Not really. Anyone is entitled to their own opinion, but none of us here know the whole story.
Another win for the criminals
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Not really. Anyone is entitled to their own opinion, but none of us here know the whole story.
Yes... There is another Walmart 2 miles from one of the locations that is closing.
So saying that they are closing ALL of their locations is exaggerating the impact.
Yep. They will either travel those extra 2 miles or go somewhere else.
Such is life. They will figure it out.
Merge since you asked, I was in Walmart store yesterday.They don’t need security in this store because it is in low crime area.As drug stores in particular keep moving out of no shoplifting enforcement areas people will likely admit it isn’t just Republicans who say crime can hurt an economy and people’s jobs.Stores move and jobs disappear.Democrats can’t even vote for a resolution condemning Socialism because so many on the left want to adopt it.Unfortunately it seems like it will take some time if this trend continues for moderate democrats to realize that redistribution of wealth as your long term strategy will result in lower standard of living for all.
But they have closed all the stores in the city limits. Why is that an exaggeration…it’s a fact.
Yep, that’s what happens when you close a store.
So the customer that doesn’t own a car…two miles…pretty insensitive.
We never do on anything. There's more to the Trump stories, there's more to the Hillary emails, pick any topic, I'll bet nobody knows the whole story on any topic debated on life off the ship.
It's arbitrary. If my favorite store closed and there was another one a few miles further.
Hell, it sounds like that one might even be much safer, right? Great news for these shoppers.
Walmart just cleared $143 billion in profit for 2022. Up $5 billion from 2021. Take that up with them.
I agree, it is pretty insensitive of them to close locations in that context. Didn't realize you were such an anti capitalist.
It’s not arbitrary…it’s fact. This has nothing to do with your favorite store. They closed all of their stores in the city limits that has a property crime rate at 3-5 times the average and short 300 cops and liberal shoplifting laws.
Right - and we'd find common ground on a lot of things like that we should not be letting people steal stuff from Walmart. We should have harsher penalties for theft etc...
You can have the opinion that Walmart is closing because of theft - that's fine. I think at the end of the day, if the sales volume of these stores was high, they would not be closing.
Again, Walmart's profit went up $5 billion dollars in 2022 from 2021. It's not like any of this theft they are talking about is crushing them. They are fine. They are just a business like any other business continuously looking at ways to generate the most value for their shareholders.
And yet they continue to have stores in other areas with crime rates greater than that with similar policing issues and similar shoplifting laws... why?
I don't know why they are closing, the only comments I made is there's plenty of reason to speak out against closing because of theft. I can see them closing for 5-10 reasons, low sales and theft make up just 2 of them but I trust they decision is based on whats best for their shareholders.
The bigger issue is like you've said they've closed 10 stores already this year. I don't know how many they've opened but so many people in big companies are being cut, that scares me for the big picture of the economy.
Have you not seen any of these groups of people, wearing masks going into stores and pillage? What do all these locations have in common? Ill answer for you. They are all in woke cities with woke DA's that will not prosecute shoplifters. They also are in the anti police cities where police officers are leaving in droves because they don't have support from their local government. These thieves know nothing will happen to them if caught, which is a big if because the police are basically told that they can not use force to arrest a suspect for "only" shoplifting. The local mayors are either so blinded by their woke views or are afraid to go after the thugs committing the thefts because they don't want to appear as racist.
The woke society protect the thief and sometimes glorifies him/her while making the people that enforce the laws look like the bad guys.
The woke society protect the thief and sometimes glorifies him/her while making the people that enforce the laws look like the bad guys.
Can you name some "pro police" cities where this doesn't happen?
Shoplifting is a difficult crime though. If you have a group stealing something worth $500 each, that is a misdemeanor in many states (felony though in NJ fwiw) and it happens so quickly that by the time you call the police the thieves are gone so you're relying on employees to put themselves at risk? For something that would end up as a misdemeanor if anything?
I'm not sure what you're referring to where the "woke society" glorifies thieves?
I agree with you we clearly need to do more to combat the problem though. We should not be letting people get away with that kind of theft.
lol...what cities in California. Kind of like the City of Portland has significantly higher theft issues than the rest of Oregon. Lame.
Can you name some "pro police" cities where this doesn't happen?
You see the group shoplifting in the same cities over and over. All of which happen to be run by very liberal mayors. Ex, Portland, San Fran, NY under Deblasio. You do not see that in places were punishment will be more than a slap on the wrist.
Shoplifting is a difficult crime though. If you have a group stealing something worth $500 each, that is a misdemeanor in many states (felony though in NJ fwiw)
NJ does not categorize offenses into felonies and misdemeanors. We have crimes and disorderly persons offenses. Also in NJ you cannot conspire to commit shoplifting since it is a disorderly persons offense.
I'm not sure what you're referring to where the "woke society" glorifies thieves?
Not thieves per say but they make criminals become the victims and glorify them. We tear down statues of Christopher Columbus but erect statues of George Floyd. Floyd was definitely a victim of police brutality and did not deserve to die at the hands of a criminal cop. But to erect statues of a man that was a career criminal who pointed a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach because he died after resisting arrest when an asshole sat on his neck is crazy. The cop did and should have gone to jail for the rest of his life. Floyd should be an example of how not to act, not an inspiration to minorities worldwide.
I agree with you we clearly need to do more to combat the problem though. We should not be letting people get away with that kind of theft.
If more people started with what they agree with instead of comparing their differences, a lot more would be accomplished. In order to combat mass shoplifting, we need to be tougher on crime and not minimize it because the value of items. We also have to do away with bail reform. Letting criminals out because they can't afford bail only lets the criminals more opportunity to commit crimes.
Of stores with more theft?
Google most theft at walmart locations. Will be a location that hasn't closed.
Google which Walmart location is the most dangerous. That will be a location that hasn't closed.
Google which Walmart receives the most police calls. That will be a location that hasn't closed.
Plenty of cities with higher crime rates that still have Walmarts.
Ultimately, it is not the crime, it is not the theft.. it is the sales.
Not that crime and theft are unimportant, they are... but if they are overcome by profit - the stores stay.
First of all, can you provide the links?
Second of all, it's not necessarily a binary answer. Theft rates can be high, but the revenue far exceeds the cost of shrinkage. We know for a fact that property crimes in the city of Portland where Walmart closed ALL of their stores is 3-5 times the national average. Do the thieves in Portland steer clear of Walmart?
You can't google?
How about St Louis Missouri, where theft is 3-5 times the national average and Walmart has three stores?
Or Memphis? Same thing.
Did you know Target just opened a new location in Portland this summer?
Couldn't it possibly be that these two stores just were no longer meeting internal metrics needed to stay open?
So you think Walmart's are closing because of crime, but a target opens? That doesn't really make much sense.
The fact is that you don't know how much theft was occurring at these Walmart locations. You can believe what you like, but there is no way for you to know if it is actually true or not.
Mr. Research can’t provide the link…lol
Kind of obvious that they have closed ALL of the stores in a city where they historically have had several. If sales were bad at one, it would be logical that those shoppers would go to the next closest. But they closed ALL of them in a high crime city that looks the other way on these crimes.
The fact is you haven’t produced any facts.
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A city limit is an imaginary line. It means nothing in regards to sales.
A store either sells or it doesn't.
Walmart doesn't care if Sales in store X are down when store Y is 2 miles away.
They aren't going to keep both open just because they are different towns.
They didn't "historically have several"
They had 2 in city limits. 5 in the surrounding area. Now they have non in city limits and 3 in the surrounding area.
Wow..imaginary lines? Is that how it works? Seems like the Portland Mayor (who is the mayor within those imaginary lines) has been soft on crime and prosecution of shop lifters. Maybe the store on the other side of that imaginary line is in an imaginary community that does arrest and prosecute (and have less crime)...making it more attractive for Walmart to keep that store open.
When two news outlets say "Last two stores" and "Remaining two stores", that doesn't sound like "only two stores" to me.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...t-closes-stores-portland-oregon-b2295365.html
https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/walma...land-stores-as-city-faces-shoplifting-crisis/
"Jeremy Girard of the Oregon Retail Crime Association told the outlet that shoplifting has reached a “crisis level” in Portland. He estimated that the worst-affected stores were losing as much as $5 million per year to theft."
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And yet... right in that first link...
"Decision blamed on lack of sales in city that favours independent and regional retailers"
The closures in Portland come as Walmart prepares to close 10 under-performing stores across the country, with other stores set to be shuttered in Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, New Mexico, Wisconsin, and Washington, DC. The company is also closing three of its tech hubs, including one in Portland.
Walmart has long been a target of ire for a segment of Portlanders. Residents organised efforts to keep Walmart locations out of their neighbourhoods in the 2000s and early last decade, and some 150 people protested at what was then the company’s only location in the city on Black Friday in 2012...
But go on with your theory... Must be the theft, not the poor sales.
Has nothing to do with stores closing in Portland. And wouldn't a store that has been hit with shoplifting be "underperforming"? Espercially when someone from the city that is quoted above specifically said shoplifting has reached a crisis level? I'm going to go with someone who lives there on this one....
Because protesters would never shoplift from a store that they don't want there....lol
Yup, I'm going to go with the news articles and local folks that have stated that rather than your baseless opinion.
It's that Walmart is closing 10 underperforming stores, but you link the theft issues to just the two stores in Portland.
There is really nothing to support that being the reason why Walmart closed two of their 5 stores in the surrounding area. We don't know what type of theft was occurring at that Walmart compared to others and we don't know what type of sales those Walmart's had compared to others.
Shoplifting is a problem in Portland. We agree there. Everything else here is a guess.
Just keep on repeating the same unrelated things. The last two stores by the way.
Other than the news articles and quotes I posted. Where are those links you referred?
