Every politician in the history of this country has used their position for personal gain.
3rd time in history of USA
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Every politician in the history of this country has used their position for personal gain.
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Just say you are fine with the president holding aid in order to get help in a re-election and move on.
I am not fine with that. Had Obama done the same, I would not have been ok with that. I am really surprised this is partisan. It’s crazy.
I’m for fairness. Kick trump out of office, but kick everyone else who is doing equal or worse out. Slush funds for sexual assault, insider trading, etc. All politicians involved or who even knew that was going on need to go. But that’s not happening.
Don’t be a cop in a 55 zone watching cars go by at 60mph and just sitting there waiting to get trump at 60mph when every other car is going the same speed.
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How is that’s deflection? I responded to you regarding your claim that we did not send military aid. That was false. We did.
If you don’t think we sent enough, that is fine but it’s not like we were asking for political help in order to send more aid.
You know exactly what I was asking about and the difference in the aid, but you deflected.
not sure what you are getting at. Trump sent lethal aid and Obama sent defensive aid.
Isn’t that profiling? You would think merge would be against that
It’s more like everyone is going 60 and Trump complains everyone is getting away with going 60, then he goes 180 and calls it a fake witch hunt when the police come after him.
Sure. My TDS led me to believe that Trump is who he keeps proving himself to be.
Your TDS led you to believe all of this is normal and that I was crazy.
You need to open your eyes. Insider trading, sexually assaulting women, all happened before trump got into office. These people are just as bad if not worse than Trump and you continuously give them a free pass.
I’ve yet to hear anyone say before the house looks into Trump they need to look at themselves. I’ve yet to hear someone say before the senate looks at Trump they need to look at themselves. And that let’s go back before trump. The house and senate had plenty of time to clean themselves up before trump got into office. Trump is no saint but he’s traveling the same speed as everyone else in Washington and they don’t like it.
I personally don’t think an imperfect congress prevents them from upholding their oversight responsibilities.
Trump doesn’t get to do whatever he wants because some members may be bad.
Biden used his name and office to sell access. Got his son a job and canned a major roadblock in the process.
I’m sorry. How was Shokin a roadblock for Biden?
He was not investigating Burisma.
They (along with other countries and the IMF) wanted Shokin gone for not going after corrupt Ukrainian politicians.
read the reporting from when he was fired.
https://nyti.ms/22YYDky
Again, Joe is not my guy for 2020 but the idea that he would sell access so his son could have a million dollars seems off brand.
zero doubt in my mind Hunter was selling access to the VP at the time. It’s a good pitch but I haven’t seen anything to suggest Joe acted against US interests for his sons career... It’s not much different than someone hiring the child of a successful person to get access to their parents. It happens everywhere. If Joe gave them special treatment especially if they directed US policy changes then that would be a gigantic problem. But again, no one has alleged that.
That situation is really not similar at all to what Trump did.
Correct but those same members need to be addressed and it will never happen. And quite frankly you don’t seem to care as long as they get Trump. That’s just wrong. Corruption has been going on both sides for decades but your posts since Trump got into office are only about him. If you cared about ending corruption you’d have had years of posts on getting both sides.
Kind of like the way people twisted themselves into a knot justifying their vote for Menendez. Admit to being a staunch partisan rather than all of a sudden claiming the moral high ground.
I could think of many issues never discussed on this board. I don’t take that as evidence you are not concerned about them. That is silly.
Feel free to post about any topic you want and I will be happy to give you my thoughts. Though, I am sure my thoughts on corruption has been touched on here discussing getting money out of politics, and overturning citizens united etc.
So you’re saying in all your time here you’ve never started a thread that wasn’t being discussed?
I’ve started very few here actually, and this is not the only place I talk about politics.
You’re only concerned about the issues you have started a thread here?
Maybe you do care. In 10 years not we’ve just failed to have a thread on any of the topics you find the Democrats at fault for. My bad.
This thread is as preposterously partisan as DC.
Each succeeding President has abused his powers as much as, if not more, than his predecessors. Count Biden in there as well.
Nobody cares unless it is against their partisan adversary.
The House is just as politically motivated as the Senate will be.
Each succeeding President has abused his powers as much as, if not more, than his predecessors. Count Biden in there as well.
Nobody cares unless it is against their partisan adversary.
The House is just as politically motivated as the Senate will be.
Im reminded of the woman’s basketball game years ago where the young lady who tore her ACL was a bucket shy of breaking the points record or getting 1,000 points or some milestone. At the next game the 2 coaches agreed to an easy bucket each so the young woman could get the record and then they’d start the game from there. Now it appears the Democrats got their bucket but don’t want to give up the easy bucket anymore.
Both sides are disgraceful but it’s good that they keep each other in check. I’m afraid this impeachment could lead to republicans running everything next year and that’s not a good thing either.
For me, there is a difference between a president abusing their power in the sense that they are extending the authority of the executive (which yes is bad) and the president abusing their power for personal gain (which is way beyond bad)
Trump is the worst president in my lifetime in that sense by far.
That’s just an unfair statement. None of us have any clue what personal gains each received. JFK and Clinton were banging every chick they could while in office. That’s not personal gain? The only way your statement is fact is if you are 2 years old. I will say you’re quite smart for a 2 year old.
So Obama weaponizing the IRS to prevent approval of 501C organizations so that they couldn't participate in midterm elections wasn't for personal gain?
They're all bad, all should be/should have been impeached, it's disgusting the power we've consented to the cult of presidency. Just disgraceful. Both sides.
Again... when you put your interest AHEAD of US interests that is when there is a problem.
I don’t care who they are sleeping with unless it is affecting their job.
We don’t have US interest in domestic policy and you want it in foreign policy? Really think about healthcare and the poor quality foods with chemicals our bodies were never meant to ingest. You would think they were concerned about the American people they would do something about companies like Coca Cola, McDonald’s, meat that’s given anti biotics and hormones, etc. in the last 50 years they’ve done nothing for us. Its concerning that some countries won’t let coke sell their product with high fructose corn syrup, McDonald’s can’t use their own meat. This has been ignored long before trump. They’ve ignored the American people for so long. They help their own interests by helping these major companies interests.
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So, Lois Lerner was in contempt of Congress, pleaded the 5th, and resigned because there was nothing to see here, LOL????
you going with people defying congressional subpoenas to be an admission of guilt?
Should she have testified? Yes.
does that mean she is guilty? No.
There is zero evidence Obama “weaponized the IRS” as you stated.
The investigation found there was no evidence of political bias on their actions, and Trump’a DOJ declined a request to open the investigation back up because the results of the investigation was clear.
What are some of you defending? Good lord... Trump is the Babe Ruth of presidential corruption, lying, horrid behavior, etc. He’s going to be remembered as the worst president in the history of this country. Learn to take a loss.
This would be hilarious (and kind of is in a perverse way) if it weren’t real. And daily.
This would be hilarious (and kind of is in a perverse way) if it weren’t real. And daily.
He's far from the worst president, Jimmy Carter.
The Obama administration is not innocent. Putting kids in cages, Fast and Furious scandal, Flying a plane full of money to Iran in the middle of the night, etc.
Trump wasn't elected to maintain the status quo and he's not your father's president.Sure Trump says crazy things. I don't listen to what Trump says I watch what he does. I'm happy with the results.
Historically low unemployement
Tax Cut
Booming economy
H1B Visa reform
Finally moving the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem
Confronting China on IP theft and forced technology transfers
Calling out and getting NATO members to pay up
Renegotiating Nafta
Building the Wall and getting Mexico to hold people in Mexico while waiting for admission.
Calling out Europe on taxing American Tech companies
Am I better now than I was 4 years ago? Absolutely.
This is why I say probably anyone with Trump's platform (but not his attitude/narcissism/lack of morals) would be a wildly successful president. There has been plenty of good that has gone on recently. Unfortunately much of it is overshadowed.
This is the editor's letter in the current issue of The Week magazine, a great magazine that gives you opinions from all perspectives.
On the cusp of a new year, it is customary to express some hope and optimism. Summoning cheery thoughts about 2020, however, requires a bit more sunniness than I or, I suspect, most of you can muster. The year will likely start with the impeachment trial in the Senate, which is sure to degenerate into another depressing display of shameless hypocrisy and post-truth partisanship. The Democratic primaries will follow, unleashing a fresh round of generational warfare that will either leave people under 35 or over that age deeply dissatisfied with the nominee. And then we will move into the general election, which promises to be the ugliest presidential election of our lifetimes — a sustained Category 5 hurricane of negative ads, disinformation (of both foreign and domestic origin), and fear bordering on panic. In the Trump era, Republicans and Democrats have come to view each other as invading zombie armies hell-bent on their America's destruction.
The potential for an election disaster is very real. In one possible scenario, President Trump narrowly loses, denounces the results as a fraudulent coup — millions of illegal votes! hacking by Ukraine and China! — and refuses to vacate the White House. At his urging, armed supporters battle protesters in the streets. Would Mitch McConnell and other Republican leaders insist Trump leave? That's no longer clear. In another scenario, Trump loses the popular vote but wins again in the Electoral College. Traumatized Democrats can't bear this repeat of 2016, and refuse to accept Trump's legitimacy. An even more perilous scenario: The vote count is too close to call, with confrontational recounts in several swing states and perhaps a Supreme Court intervention. Democracies die, political scientists tell us, when the credibility of elections and vital institutions is eroded and the rule of law is destroyed. Let's hope our democracy can survive the next election, and the tumultuous year to come.
On the cusp of a new year, it is customary to express some hope and optimism. Summoning cheery thoughts about 2020, however, requires a bit more sunniness than I or, I suspect, most of you can muster. The year will likely start with the impeachment trial in the Senate, which is sure to degenerate into another depressing display of shameless hypocrisy and post-truth partisanship. The Democratic primaries will follow, unleashing a fresh round of generational warfare that will either leave people under 35 or over that age deeply dissatisfied with the nominee. And then we will move into the general election, which promises to be the ugliest presidential election of our lifetimes — a sustained Category 5 hurricane of negative ads, disinformation (of both foreign and domestic origin), and fear bordering on panic. In the Trump era, Republicans and Democrats have come to view each other as invading zombie armies hell-bent on their America's destruction.
The potential for an election disaster is very real. In one possible scenario, President Trump narrowly loses, denounces the results as a fraudulent coup — millions of illegal votes! hacking by Ukraine and China! — and refuses to vacate the White House. At his urging, armed supporters battle protesters in the streets. Would Mitch McConnell and other Republican leaders insist Trump leave? That's no longer clear. In another scenario, Trump loses the popular vote but wins again in the Electoral College. Traumatized Democrats can't bear this repeat of 2016, and refuse to accept Trump's legitimacy. An even more perilous scenario: The vote count is too close to call, with confrontational recounts in several swing states and perhaps a Supreme Court intervention. Democracies die, political scientists tell us, when the credibility of elections and vital institutions is eroded and the rule of law is destroyed. Let's hope our democracy can survive the next election, and the tumultuous year to come.
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