For the size of the investment, it’s imperative that this facility is marketed to the tilt for recruiting. I assume we’re building a beautiful place where players are going to want to live when they’re not in class, sleeping, etc.. There is no doubt that it’s all about $ for recruits, but I’m curious how the Athletic Department and Staff is going to make as much noise as they can about this. Seems very quiet.
Any updates on the practice facility?
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I agree it will be very very nice.
The problem is once it’s opened we will be basically back on par with most of our peers who will likely upgrade soon and we are back to subpar
Facilities are a literal arms race and we are 25 years late
I don't know about that. We complain all the time that SHU should have used the money for NIL instead of facilities....I don't see any of these schools spending big money on facilities in the near future. NIL is the new arms race.
No they will
Have you seen what’s going on in the SEC golf world in the last 18 months? And that’s golf
Facilities will continue to explode
Are you shocked we have not provided adequate updates or promotions on it. It is the SHU athletic department way of doing things!!!!
There is par
There is sub par
And then there is where we were.
Even if our peers move forward, we are still much better than where we have been in the past 50 years in terms of facilities.
Our facilities don't have to be the best. They do have to be good enough for us to compete. We more than have that now.
I agree..but the OP was contextualizing it as something we can sell and turn recruiting in our favor and it won’t do that
Will be opening in about 10 days or so. And nice doesn't cover it. It's spectacular.
feel like we've already seen pictures of it here.
is it open during off times for students to shoot hoops in or are they stuck on blue track? are we the only university that doesn't have a real basketball court for students? (walsh was only open every now and then when womens bball and vball weren't practicing.
is it open during off times for students to shoot hoops in or are they stuck on blue track? are we the only university that doesn't have a real basketball court for students? (walsh was only open every now and then when womens bball and vball weren't practicing.
If you think we will have the best facilities in college basketball or even the Big East, that is fine. It is not realistic. If you think we can keep up with Kentucky, UNC,or some of these other schools, fantastic. It just is not true.
I will say that no school in the Big East will improve their facilities as much as Seton Hall once our place opens. This place is outstanding. Considering what we are upgrading from, there are no words to describe the improvement.
darn , the rec doesn't have an actual floor. which makes us probably one of the only universities to not have a basketball court with a real floor.
Should be marketed constantly as a way to raise the profile and, secondly, combat the storyline that we’re a poverty school. But SHU doesn’t recognize this value and does zero marketing really. There’s nothing done with the media we just play basketball games poorly.
It’s a big positive in an awful season too.
It’s a big positive in an awful season too.
Who is the main person or persons who are setting our sports agenda especially the basketball program. I can’t point to one person with any sense of confidence and that. I see as a problem.
but at least the marketing majors are still learning about end caps at grocery stores...
Of course itnis something we can sell. I don't see the logic. This is a much easier sell than we have ever had in the past.
Ok that’s fair
I think op meant it as something that can give us a leg up now
I disagree it just takes away a massive negative used against us for 25 years
But I get your point
FWIW, and don’t shoot the messenger, some folks pretty connected to the prep/recruiting scene have told me the “facility stuff” matters as little as it ever has. They called it the “cherry on top”. Might impress, but in their view the real factors are now (a) money, (b) can the coach make me better and does he have a track record with development and (c) fit/winning/culture.
That’s obviously true, but it still matters, especially when you are upgrading from a basement gym.
Dan, do you know by any chance if Athletic Department will be doing any tours for PB donors at all? I think this is another important piece given that this year is going to be tough and someway to keep some excitement with the Donor base.
And Richmond and Davis certainly parlayed their time at Seton Hall into massive paydays.
First off many major donors will get the initial crack. Then plans are being made as we speak.
Bottom line, my gut is by spring we'll all in some form have access.
you love getting into semantics. splitting hairs. point is that it increases our chances at recruiting. if the money is the same then you may not have guys go elsewhere anymore based on how we come across as a program. it might cause someone to not go elsewhere aka choose seton hall.
but money definitely comes first.
So did Samuel.
And there’s several ways you can look into that, none of which a practice facility helps.
But I do think overall it helps as Lloyd said when you consider where we are going from. Another arrow in the recruiting-quiver.
Both things are true: If you want to be perceived as a major program, you need a place like this; it’s another asset. We’re not a school with money we need anything and anything to pitch and spin, see what sticks. It is also true facilities are no longer the driving factor they once were when players were committing to universities versus now just being one-year free agent mercenaries who can bail in a few months if they’re sick of dealing with the dregs of the basement of Walsh.
I don’t see why anyone would be upset that this investment was made. The timing sucked, of course. Cest la vie. But the timing may also be a convenient excuse to the mentality at The Hall; they could’ve done two things at once, rather they chose to handle NIL like it was grenade.
I don’t see why anyone would be upset that this investment was made. The timing sucked, of course. Cest la vie. But the timing may also be a convenient excuse to the mentality at The Hall; they could’ve done two things at once, rather they chose to handle NIL like it was grenade.
I understand what the coaches are saying about facilities, but that is when the facilities are acceptable. We DID NOT have acceptable facilities and there is no doubt it hurt us in many cases. We now have taken that deficit away. There are other factors of course.
I agree. My point is I think it hurt us way more in the past. Having an awesome practice facility can only be a positive. There is no downside.
There’s no reason to not do this. It’s great and I like the replica brick they sent you.
Ever been to Princeton?
I am fully in support of the University not building and maintaining a real hardwood court solely for a bunch of intramural hacks to enjoy.
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its not just for intramural. anyone one campus. some places have composite hardwood, which is still way better than blue rubber .
you make having a dedicated gym for basketball sound like a wild concept. there are times you cant even use the blue gym because of events, practices, rotc, cheer, etc.
You old enough to remember the bubble!!!......Blacktop courts, and one on a major slant. I could almost jam on one court if I had a full head of steam, must been a coupe of inches low. We were getting shelacked in an intramural game by one of the Black guys' teams (Black A and Bs as I remember). I picked off a pass, went in for the layup. Beautiuful fingerroll right at the rim. Next day while at work in the Student Cener, one of the guys on that team said he and his teammates wondered why I didnt dunk.
THEY THOUGHT I COUNT DUNK!!! LOL
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You make it sound like everyone has a regulation hardwood court to play on. Princeton doesn't, either, and they are fairly well endowed.
Before the blue floor, it was red. That red floor lasted from when they built it, back in the 80s, to maybe 10 years ago. I don't know if hardwood can serve as a multi-sport surface as well, for as little money and maintenance, but I suspect that's why they do it. We spent a lot of time shooting hoops on that red court, and it never bothered me. It was less ideal for floor hockey.
seems like a typical answer of why seton hall cant instead of why seton hall can. they probably didn't even evaluate it or put any thought like the rest of the student experience.
forget the hardwood. was thinking more so dedicated spaces for students. instead of just shove eveyone to the blue , not really made for everything, gym that sometimes is unavailable.
princeton has prioritized other amenities , shu is prioritizing nothing. Loyola is a smaller school than SHU and does really well with it
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