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I'll let him speak for himself, but seemed more that he was taking issue with people being offended that they are speaking Spanish and saying that they should learn English after they have been here for a month or so.
That said, I have experienced both immigrants who came here and worked their butts off to assimilate into our culture and some who have made no efforts at all... So I have no issue saying that there should be an expectation that if they are to stay here that they learn English, just as any of us would learn the predominant language of any country we decided to live in. Even if they had English available in some spots. If you want to be a part of the community, you need to be able to communicate with them.
I agree with all that. well said.
My reason for calling out cern's post was that shumat had one bullet item about learning English and then cern went bobalu on that single point.
I didn't see a need for Cernesque Spanish history lesson.
However, to your point about the news media making a bigger deal out of things than they really are and then people responding to that, I think you have to recognize that everyone on this board does that.
With news coverage today, it's sometimes hard to discern what is a non-story and what truly has depth and meaning. That goes for both sides of the political spectrum.
My reason for calling out cern's post was that shumat had one bullet item about learning English and then cern went bobalu on that single point.
I didn't see a need for Cernesque Spanish history lesson.
However, to your point about the news media making a bigger deal out of things than they really are and then people responding to that, I think you have to recognize that everyone on this board does that.
With news coverage today, it's sometimes hard to discern what is a non-story and what truly has depth and meaning. That goes for both sides of the political spectrum.
If you are an immigrant, it's on you to step up, learn the culture and assimilate. Imagine an American immigrating to France, Italy or China and demanding everything be in English? Laughable.
Along those lines, check out The Swimmers on Netflix.
Syrian refugees who fled to Germany.
LOL, your comments today are quite funny. The only person going on a rant is you. You have four posts on me today. Tsk tsk. Someone still has their panties in a bunch.
The things I took away from this asylum story this week were:
- Whoever coached the illegals on talking points, should think twice about starting up a PR firm. One of the guys was complaining that the cots were made of cloth and were made for military use. I’m sure our veterans really enjoyed that comment.
- Give Eric Adams some credit for trying to do something about the situation with little or no support from New York City politicians, and the joke of a governor. Although the photo op with the ping-pong table probably wasn’t the best choice.
- Tone deaf Biden comes to NYC to do some victory laps around the train tunnel, but can’t take five minutes to support the mayor and show some sensitivity toward the situation. (...we take this very seriously, and let me refer you to the justice department....lol)
- Just another example of the dysfunction of NYC, and the continual decline of quality of life.
- cern is oddly obsessed by panties.
- Whoever coached the illegals on talking points, should think twice about starting up a PR firm. One of the guys was complaining that the cots were made of cloth and were made for military use. I’m sure our veterans really enjoyed that comment.
- Give Eric Adams some credit for trying to do something about the situation with little or no support from New York City politicians, and the joke of a governor. Although the photo op with the ping-pong table probably wasn’t the best choice.
- Tone deaf Biden comes to NYC to do some victory laps around the train tunnel, but can’t take five minutes to support the mayor and show some sensitivity toward the situation. (...we take this very seriously, and let me refer you to the justice department....lol)
- Just another example of the dysfunction of NYC, and the continual decline of quality of life.
- cern is oddly obsessed by panties.
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After reading this thread I've concluded we all need to go back to speaking Latin. That will solve all the problems.
Spain was an ally of the states, but pre war they were enemy colonists just like the french. ita just so happened that mainland britain became bigger enemies. the country was in no way founded with the inclusion of spain.
Spain settled florida in 1565. Holland Sweden settled northeast around that time too. are we proposing to learn dutch and swedish? as i mentioned they had influence on our country. I reject your claim that spanish was part of the fabric of our countries founding just as much as the french (north and south), swedish, dutch, etc. no idea why you are hyperfocusing on spain.
youre cooked on this one
Excellent suggestion great series. Mo’s mother very funny especially her reaction to tattoos.
After being wrong in every single post on this thread, I thought you would stay quiet. But apparently not. I mean I don't even know why I bother with you.
The Netherlands was still part of Spain's rule at the time Spain founded St Augustine. The New nation of the Netherlands did set up settlements in the north east 50 or 60 years after then Spain in the early 1600's. However, that did not last long, within 50 years, the British took over all Dutch Settlements by the mid 1600's.
Sweden had very small territories in areas around South Jersey that they settled after the Dutch but they held on to the land for like a decade before the Dutch took over from them which in turn was annexed by the British. They were out by the mid 1600's - over a 150 years earlier than the Revolutionary War.
Spain's rule in US land was from 1562 to 1821. That's almost 300 years of Spain's presence in States like California, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona and Florida. By the early 1810, Spain gave up Florida to Texas to the US . And finally by 1821 all of Spain's possessions in the US in the West were gone. So you think that Spain wasn't part of the fabric of this country when vasts part of the continental US lands were under Spanish control for centuries?
we have massive immigrant populations from all countries. half of new york is named after the dutch. the north and south points named after french. do these have no influence? is there an influence baramoter youre using? why arent you proposing we speak various indian languages considering they equally as influential as the spanish, potentially more as both an enemy and ally. african populations were larger in most colonies and some states. get a load of that. the country was built on dozens of ethnic and cultural influence.
but its impossible to cater to that so perhaps we default to english?
You guys fighting for immigrants to learn English are ridiculous. Look at our English test scores in this country. English has proven to be a hard language. People born here struggle with it. Maybe other languages are easier. I'll join the fight with cern. LOL
Enjoying the historical debate.
Adding an image for context. One would think Spanish was the official language of a fairly large part of our country for an extended period of time, no?
Not sure it's necessarily relevant to modern day day issues, but it's interesting history at least.
Adding an image for context. One would think Spanish was the official language of a fairly large part of our country for an extended period of time, no?
Not sure it's necessarily relevant to modern day day issues, but it's interesting history at least.
You can use that logic that that Spanish was an official for a large part of our country based on that map. But can you use the same logic and show a map of the Roman Empire and which of those countries are still using Latin? Or we can just accept times change and in the US, English is currently our language.Enjoying the historical debate.
Adding an image for context. One would think Spanish was the official language of a fairly large part of our country for an extended period of time, no?
Not sure it's necessarily relevant to modern day day issues, but it's interesting history at least.
Looks like the yellow are all the fly-over states that guys like cern could give two craps about. Too funny.Enjoying the historical debate.
Adding an image for context. One would think Spanish was the official language of a fairly large part of our country for an extended period of time, no?
Not sure it's necessarily relevant to modern day day issues, but it's interesting history at least.
Agree to an extent, English is our language... but about 20% of the US currently speaks Spanish at home.
Can't really compare it to a dead language.
Like I said though, I think immigrants coming here should learn English... so not really taking a position on the debate.
Latin is the base of the languages of many countries including Italy, SPain, Portugal, France and Romania. Yes, the Roman Empire was a huge influence over all of those countries and it’s history is interwoven in those countries.
Bottomline nobody uses the Latin in those countries despite it's historical context and influence in those countries. Times change.
Agree?
Also for context, the number of people speaking Spanish in the US is growing.
Because of the open border.
Afghan family who fled moved into our town six months ago. Wife was a military translator husband a laborer, one small child. He is learning English and is now a long haul CDL; she enrolled in local community college for nursing. They refused any government assistance.
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there were barely any people in those areas. hence spanish missions.Enjoying the historical debate.
Adding an image for context. One would think Spanish was the official language of a fairly large part of our country for an extended period of time, no?
Not sure it's necessarily relevant to modern day day issues, but it's interesting history at least.
And what you’re talking about is over 200 years ago. 10-15 generations removed for most families. I’m busting chops with my point. I can’t believe you’re serious. I laughed when I saw the map and know from my trips to the college World Series how much Omaha is oozing with Spanish culture from 200 years ago lol. The whole Midwest for that matter.
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Yes I am serious that Spanish is part of the fabric of the US. So, u went to Omaha and didn't find it, but did you go to California, or New Mexico or Arizona and did you see Spanish influence there? Cause it is there for sure.
i didn’t say Spanish had great influence in the Midwest. It was an area that Spain explored and controlled. But, it had a great effects in the west and south. I am not sure why people are offended by this? It’s a strange dynamic that people can’t admit to this and want to ignore history.
My point is that Spanish is a major part of the fabric and culture of this country since its origins. The language was spoken before English in this country and has been continuously spoken for centuries in the country. So why are some people on this thread offended by that? People should not be offended by seeing people speak Spanish in this country since it has been spoken here before English.
And that influence is only increasing with immigration whether it is legal or illegal. Not surprising since most of this hemisphere was ruled by Spain. In the 2020 census, nearly 20% of the country is Hispanic.
Like it or. It, Spanish is part of America from the start and the influence is only increasing.
So Spanish had an influence on some southwest states. Other regions of America had influences of other countries. They are part of the fabric of American as much as Spanish. Not more, not less. Any reason you're not debating those regions speaking the language of their original influence? I'm very interested to learn about the Spanish influence on Maine to South Carolina and the fabric of America on that large area. Go on professor. Or at least tell us why the influence on the very south west of the country is more important than the rest of the country. I was thinking maybe around 2 just after the game ends tomorrow we all just sit in our seats for a while and have some tea to celebrate the British influence on the fabric of America. Other than language I just don't see their influence in our lifestyle anymore. We should have more of it in our life just like the southwest has Spanish influence.
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Good read. Some will agree, some won't.
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Interesting. Agree that the “lumping” of ethnicities is problematic and superficial. Know your audience because they are very different.Good read. Some will agree, some won't.
Why is America Called the Melting Pot?
Have you ever heard of the phrase “the melting pot” to describe the effects of the American immigration system?Throughout the 20th and 21st centuries, the United States of America became known worldwide as the great melting pot. Immigrants came to this country with the idea in their hearts and...
Here is a counter argument.
Trying to find the column that I read last week. Writer suggested that population changes over the next 50-70 years will have a much more significant impact than climate change. Certain demographics and countries reproducing at a lower rate. Population of Africa projected to explode over that time. Which will increase migration to Europe, north, and South America. Amish in US might also be the new powerbrokers by the turn of the century.
We drove over no less than 8 manure piles on our way to and from the bowling alley this morning. Typical of a Sunday around here.
Listening the other day to news piece about our dependence on chips, lithium, and other essential elements combined with the vulnerability of the electric grid and other energy issues, I thought about how the Amish are better positioned to deal with a catastrophic outage.
