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Ambassador Susan Rice U.S. National Security Advisor

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The Donald M. Payne, Sr. Lecture Series and the School of Diplomacy and International Relations World Leaders Forum will Present

Ambassador Susan Rice U.S. National Security Advisor
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Thursday, April 30, 2015
1 p.m.
Jubilee Hall Auditorium, Seton Hall University
South Orange, New Jersey

Hosted by the School of Diplomacy and International Relations and the Donald M. Payne, Sr. Global Foundation.

Seating is limited and a ticket is necessary to attend.
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Please note: Due to security concerns and pressing matters of state, the time and location of the event are subject to change. In the case of these circumstances, notification emails will be sent out promptly.
 
I'm ashamed of my University for inviting her. Wrong Board to state the multiple reasons why but start with Benghazi movie fiction. The BOR should all resign if they allow this to happen.
 
Originally posted by Vegas pj:
I'm ashamed of my University for inviting her. Wrong Board to state the multiple reasons why but start with Benghazi movie fiction. The BOR should all resign if they allow this to happen.
fat chance BOR will resign... I wonder which lies she will share with us.
 
Rutgers inviting Snooki to speak was less embarrassing than this.
 
Just another example of more incompetence shown by the BOR...at least you can say they have a perfect record. I am embarassed for my school.
 
If you're the diplomacy school and you're able to get a speaker who currently holds the position she does, you get that speaker. I don't agree with a lot of the current president's stances internationally, but I'm glad the school is willing to bring people on campus regardless of political affiliation. Having the opportunity to be exposed to different viewpoints and leaders in the industry is big for the students.

Also, Cardinal O'Malley will be speaking on campus a week earlier. No outrage for his appearance from people on this thread, I imagine.
 
While I find our foreign policy under this administration bordering on inept I believe that anytime a University , especially it's School of Diplomacy , can have a National Security Advisor as a guest speaker it's worthwhile. You certainly don't have to agree with what she says nor with the positions and policies she's implemented but you lose nothing by hearing her speak and if she takes questions from the audience, and you're there , ask her the question you think is important.
 
Originally posted by Pirate6711:
If you're the diplomacy school and you're able to get a speaker who currently holds the position she does, you get that speaker. I don't agree with a lot of the current president's stances internationally, but I'm glad the school is willing to bring people on campus regardless of political affiliation. Having the opportunity to be exposed to different viewpoints and leaders in the industry is big for the students.

Also, Cardinal O'Malley will be speaking on campus a week earlier. No outrage for his appearance from people on this thread, I imagine.
I don't like Susan Rice at all but I agree with Pirate6711. If you have a School of Diplomacy you want to expose students to all viewpoints and let them decide what they believe and do not. A University should be a place to listen to various ideas and getting someone who is currently serving in this position is big. It's just like when a certain University protested over Condoleeza Rice speaking at their graduation. She was the first African American Secretary of State ever and a very accomplished diplomat and they protested and looked bad doing it. They also should have allowed her to speak. The right and left in this country is too quick to shut down speakers or listen to different viewpoints because they do not agree and as a result, both sides are hypocrites.
 
112, I'll only speak for myself, but this is not about political party IMO. Rice was a central party in Benghazi response and communication which many questions remain. Pick your Republican involved in a comparable situation or scandal and I would feel the same way.
 
I'll save the liberals the time.....You all are sexist racist neanderthals. lol. (no other defense)
 
Section 112, that's the problem. They DO NOT get exposed all points of view.

Most of what they hear is from the far left, frequently the lies of the radical/communist left. And students compliantly swallow the tall tales whole.

For example, a representative from the communist Cuban government spoke at SHU. Did SHU bring in somebody to present a counterpoint? Would students even tolerate listening to a speaker talking against dear old Uncle Fidel and Kindly Cousin Raul? In many universities, such speakers get shouted down.

Are these students ever going to learn that over the last century communists murdered at least 60 million human beings? That's a conservative estimate. The number is likely closer to 100 million deaths.

What happened when Christie spoke at SHU? Many students turned their backs on the governor. They didn't even want to listen.

They're going to bring in Rice who is undeniably hard left. What would happen if, for example, Donald Rumsfeld came to speak? I think we all know what would happen.

Yes, let them listen to different opinions. But that's not what's happening.
 
Seton Hall has a highly touted relationship with the United Nations. Let's take a look at some of the countries on their Human Rights Council:

China, Cuba, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Vietnam.
 
Look I think Benghazi is a massive cover up and said BS when they first released that it was in response to a video. Most idiots can figure that out. I also despise Susan Rice. But a school of diplomacy teaches negotiation with counterparts that you do not agree with and that should be part of what they expose the kids to whether they agree or disagree with the speakers point of view.

I just hope that she allows Q&A and some folks ask her some tough questions which she will most likely not answer. But I also hope the School of Diplomacy is open to someone with different points of view as well and gets them to speak too. Most Schools of Diplomacy will err on the left and side with corrupt organizations like the UN but again if a kid wants to get involved in this kind of thing politics is usually at the heart of it.
 
112, you wrote that "The right and left in this country is too quick to shut down speakers or listen to different viewpoints because they do not agree..."

In universities that is categorically not accurate.

It is the left that is intolerant and consistently shouts down and protests speakers. The ratio has to be at least 10-1.

You simply cannot argue otherwise if you want to be honest.

Most professors come from the left perspective. It is also undeniable that the church is hard left. The Pope doesn't even try to hide it. That is, of course, ironic because of the historical repression by communists against the church.

BTW, I'm independent and I have been for over 15 years. In fact, I don't even vote in primaries anymore because in NJ you automatically get registered for a political party if you vote in a primary.
 
Originally posted by Section112:

Look I think Benghazi is a massive cover up and said BS when they first released that it was in response to a video. Most idiots can figure that out. I also despise Susan Rice. But a school of diplomacy teaches negotiation with counterparts that you do not agree with and that should be part of what they expose the kids to whether they agree or disagree with the speakers point of view.

I just hope that she allows Q&A and some folks ask her some tough questions which she will most likely not answer. But I also hope the School of Diplomacy is open to someone with different points of view as well and gets them to speak too. Most Schools of Diplomacy will err on the left and side with corrupt organizations like the UN but again if a kid wants to get involved in this kind of thing politics is usually at the heart of it.
112, perhaps if you are going to invite a person like Rice (because of her involvement in Benghazi), you invite someone with an opposing view and aim to have a civil discussion that teaches negotiation, diplomacy, etc.

I'm certainly not opposed to differing points of view, in fact, it's healthy, but to use the famous line with Rice..."too soon". Hypothetically, would it had been a good idea to invite Bill Clinton to speak on women's rights a year or two after the Monica Lewinski affair?
 
Originally posted by 400SOAVE:
112, you wrote that "The right and left in this country is too quick to shut down speakers or listen to different viewpoints because they do not agree..."

In universities that is categorically not accurate.

It is the left that is intolerant and consistently shouts down and protests speakers. The ratio has to be at least 10-1.

You simply cannot argue otherwise if you want to be honest.

Most professors come from the left perspective. It is also undeniable that the church is hard left. The Pope doesn't even try to hide it. That is, of course, ironic because of the historical repression by communists against the church.

BTW, I'm independent and I have been for over 15 years. In fact, I don't even vote in primaries anymore because in NJ you automatically get registered for a political party if you vote in a primary.
So it was the intolerant people on the left at Seton Hall that has forced the many cancellations of politicians with a D after their names??
 
6711, I was talking about universities nationwide.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but at SHU most of those incidents concern the issue of abortion. Those speakers should have also been allowed to make their presentations.

You cannot deny that overwhelmingly, the intolerance is against conservative speakers.

BTW, for more one-sided lectures from the left, there's another one at SHU tonight about "Islamaphobia."



http://events.shu.edu/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=6135&information_id=17575&type=&syndicate=syndicate
 
As a counterpoint, would SHU ever invite Brigitte Gabriel or David Horowitz?

It's highly doubtful.
 
I dont want to get into this at all because its a mindless exercise on a message board. However, the idea that American universities are predominately "left or leftist" is the one of the greatest myths going.

You might have some progressives in certain areas of faculty like History, English, Philosophy etc. But leftists? no very few and far between.

Also they dont let them anywhere near where most colleges bread is buttered meaning sciences, business schools, econ departments etc.

I know it is one example and but not at all encompassing but Howard Zinn one of the greatest American historians (if not the greatest) was never even allowed to be classified as a "historian" or in the "history department" at BU because of his left leanings.

In all of my classes at SHU I had a few progressive Prof. But maybe 1 actual leftist.

This post was edited on 4/8 2:53 PM by williaza01
 
Originally posted by 400SOAVE:
6711, I was talking about universities nationwide.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but at SHU most of those incidents concern the issue of abortion. Those speakers should have also been allowed to make their presentations.

You cannot deny that overwhelmingly, the intolerance is against conservative speakers.

BTW, for more one-sided lectures from the left, there's another one at SHU tonight about "Islamaphobia."
The Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) have a connection to this speaker. Look at the poster in the link above.
SJP would be the first ones to protest a conservative speaker, especially if that speaker was pro Israeli. The topic of Islamaphobia is a sham cover for anti Israeli diatribes. SJP has a history of protesting conservative speakers. Sheer hypocrisy.

If I was able to, I would attend the talk to hear for myself.



Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) is an anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian college student activism organization in the United States, Canada and New Zealand that has campaigned for boycott and divestment against corporations that deal with Israel, and organized various Palestine Awareness Week events that accuse Israel of war crimes, ethnic cleansing and genocide. (from Wikipedia)
 
On this BASKETBALL board the only important discussion that we should have is whether Ambassador Rice wants Coach Willard fired or not and what are her perspectives on our upcoming season. The other discussion should be taken to the off the board and complaints should be made to the appropriate people.
 
Originally posted by 400SOAVE:
BTW, I'm independent and I have been for over 15 years.
You are many things, most of them good. Independent is not one of those things.
 
williaza01, your comment made me literally laugh out loud.

"Progressive" is a nice euphemism for leftist. And leftists (not necessarily communists ) DOMINATE at universities nationwide, especially in the Ivy League and large state schools. You are correct that it applies to the social areas such as history, political science, English, philosophy, sociology, etc., and not so much to science and business.

A classic example is the mayor of NYC, a hard core leftist who actively supported the Sandinistas ( a group funded, trained, armed and manned with advisors from Cuba) and who honeymooned in Cuba. He calls himself a progressive.

Historically, a key strategy of the hard left is to deny, deny and deny what they are. When the Soviet archives opened up in the 1990s we learned about the deny, deny, deny strategy and their lies, lies and more lies.

Read some books and journals and you will learn about people like the late Nelson Mandela and Gerry Adams, two people welcomed in the U.S. who are beloved by communists. There's a statue of Adams in Havana and Mandela's ANC is well known for its close ties with Cuba and communism. But you won't read about it much in newspapers.

Did you know that there's a stutue of Gerry Adams in Havana honoring the Sein Fein leader?

Gus Hall led the NYC-based Communist Party USA for more than 40 years. He always denied the Soviets were behind his group. When those pesky Soviet archives were opened up by Boris Yeltsin, we learned the truth.

The point is that leftists in the U.S. never say they're leftists.
 
456, if I have said anything that's not historically accurate, please correct me. I know that cold, striking facts that contradict what's in the media or what's been read for years can be upsetting.

And, as I said, I do not belong to any political party. I want nothing to do with either. If you don't believe it, so be it. The ugly facts are what they are. They are undeniable, regardless of the perception they create.

Look, we've veered way off sports. But it's important because college students who may be reading this are so ignorant about history. They are well versed in Jim Crow and our use of napalm, but beyond that...
 
Solo, I'm old enough to have a large wall packed with books and I've read every page in those books... many of them 2-3 times... yet I feel that I've only just begun to learn.

This post was edited on 4/8 4:00 PM by 400SOAVE
 
I understand we will never come to an understanding and so be it. Don't condescend with comments like read some books and journalists.

My thesis was on the American Left in the 20th century which received honors designation by the University and allowed me to gain acceptance to a few Ph D programs as well as a few (small) speaking engagements.

They do not dominate. its asinine to make that statement. A leftist is someone who fundamentally opposes capitalism as a proper mode of social and economic order. People who believe this study it and teach it are very very small.

Also, it seems you are mixing communism (which it seems YOU mean sovietism) in for marxism as if they are synonyms. To which they are not.

Originally posted by 400SOAVE:
williaza01, your comment made me literally laugh out loud.

"Progressive" is a nice euphemism for leftist. And leftists (not necessarily communists ) DOMINATE at universities nationwide, especially in the Ivy League and large state schools. You are correct that it applies to the social areas such as history, political science, English, philosophy, sociology, etc., and not so much to science and business.

A classic example is the mayor of NYC, a hard core leftist who actively supported the Sandinistas ( a group funded, trained, armed and manned with advisors from Cuba) and who honeymooned in Cuba. He calls himself a progressive.

Historically, a key strategy of the hard left is to deny, deny and deny what they are. When the Soviet archives opened up in the 1990s we learned about the deny, deny, deny strategy and their lies, lies and more lies.

Read some books and journals and you will learn about people like the late Nelson Mandela and Gerry Adams, two people welcomed in the U.S. who are beloved by communists. There's a statue of Adams in Havana and Mandela's ANC is well known for its close ties with Cuba and communism. But you won't read about it much in newspapers.

Did you know that there's a stutue of Gerry Adams in Havana honoring the Sein Fein leader?

Gus Hall led the NYC-based Communist Party USA for more than 40 years. He always denied the Soviets were behind his group. When those pesky Soviet archives were opened up by Boris Yeltsin, we learned the truth.

The point is that leftists in the U.S. never say they're leftists.
 
Not declaring a political party makes one an independent for political classification, but it does not mean one has an independent thought process.

I, for one, applaud the school for inviting Susan Rice to speak. And, should the school somehow get Donald Rumsfeld to speak, I would applaud that too.
 
400SOAVE- This is not the time nor place for your political views. This board is a basketball discussion board and is used by many to get away from the everyday nonsense such as politics. Please if you want to further your political agenda don't do it here. Possibly get the e-mail addresses of the other parties involved and discuss it with them that way and leave this board to its escapism and fantasy basketball discussions.
 
OK, williaza, we'll have to agree to disagree. As you imply, these debates can go on and on.

You can stick to your academic textbook definitions of various economic and political philosophies.

To me, the historical reality of the left is their sympathetic and often active support for counties and dictators who kill people if they do not do what they want. And this kind of thinking is alive and well on many of the largest and most prominent campuses in the U.S.

It's amusing in a not-funny way that the Tea Party is regularly attacked as a radical right-wing monster, yet you never hear any equivalent characterization about the other side.

It's too bad that students are not having the kind of debate we're having here.

BTW, I'd love to read your thesis. Is it on-line or in Walsh Library? Can you post a link or the title?
 
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