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Watched them last night albeit against no comp.
They are deep, tenacious and very well coached. Can easily see them winning the league.
Nova, Georgetown and Butler beware!
I like how tough they play too year after year. They get into their fair share of scuffles but that is how they are coached and it reminds me of the old Big East. Xavier is the model in my opinion for SHU. Too bad we can't get an on campus arena but I would take their coaching history in a second.
They have had an amazing run with Pete Gillen, Skip Prosser, Thad Matta, Sean Miller, Chris Mack. 5 home runs.
A lot of organic Growth there too. Sean Miller was Thad Matta's assistant and Chris Mack was Sean Miller's assistant. They have basically kept it "in house" for the past 15 years.
Something I never understood or liked about COY award was that it rarely goes to the best coach in the conference. The "excuse" often used is - "They were supposed to be great / they have a loaded roster / etc.", but isn't recruiting and building a program part of coaching? Why is a coach penalized for stock piling talent and creating a winning culture at his school?
For example, guess how many times Coach K has won ACC COY in the past 15 years ('01 -'15)? The answer is zero.
For example, guess how many times Coach K has won ACC COY in the past 15 years ('01 -'15)? The answer is zero.
No different than SH's stellar run (he said tongue in cheek) - Clueless, Shamaker, Lazy, Gonzo & he whose name I shall not speak. SH's answer to Snow White's 5 dwarfs. (I know there were 7)
For the year ended 06/30/13, Mack made $1.1 million, approximately $300,000 less than Willard, what a joke.
I thought Fox dictated to the members that they pay their mens basketball coaches upwards of at least $1.5 million, LOL???
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Agree. I always saw it that way. Never actually been on their campus but a friend of mine went there and agrees that SHU is a reasonable comp to Xavier from that perspective. We've gotten every recent hire (other than Amaker) wrong, they've gotten every one right, to the extent that they all leave for bigger programs, yet they still find great replacements. We have had the "advantage" of not being blind-sided (other than Amaker) and still whiff on every hire.
I could be way off base here, but I think Seton Hall is forced to over pay a bit because this isn't viewed as a great job. We need to sweeten the pot a bit to get people interested.
Mack and Cooley have some pretty good ROIs
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/
At last year's NCAA tourney USA listed the salaries and max bonuses of all the teams that made the Tourney and Butler was one of about a half dozen schools that refused to provide that info. Here's what they reported for the BE teams in the tourney plus a couple I picked out that were of interest to me.
Wright - Salary $2,775,850 no bonus reported
JT111 - Salary $2,838,300 no bonus reported
Mack - Salary $1,109,500 no bonus reported
Cooley - Salary $1,180,300 no bonus reported
Butler disclosed no information
Now just a couple or so I was curious about
Marshall at WSU - Salary - $1,980,000 Max Bonus $838,000
Cronin at Cinn - Salary - $2,202,200 Max Bonus $640,000
Miller at Dayton - Salary - $652,000 no bonus reported and this , if accurate, was a surprise to me.
Wright - Salary $2,775,850 no bonus reported
JT111 - Salary $2,838,300 no bonus reported
Mack - Salary $1,109,500 no bonus reported
Cooley - Salary $1,180,300 no bonus reported
Butler disclosed no information
Now just a couple or so I was curious about
Marshall at WSU - Salary - $1,980,000 Max Bonus $838,000
Cronin at Cinn - Salary - $2,202,200 Max Bonus $640,000
Miller at Dayton - Salary - $652,000 no bonus reported and this , if accurate, was a surprise to me.
Seton Hall needs to overpay to get someone of any substance here. We all agree. But why Willard was given $1.4 million a year is one of life's great mysteries. 1 NIT at Iona and 1 NIT at Seton Hall. Money well spent. But then again who knows if wins and losses really matter with this administration.
I could see them being forced to overpay for a hot coach being pursued by a number of schools including some power five programs and we were in serious competition for his services. Who the hell wanted Willard besides us and certainly if there was any school pursing KW it wasn't any school in any conference of note and we certainly weren't in any bidding war for his services. That's what happens when you let an ameuther with no experience in the field run a search.
Serious question: what do you do when there isn't interest in the job and even people with only 1 NIT bid on their resume won't touch the job for less than $1mm/year? Do you over pay like a drunken sailor for a MAAC coach or do you roll the dice on an even more unproven commodity with a less expensive price tag? I don't know what the right answer is.
Never heard that nor does it make sense to me. Jeff Bzdelik was the coach that Wake hired in 2010 , a former head coach at Colorodo and a head coach with the Denver Nuggets who was a disaster with a conference record of 17 -51 and fired after 4 years , replaced by Danny Manning.
Dino Gaudio, a long time assistant to Skip Prosser after his death was at WF from 2007-2010 had a 27-21 conference record and took them to two NCAA's his last two years before being let go. There was no way Wake was going to hire a coach from the MAAC when they had just fired a coach who took them to the tourney twice in three years. The Wake fans wanted a name not an unknown and they got one in Manning .
In point of fact the coaches Hobbs interviewed included Cooley, Rice , McCaffery, Lonergan then at Vermont and Mooney then at Richmond. It was only after Pitino contacted Hobbs did SH show interest in Willard.
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Jeff Bzdelik was a disaster at Colorado too. He was not a "hot" coach in 2010.
It might not make sense to you or me or anyone else, but it's 100% true. Wake Forest had interest in Willard (to what extent - I do not know). @Halldan1 is there anyway you can confirm?
Probably based on a Rick Pitino recommendation if in fact WF had an interest in KW. LOL
Willard didn't come in making $1.4 million, he started at $700,000. What on earth did he do to deserve a doubling of his salary? Really is a bit of a joke.
Well, we had to continue to raise his salary in order to keep him from going elsewhere.
Lol Willards long contract is shooting him in his foot. He's got a long proven tenure of being absolutely miserable.
And sure we might have to offer more many than X, but not to the likes of Willard level coaches. This was a great job for Willard the main problem is he sucks.
And sure we might have to offer more many than X, but not to the likes of Willard level coaches. This was a great job for Willard the main problem is he sucks.
@SPK145 Yes, according to Seton Hall's 990 form Willard made $723,000 in 2010, but do you know if that was his annualized comp or his prorated comp based on 9 months of service (he was hired March 29, 2010)? In 2011 his comp shot up to $1,060,000. I have no idea how the contract was structured - maybe the $723K was a prorated figure or maybe he started out at $723K because we still were on the hook for Gonzo to the tune of $562K and the money wasn't in the budget that year. As you can see below he has cleared $1M each year except his first.
Regardless I agree with your point that his salary is extremely high considering the status of the program. Imagine what we would pay if he makes the tournament?!?!?
Willard's Comp
2010: $722,509
2011: $1,059,639
2012: $1,457,402
2013: $1,405,594
2014: $1,400,000 (I didn't see their 990 but I'll take your word for it that he made $1.4 last year)
Now that's what I'm talking about!BE COY - Tony Bozzella.
Oh, the Men? Hmm.. Not Willard?
After Willard's second year here where he nearly made the NCAA tournament and finished with 21 victories there were a few feelers from other schools. Wake was a team I heard mentioned.
Sorry only know what I posted above. Not sure if the Wake news was before that or during. Years passing too quickly. LOL
Wake Forest is TERRIBLE. TERRIBLE. In 2010 they won only ONE game in the ACC. Theyre like DePaul of the ACC.
Wake giving him an offer is just a terrible look for us. Spare me the ACC story.
Wake giving him an offer is just a terrible look for us. Spare me the ACC story.
Which is why we haven't been blindsided in 15 years. None of these tomato cans are wanted anywhere else.
Willard's Salary was $600,00 per year his first 4 years here..he is only making the 1.1 million + bonuses to $1.4 mil last year and next 2 years as it was the extension that kicked in.
Wow, what a backwards contract. So you're saying this contract has this year and next left on it?
