As I see it

[Halldan1]

1. Villanova 22-3 12-1 - The beat goes on. Even another loss might keep them here

2. Xavier 22-3 10-3 - Badly needed the Butler win to get back their mojo



3. Providence 19-7 7-6 - By a thread

4. Seton Hall 17-7 7-5 - By that same thread

5. Creighton 17-9 8-5 - Great job by McDermott

6. Butler 17-8 6-7 - Should be better

7. Georgetown 14-12 7-6 - Speaking of should be better



8. Marquette 16-10 5-8 - Young but still disappointing



9. DePaul 8-16 2-10 4-14 - Get the feeling they're gonna screw someone down the stretch



10.St. John's 7-19 0-13 - Can't see this group screwing anyone.

 

[SPK145]

Agree completely.

None of the teams in the 3-7 group appear to be solid tournament teams but someone has to make it.

 

[sportsfantatic44]

Very possible only 3 teams make tourney. Would be awful for league.

 

[dmwisc&illinois]

I think Butler may be #3 in strength, due to advantages in coaching, good cohesion among veteran players, and the emergence of Keland Martin as a first team BE star.

Many of the losses for Butler occurred while they were very short handed, due to the temporary loss of their injured starting Point Guard.

Until we beat Butler, they have an advantage due to the win over SHU at our home court.

 

[SPK145]

Butler PG missed 4 games in which Butler went 2-2, he's not even that good.

Butler isn't that good, under .500 in the BE.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

1. Villanova 22-3 12-1 - The beat goes on. Even another loss might keep them here

2. Xavier 22-3 10-3 - Badly needed the Butler win to get back their mojo



3. Providence 19-7 7-6 - By a thread

4. Seton Hall 17-7 7-5 - By that same thread

5. Creighton 17-9 8-5 - Great job by McDermott

6. Butler 17-8 6-7 - Should be better

7. Georgetown 14-12 7-6 - Speaking of should be better



8. Marquette 16-10 5-8 - Young but still disappointing



9. DePaul 8-16 2-10 4-14 - Get the feeling they're gonna screw someone down the stretch



10.St. John's 7-19 0-13 - Can't see this group screwing anyone.

nova wins out i'd give them number one overall seed, if not i really see kansas making a big run to close the season

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Agree completely.

None of the teams in the 3-7 group appear to be solid tournament teams but someone has to make it.

pc is in unless a big losing streak comes up, shu/butler combo would also put them into a pool with all other at large considerations; they do not arb look at big east and say 3 bid league

 

[NYShoreGuy]

sec looks like 4 teams right now, pac-12 looks like 6 and they have some great rpis, big 12 has 6 locks and if ttech gets to .500 in conf maybe a 7th, acc will have 5 minimum, 7 max

 

[Shuathelete]

sec looks like 4 teams right now, pac-12 looks like 6 and they have some great rpis, big 12 has 6 locks and if ttech gets to .500 in conf maybe a 7th, acc will have 5 minimum, 7 max

A&M is pulling a seton hall. no matter what ben simmons is going to make the tournament because TV money baby, so hope LSU wins out and A&M loses out.

 

[Shuathelete]

9. DePaul 8-16 2-10 4-14 - Get the feeling they're gonna screw someone down the stretch

I WONDER WHO THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE

 

[mjs428]

Prov is a lock based on perception. The NCAA isn't gonna take Dunn/Bentil? LOL

 

[TomD82]

sec looks like 4 teams right now, pac-12 looks like 6 and they have some great rpis, big 12 has 6 locks and if ttech gets to .500 in conf maybe a 7th, acc will have 5 minimum, 7 max

NYS,
I agree with your assessment of the other conferences. Texas A&M has lost 5 straight SEC games and is ranked because the SEC is much deeper then when UK just ran through the conference. The PAC 12 is much deeper too. A few years ago you had Washington as regular season champs not make the NCAA. SPK might be right that the Big East could only get 3 teams.

 

[SPK145]

SPK might be right that the Big East could only get 3 teams.

I never said that, 4 will make it, maybe 5 but after the top 2, the rest are real shaky tournament picks, none of them scare me.

 

[shu09]

Agree with Dan's post. Exactly as I have it, gaps included.

 

[MBF72]

St. John's will win at least one BE game. Hope it isn't next Sunday.

Remember, the beat Syracuse in the Garden in Dec.

1. Villanova 22-3 12-1 - The beat goes on. Even another loss might keep them here

2. Xavier 22-3 10-3 - Badly needed the Butler win to get back their mojo



3. Providence 19-7 7-6 - By a thread

4. Seton Hall 17-7 7-5 - By that same thread

5. Creighton 17-9 8-5 - Great job by McDermott

6. Butler 17-8 6-7 - Should be better

7. Georgetown 14-12 7-6 - Speaking of should be better



8. Marquette 16-10 5-8 - Young but still disappointing



9. DePaul 8-16 2-10 4-14 - Get the feeling they're gonna screw someone down the stretch



10.St. John's 7-19 0-13 - Can't see this group screwing anyone.

 

[PeterN]

IMO SHU is #3 over Providence based on momentum.

 

[HALL85]

IMO SHU is #3 over Providence based on momentum.

We lost our last game and they won their last game...momentum?

 

[Halldan1]

Kenpom


1 Villanova

2 Xavier

3 Seton Hall

4 Creighton

5 Butler

6 Providence

7 Georgetown

8 Marquette

9 DePaul

10 St. John's

 

[hallgrad80]

Other then Nova and X and the way Creighton has overachieved the rest of the Conference is mediocre at best. With the 2016 classes Nova and X are bringing in looks like they will continue to be our top two teams.

 

[TheBluePirate]

Agree completely.

None of the teams in the 3-7 group appear to be solid tournament teams but someone has to make it.

Harsh but fair.

 

[Halldan1]

Other then Nova and X and the way Creighton has overachieved the rest of the Conference is mediocre at best. With the 2016 classes Nova and X are bringing in looks like they will continue to be our top two teams.

Jerry, don't you think SHU has also overachieved? They were just a few votes from a prediction of 9th place in the league.

IMO where I thought the teams would be nationally.

Creighton - Overachieved

Seton Hall - Overachieved

Nova - Slightly overachieved

Xavier - Slightly overachieved

Providence - About as expected

Marquette - About as expected

DePaul - About as expected

St John's - Slightly underachieved

Butler - Greatly underachieved

Georgetown - Greatly underachieved

 

[garyshu71]

The entire league needs to rethink the OOC , get some balls and go out and beat some quality teams to avoid this situation with the mediocre on the bubble RPI's. Seton Hall is one of the worst violators. Hard to improve our RPI against all these teams situated higher than us. I still think it will come down to TBET for these teams that are bunched needing the extra wins in MSG most likely against each other one more time.

 

[statenman]

It's not Willards fault that we didn't play Virginia, that Witchita wasn't as highly ranked as expected, and that we just don't get the opportunities to play teams that we really want at home.

 

[mjs428]

It falls on Willard for banking on playing Virginia & for not having anybody else on the schedule.

 

[shupat08]

We have to be able to play better comp than Troy, Dartmouth, Wagner & USF.

There are like 200-250 better bball programs than them in the nation.

It shouldn't be as hard as SHU keeps saying it is.

 

[mjs428]

We really did a home and home with USF. How people on this board actually think that's ok for SH is crazy to me.

People continue to talk about how Ole Miss & Georgia are great wins. They are NOT. Beating average teams are good for a NIT resume not a NCAA one.

Once we were not selected for the Big Eat - Big 10 challenge, why didn't Willard go out and schedule a decent team.

Only for SH is creating a schedule hard.

 

[garyshu71]

It's not Willards fault that we didn't play Virginia, that Witchita wasn't as highly ranked as expected, and that we just don't get the opportunities to play teams that we really want at home.

Play them on the road. Make deals with the big five and A ten teams. There is a lot more that could be done. 280 OOC schedule?? There is no excuse for that with this team being pretty darn good. Man up.

 

[Proff Ed]

There are so many A10 teams within a 4 hour drive or a 90 minute plane ride. There are many quality teams that we could play in place of Troy. Wagner, USF etc..

 

[bd98]

It's not just not getting to play Virginia that will kill them, it's who replaced Virginia on the schedule. You didn't replace them with an ordinary team, you replaced them with Bradley, one of the very worst teams in the country. That's like chugging a gallon of RPI and SOS poison.

 

[NYC Pirate]

There's not too much that SHU can do about this at the moment. Let's not forget we did play
the "symbolic" #1 team in the nation 2 times within 14 days.

I really feel this is a better BigEast this year. Providence, Butler, Gtown and Marquette are in 5-8th place
right now. Some bigtime talent on all of those teams. So that's 18 regular season games and 1 BE tournament
game against solid NCAA programs . That's including the top 5 team in Xavier.

I understand the point is about OOC and that's valid, but we are in a conference where you can be a top
50 team and easily have 8 or 9 conference losses.

Seton Hall has to take some blame for not getting some marquee matchups at Prudential. We have a
state of the art facility and they can't figure a way to get it done. In addition the coaching staff has to
go play better teams and at some tough venues. If IW stays for another year they should go play a bigtime
program on the road next year. Games like Wichita St. at home create the buzz and are good for business.
It would be great to play a Duke or Kentucky at Prudential. The loyal fans deserve it.

 

[garyshu71]

There's not too much that SHU can do about this at the moment. Let's not forget we did play
the "symbolic" #1 team in the nation 2 times within 14 days.

I really feel this is a better BigEast this year. Providence, Butler, Gtown and Marquette are in 5-8th place
right now. Some bigtime talent on all of those teams. So that's 18 regular season games and 1 BE tournament
game against solid NCAA programs . That's including the top 5 team in Xavier.

I understand the point is about OOC and that's valid, but we are in a conference where you can be a top
50 team and easily have 8 or 9 conference losses.

Seton Hall has to take some blame for not getting some marquee matchups at Prudential. We have a
state of the art facility and they can't figure a way to get it done. In addition the coaching staff has to
go play better teams and at some tough venues. If IW stays for another year they should go play a bigtime
program on the road next year. Games like Wichita St. at home create the buzz and are good for business.
It would be great to play a Duke or Kentucky at Prudential. The loyal fans deserve it.

It may be a better bunch of teams on paper but the RPI's say as a group they didn't go out a prove it outside the conference. . I can now say for a fact that the BE office is very concerned about how many teams will dance this year. A-10 teams and others with better RPI's are hoping to knock us out of the 4th and 5th bids so many people expect TBEC to be handed on a platter.

 

[PeterN]

We lost our last game and they won their last game...momentum?

Providence has two wins in their last six games.

 

[SHUBK]

Providence has two wins in their last six games.

I think they are the most overrated team in the country. Hopefully I am right and we are able to beat them at home

 

[Merge]

I think they are the most overrated team in the country. Hopefully I am right and we are able to beat them at home

They were never as good as their ranking. Unfortunately I feel that way about the BE teams in the top 25.

I think Nova is a legit top 10 team. Not saying they didn't earn their ranking but I could name several teams that would win on a neutral court. Xavier is another very good team with few weaknesses but I would realistically put them about 15, and PC is probably hovering around 25.

Good teams but I'm not expecting deep tourney runs. Hope I am wrong there.

 

[radecicco]

The BE has the best OOC record this year with numerous wins over "big time" schools and has been consistently rated in the top 3-4 of basketball leagues since its new incarnation. Last year both Nova and Butler came within one basket of joining X in the sweet 16. Yet even our own fans under value the BE's accomplishments. Why not go to work for ESPN.

 

[andover joe]

I don't get this-okay, we played Wagner and Troy, fine, how many other teams in the US didn't play a couple of those? Next we played Dartmouth and St Peter's, 1-since when is playing an Ivy such a complete humiliation; and 2-we've been playing SPC since forever, this is an old time rivalry game[oh, and by the way, in the '60's, they were FAR superior to Shall,a nd a lot of other teams too].
So, who are we left with; non-leaguers vs Wichita, UGA, GW, Ole Miss, Bradley, Long Beach, SoFla[who, for all the detractors on this site, was a league rival for yrs]. Stop complaining about the sked; we've got 6 games left-win 3, we're in good shape; win 4, better yet.Let's get this done.
This group is capable of doing great things, Isaiah, Deno, Desi, Angel, Sanogo, Derrick, Singh, even Rashid, and don't forget Michael, they are capable of a nice ending to the season.
Let's start with a nice upset in DC on Wed-that will invigorate the base going forward-a 2 W week would be just beautiful, don't you think?

 

[shupat08]

Dude our OCC SOS was 200+ get with the program.

Dartmouth, Troy, SPC, USF, Wagner and RU are all horrible teams. They all actually suck at basketball. Each of these teams have helped to ruined our OOC schedule - even with us beating them - and may prevent us from making the NCAA.

 

[mjs428]

FYI - Providence will have a week off before playing us. Ugh

 

[Shuathelete]

I don't get this-okay, we played Wagner and Troy, fine, how many other teams in the US didn't play a couple of those? Next we played Dartmouth and St Peter's, 1-since when is playing an Ivy such a complete humiliation; and 2-we've been playing SPC since forever, this is an old time rivalry game[oh, and by the way, in the '60's, they were FAR superior to Shall,a nd a lot of other teams too].
So, who are we left with; non-leaguers vs Wichita, UGA, GW, Ole Miss, Bradley, Long Beach, SoFla[who, for all the detractors on this site, was a league rival for yrs]. Stop complaining about the sked; we've got 6 games left-win 3, we're in good shape; win 4, better yet.Let's get this done.
This group is capable of doing great things, Isaiah, Deno, Desi, Angel, Sanogo, Derrick, Singh, even Rashid, and don't forget Michael, they are capable of a nice ending to the season.
Let's start with a nice upset in DC on Wed-that will invigorate the base going forward-a 2 W week would be just beautiful, don't you think?

Kind of weird thinking. Wagner stinks. Troy stinks. who cares about ivy league, dartmouth stinks. who cares about how long we've played SPC or if they were good a million years ago, they stink. who cares if rutgers is the in state rival, they stink, bradley stinks, who cares if we played USF in the old BE, they stink, lbsu is on the lower end of the spectrum. stop making excuses that make it acceptable to play double the amount of doo doo teams than programs who will be in the tourney play.

our "good wins" have all but erased.

 

[Flnj86]

Monmouth lost to Army and Canisuis and they play weak teams everyday in their conference. Seton Hall plays every team twice in the 4th toughest conference Big East in the nation.