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Adam Silver vs. one-and-dones is a brewing basketball war

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Adam Silver vs. one-and-dones is a brewing basketball war
By Ethan Sears

NBA commissioner Adam Silver’s newest priority — once he solves the rest issue, that is — is stopping the ever-expanding flow of one-and-done players from college hoops to the pros.

In an appearance Wednesday on Colin Cowherd’s radio show, “The Herd,” Silver said he’s “rethinking” the NBA’s position on the controversial rule, put in place by his predecessor, David Stern, last decade to stop players from entering into the draft out of high school by increasing the league’s minimum age to 19.

Traditionally, Silver said, the league has advocated for an increase in the minimum age from 19 to 20 with the union lobbying to drop it back to 18. Silver said he and union director Michele Roberts now will “turn back to this age issue” after tabling it during negotiations on the latest Collective Bargaining Agreement.

“What’s happening now, even at the best schools, they enroll in those universities — some great universities — and they attend those universities until either they don’t make the Tournament, and the last game therefore of their freshmen seasons, or they lose or win in the NCAA Tournament, that becomes their last day. So in essence, it’s a half-and-done. Half a school year and they go on,” Silver said.

“I worry about potential stunted development in a player’s most important years [as a result of the current system].”

Ben Simmons, the first overall pick in the 2016 draft, is a classic case of the half-and-done example Silver said he is worried about. After LSU’s 2015-16 season ended in unceremonious fashion, Simmons pulled a disappearing act on his professors for the rest of the school year to devote his time to preparing for the draft. (Simmons proceeded to miss the entire NBA season with the 76ers after breaking a foot on his still-growing body.) Others, such as second-year Nuggets point guard Emmanuel Mudiay, have skipped college altogether, opting to play their would-be one-and-done year as a professional overseas. An odd technicality allowed Thon Maker to become a 19-year-old project lottery pick of the Bucks straight out of high school.

The end result has been, in many cases, an annual class of draftees who still aren’t ready to make immediate, meaningful contributions. Rookies often struggle badly on defense and have major kinks to work out on the offensive end, even when taken at the top of the draft. This hurts the NBA’s bottom line, especially as big-market stalwarts like the Los Angeles Lakers wait for their young players (looking at you, D’Angelo Russell and Brandon Ingram) to develop.

Silver confessed he is unsure what the solution to the one-and-done problem might be. He suggested top college coaches and athletic directors should have a role in shaping a new paradigm in which the players’ goal is to win an NCAA championship as much as it is to up their draft stock. Good luck with that.
 
Here is an out of the box solution (with some flaws I am sure lol)- but maybe make the NBA draft only 1 round?
 
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I still think the best rule in place today is the rule for college baseball . You can decide to go pro straight from HS but if you go to college you must stay thru your junior year . I believe that you would see less players who would choose the option of going straight to the pros from HS as fewer NBA teams would select a HS player except for the very top elite players and that would allow the college player to see his skills mature and improve his chance at an NBA career.
 
Students may prep another year or go overseas for a year and make money, no?
 
I like that Dan. You just wonder if it protects enough kids from making bad decisions.
 
I still think the best rule in place today is the rule for college baseball . You can decide to go pro straight from HS but if you go to college you must stay thru your junior year . I believe that you would see less players who would choose the option of going straight to the pros from HS as fewer NBA teams would select a HS player except for the very top elite players and that would allow the college player to see his skills mature and improve his chance at an NBA career.
Not true you can go juco and be drafted the next year, you can also be a 21 yo soon and get drafted
 
If kids don't want to go to school. I don't understand the logic of forcing them. They don't do this is any other sport other basketball and football.

Or here is a thought if a kid doesn't get drafted or doesn't like his position why not allow him to go back to school.
 
The union will never allow this but for me the absolute best solution is do what baseball does.

Let the kids decide whether to go directly to the NBA out of HS or play 3 years in college before becoming eligible for the NBA,

I like the baseball rule, but it works for baseball because they have minor league system for all these players to develop. If done in basketball, will it just drive more kids who are not really ready for the NBA to declare as they don't want to spend 3 years in college?
 
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Develop the D-League into a true minor league (it's getting there) that encourages would-be prospects to play there instead of college. Of course the D-League doesn't have the TV contracts and potential audience that the college game has, so sponsors (which truly drive the business of the sport) will continue to invest in the college game.
 
I like the baseball rule, but it works for baseball because they have minor league system for all these players to develop. If done in basketball, will it just drive more kids who are not really ready for the NBA to declare as they don't want to spend 3 years in college?
There is no perfect solution. The commissioner went on Fox and said that himself a couple of days ago.

Bottom line, you have to make multiple entities with opposing viewpoints happy meaning you need to compromise to do that.

Some may disagree and that's understandable but I like the baseball rule and think that's the best compromise solution.
 
To me the best solution is to allow kids to enter the "professional" ranks straight out of high school, and those entering college would follow the three year rule MLB has. By professional ranks, I mean playing overseas, the D league or even an E League. Funding would come from the NBA and the NCAA. Therein lies the problem. Despite what they say for the NBA, the colleges are their minor league system sans any cost to them. For the NCAA ,they are not truly interested in academics or athletic integrity, but rather just ratings and the next media contract. I would rather see the athletic scholarship go to someone who is going to to class and practices for at least three years, than the individual who at best may do enough academically to get through one season.
 
Silver has said he wants the one and done rule changed but noted that he has to go through the NBA player's union first and that will be difficult.
 
To me the best solution is to allow kids to enter the "professional" ranks straight out of high school, and those entering college would follow the three year rule MLB has. By professional ranks, I mean playing overseas, the D league or even an E League. Funding would come from the NBA and the NCAA. Therein lies the problem. Despite what they say for the NBA, the colleges are their minor league system sans any cost to them. For the NCAA ,they are not truly interested in academics or athletic integrity, but rather just ratings and the next media contract. I would rather see the athletic scholarship go to someone who is going to to class and practices for at least three years, than the individual who at best may do enough academically to get through one season.
The NCAA won't spend a dime on the D-League and doesn't want any of their sponsors to spend a penny on the D-League. They rule the pre-NBA market and want that to remain.
 
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The NBA owners have a free, no cost farm system. It's the colleges and universities in the US and it's the pro leagues internationally which produce the players that wind up on NBA rosters. Why spend money when you don't have to.
 
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I believe what needs to done is that high school kids should be eligible for the draft and like in baseball they can either sign or not. If they do not sign with the NBA they should be allowed to enter college and put there name in after two years. If they are not drafted or if they do not like who picked them they can continue to play in college and enter the draft each of the next two years. This would give the atheletes the ultimate freedom and would protect them from making a mistake.
 
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Beside changing the one and done rule the NBA should also reduce the time that players have to decide when to take their names out of the draft.

Do that and move up the NBA camp for the players invited.

Schools are being held hostage by the NBA draft and there's no reason dates can't be moved to aid both the player and the school.
 
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...he-conversation-one-done-rule-happening-again

Everyone seems to agree one-and-done is bad, but will it finally change?

The one-and-done rule hasn't hurt Kansas basketball. But has it hurt the sport itself? Brett Rojo-USA TODAY Sports
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Just before former LSU star Tyrus Thomas declared for the NBA draft in 2006, the local utility company cut the lights off at the home of the grandmother who raised him.

He'd entered his first official year of college basketball as just another redshirt hoping to make an impact. And then, he averaged 12.3 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 3.1 BPG and 1.0 SPG in the 2005-06 season for LSU, a stat line that changed his life.

The Portland Trail Blazers selected Thomas, the star of that year's NCAA tournament, with the fourth pick in the 2006 NBA draft before trading him to the Chicago Bulls, who signed him to a four-year, $15 million contract that changed the financial fortunes of his family.

As the first freshman to turn pro after one season of competition at the collegiate level following the NBA's new age limit restrictions, Thomas kicked off the controversial one-and-done era. His college experience, he said, didn't prepare him for the NBA.

"I got drafted in June, but in January, I wasn't even thinking about the NBA," Thomas told ESPN.com. "Six months changed my life. College wasn't structured in any way similar to the NBA except for the demand of the time."

More than a decade later, NBA commissioner Adam Silver has announced a renewed effort to address the NBA's age limit -- currently 19 years old for draftees -- a development that could change college basketball. He claims too many prospects enter the league unprepared.

On "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" last week, Silver said he's "rethinking" his position on the age limit. He called the process "half and done" for freshmen who turn pro after their first seasons on campus, suggesting the players in that pool fail to make academics a priority.

"I don't think it's fair to characterize them as going to one year of school," Silver said on Cowherd's show.

Silver also warned of the problems the age limit creates for all parties, including college coaches and athletic directors who've complained to him about the rule. He cited the change from two "one-and-done" players in the initial 2006 NBA draft to nearly two dozen projected to secure contracts in this summer's NBA draft.

It's clear he wants change. Perhaps something more complex than his previous pleas for a system that would force college athletes to stay in school for two years, a process he and other NBA leaders believe would help both players and their prospective franchises by delivering a more polished competitor to the next level. College coaches have adapted to the turbulence that accompanies the one-and-done culture. Many would prefer more year-to-year stability, even if that would demand reopening the pipeline of high school athletes to the NBA, an idea Silver seems willing to analyze. That's why Silver said he wants college coaches to participate in the upcoming conversations about changing the rule.

"They're not happy with the current system," he said. "And I know our teams aren't happy either, in part because they don't necessarily think that the players coming into the league are getting the kind of training that they would expect to see among top draft picks in the league."

Any attempt to offer consensus about the attitude of college coaches and officials on the one-and-done culture will fall short, because it doesn't exist.
 
Some of those who oppose the current age limit and want it raised prefer to discuss their thoughts in private or off the record, because they fear they might deter the five-star recruits who might only last a season but could change their programs.

"I have been disappointed, because I really believe a lot of college coaches feel that if we question the rule, we're saying we're not in favor of young players getting opportunities," said Florida State coach Leonard Hamilton, who helped freshman Jonathan Isaac develop into a projected top-10 pick. "No question, the one-and-done culture has created some problems."

Others want high school stars to have the option to turn pro if they're talented enough to make the jump. So when Silver said the age limit is "not working" at the collegiate level, he did not speak for all. It's an ongoing conversation and debate among the NCAA's leaders.

"I would say, for [Kansas], the rule has worked," Kansas coach Bill Self said. "But we have to figure out what's best for our sport."

It's not just the handful of powerhouses who've signed multiple elite freshmen in recent years challenging Silver's claims about the rule's impact on the game.

"I think they should be able to go right from high school if they want to," Iowa State coach Steve Prohm said. "I think it's working fine on our end. Just a part of the business. I would love to have a couple [one-and-dones]."

Seven Kansas players have turned pro in the one-and-done era under Self. Most contributed to his current streak of 13 consecutive Big 12 championships. Self says most also were ready to play in the NBA after high school.

"Andrew Wiggins, Josh Jackson ... I would say they were ready to be paid out of high school," he said. "They were certainly ready to be paid, without question."

That's why Self is open to allowing players to compete in the NBA after high school, assuming they receive the proper information before they make their decisions, a sentiment echoed by multiple coaches contacted by ESPN.com.

"If guys want to go pro out of high school, let them," Georgia Tech coach Josh Pastner said. "But one-and-done is fine if they can't go out of high school."

If they choose to attend college, others favor the popular two-and-done idea with a new age limit of 20 years old touted by Silver in recent years.

"Two years, I think it would be a good rule," Self said.

Shaka Smart just lost Texas freshman Jarrett Allen, a projected first-round pick, to the NBA draft. Smart's incoming recruiting class is anchored by Mohamed Bamba, ranked third in the 2017 class by ESPN.com. Next summer, Bamba could enter the 2018 NBA draft and force Smart to find a new freshman center for the third consecutive season. Still, he opposes any age limit that would restrict an NBA-ready athlete from pursuing his goals at the next level.

"There's really no one-size-fits-all model," Smart said. "Kids should be able to do what their true value dictates, like in anything else in life."

Andy Enfield, an NBA assistant before his stints at Florida Gulf Coast and now USC, could face his first one-and-done scenario next season if five-star recruit Charles O'Bannon Jr. decides to enter the NBA draft.

Enfield said he hopes his players make wise decisions if they choose to turn pro. He has experienced the benefits and setbacks of the draft process during his time at USC.

Last summer, former USC standouts Julian Jacobs and Nikola Jovanovic both went undrafted. This year, Bennie Boatwright withdrew from the NBA draft, strengthening a USC squad that should enter next season as a top-15 team.

"I'm all for individual players trying to make a living in the NBA, but it seems that too many underclassmen stay in the draft and do not get drafted," Enfield said.

Thomas said he never knew what to expect out of college. He said NBA execs spoke with his grandmother, who didn't understand everything the jump to the league entailed for a 19-year-old with a year of college basketball competition on his resume. He had limited information and few details.

Today, as someone who is forever linked -- mistakenly, considering he redshirted before he made the leap to the next level -- to the NBA's one-and-done culture, Thomas also wants change. But the two-and-done idea, which would give prospects another year of school, wouldn't make life easier on them, he said.

"What are you going to implement in the college system to prepare them?" Thomas said. "An extra year to do what?"

That's a good question for Silver and the leaders at the next level.

Whatever happens, college coaches hope they're included in the conversations and discussions.

"I think that would be important," Baylor's Scott Drew said.

Hamilton agreed. He said Silver's gesture signals a significant moment for all levels of the game.

"I applaud Adam Silver for at least having the wherewithal to have the discussion," he said. "We need to have the discussion where we see what's best for the game of basketball."
 
The nba has the no cost college hoops to develop talent and publicize their future stars.

And as a college hoops fan, thank God for that!
 
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