take it.
Last year was a chalk team for expectations. This year could be the a more mercurial one.
I think most SHU fans would take a 11-9 conference record if you asked them to sign on the dotted line, whether it was to start the season, after the non-conference, or even now.
But isn’t the title of this thread 11 wins = NCAA tournament?
I still think that because the non-conference performance was so weak in terms of quality wins and the NET metrics generated, the 11 wins will be just short of making the dance.
Hey you never know the metrics could change due to no bad losses and another strong road win or two and maybe the bubble is weak. But long way to get there. One game at a time. Everyone was super low after Rutgers, super high after Missouri and UCONN, and then came crashing back down to reality after the Xavier game. This team needs to string together a good stretch of 4-5 games, where regardless of record, the level of play is consistent.
Mentioned in another thread, this team can hang with anyone in the league, but only if all five starters contribute, stay out of foul trouble and don’t miss any time due to injury. I don’t see any significant help from the bench the rest of the way outside of Coleman and EHE being the only two that can give you more then 10mpg.
Can’t expect all five starters to be on every game. Will lose some we expect to win. But an upset or two is still out there also.
Can’t expect all five starters to be on every game. Will lose some we expect to win. But an upset or two is still out there also.
We’ve had a decent season overall because we’ve had an outstanding start to BE play.
The non-conference season was disappointing; we got blown out too much, took a bad Q3 home loss, and the lone highlight was a win over an average-at-best Missouri team that may end up only a Q3 win. We would have to do A LOT to make that up. And all of the metrics show that. We’re NET #77, KP #72 today: 2-2 Q1, 0-2 Q2, 1-1 Q3, 6-0 Q4. While sure way too early for these things to be declarative, it feels right to where we are overall: Not an NCAAT team but have created a path, at least. Big improvement.
Have to make serious hay in the 4 games with Georgetown and DePaul, and take it to Butler. Then see how it goes with Villanova, St. John’s, and the Xavier home game. The injury to Hopkins is also a wild card in where Providence goes.
But even the dream to look ahead exists because of this great start and the two Q1 wins. Get to 11-5, 4-1 and we’ll be cooking. I didn’t think we’d beat Connecticut or win at Providence, so anything is possible! 🤷♂️
The non-conference season was disappointing; we got blown out too much, took a bad Q3 home loss, and the lone highlight was a win over an average-at-best Missouri team that may end up only a Q3 win. We would have to do A LOT to make that up. And all of the metrics show that. We’re NET #77, KP #72 today: 2-2 Q1, 0-2 Q2, 1-1 Q3, 6-0 Q4. While sure way too early for these things to be declarative, it feels right to where we are overall: Not an NCAAT team but have created a path, at least. Big improvement.
Have to make serious hay in the 4 games with Georgetown and DePaul, and take it to Butler. Then see how it goes with Villanova, St. John’s, and the Xavier home game. The injury to Hopkins is also a wild card in where Providence goes.
But even the dream to look ahead exists because of this great start and the two Q1 wins. Get to 11-5, 4-1 and we’ll be cooking. I didn’t think we’d beat Connecticut or win at Providence, so anything is possible! 🤷♂️
How about you could get to 11-9 and only have 3 quad 1 wins
Home - UCONN - Q1
Away - Providence - Q1
Home - DePaul - Q4
Away - DePaul - Q4
Home - Georgetown - Q4
Away - Georgetown - Q3
Home - Butler - Q2
Home - Xavier - Q2
Home - St. John’s Q2
Home - Providence - Q2
Away - pick any team not GTown / DePaul - Q1
That could get you to the magical 11-9.
Do you still believe that would be the most Q1 wins for a team that could be snubbed?
LOTS OF WORK TO DO STILL.
I would worry about taking one or two bad losses to Georgetown or DePaul that can happen if one or two starters have a bad game.
After witnessing yesterdays game along with UConn’s game, wouldn’t be too surprised if we pulled out a win against Creighton and Nova too. This team has chemistry and JB is a dark horse, if he plays well we will continue to win.
Hope I’m wrong. Just think we’re gonna have really gassed players as the season goes on. Also think that Saturday will tell us if Sha is able to keep this team grinding. Hopefully they don’t feel satisfied as they did against X.
The discussion was 11 wins assuming we didn’t beat UCONN or Marquette… now that we beat both it’s a different conversation
Absolutely. I had us starting 0-4 with the hopes of stealing 1. And that not a negative, that’s reality.
Go back 3 weeks and ask anyone here if we would beat top 10 teams in UConn and Marquette at home and ranked Providence on the road.
I would hope we could take 3/4 from GT/DP and split with SJU/Butler to get to at least 8 wins.
This is where I need to remind myself that it’s one game at a time.
This is where I need to remind myself that it’s one game at a time.
St. John's will be battles both times. Can't count on anything there, they are playing well. Probably the #4 team in the league right now.
While nothing is a given, it would be disappointing to not go 4-0 against GT/DP. Georgetown isn't a pushover, especially on the road, but the Hall is hot right now. Gotta go in there on Tuesday and get a win, no excuses. DePaul is historically bad for a major conference team. Any loss to them would be embarrassing and devastating to the resume.
If you want to be an NCAA team (I believe it'll require 12 Big East wins), this is the blueprint:
4-0 vs. GT/DP
2-1 vs. Butler/Xavier
3-4 vs. Nova/PC/SJU/Creighton
A win at UConn or at Marquette can't be expected, but would be pure gold.
Taking care of the bad teams is huge. 1) you avoid the brutal resume hit, 2) you pad the win total and keep momentum going.
Defending home court is the key. SH has done that so far against the top 2 teams in the conference, which is a huge bonus. If the Pirates can manage to go at least 6-2 in the remaining home games, they could very well be dancing.
That would be more than “take NCAA seriously “ that would be easily top 25 if not inside top 15 stuff.
I’m taking it a game ata time right now…but with a much much brighter outlook
I like your synopsis and appreciate the effort you put into it. Great to even be discussing SHU and the NCAAs in the same sentence considering where we were just a couple weeks ago.
I said 3/4 from GT/DP because I’ve been a fan for awhile and I know what will inevitably happen. I like our chances to get to 11 wins, but like most I’m not going to bet my house on it.
Bump, only 6 more to go lol
With the way this team is playing, if they stay healthy and get proper rest, I could realistically see as many as eight more victories before The BET. The health part is a BIG if though. Seems like the injuries are mounting up in the conference. I really hope this is the season we can somehow avoid something significant happening to one of our players.
One issue we may be dealing with in March is that a lot of highly ranked teams have lost games to teams that will be on the bubble , so we can't just hang our hats on what we accomplished the first 2 weeks in January. Hopefully the best BE teams maintain a higher ranking and we keep winning games that we need to win.
Plus we haven't had a BE game with one of the starters having major foul issues. Closest thing has been Jaden having to sit for extended periods, but I don't think anyone has fouled out so far in BE play. That's a pretty good accomplishment considering the physical style of play.
I think the goal should be to get to 19-12, 12-8. So that's 7-7 the rest of they way.
Need to go 3-0 against DePaul and Georgetown. Losses would be killer.
Should be able to beat Providence and Butler at home. Then you have this week's homestand and Nova to get the other 2.
But at 5-1, let's dream bigger!
Need to go 3-0 against DePaul and Georgetown. Losses would be killer.
Should be able to beat Providence and Butler at home. Then you have this week's homestand and Nova to get the other 2.
But at 5-1, let's dream bigger!
Building a solid resume. Was great to see sanders get quality minutes. Health and not hitting a brick wall will be critical. The team is gelling and we are not a trap game.
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