Not because of their embrace of Kaeperick, but because the shoes are made in China by slave laborers. I think Nike needs to bring their manufacturing home.
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As they said when Jerome Lane played at Pitt in the old Big East and had a breakaway bring it home.
I was watching a game with my son who loved Pitt and he yelled this as Lane broke away
and proceeded to monster dunk and the backboard came down. That helped to
usher in breakaway rims.
Miss the old Big East with 3 teams in the Final Four in 1985, awesome.
I was watching a game with my son who loved Pitt and he yelled this as Lane broke away
and proceeded to monster dunk and the backboard came down. That helped to
usher in breakaway rims.
Miss the old Big East with 3 teams in the Final Four in 1985, awesome.
This.
Want to change back from a global economy and supply chain to domestic? Go ahead. Just be ready to pay the difference, which is why it moved to begin with.
Cost of operating and living in the US comes at high price. Or we expect Nike and others to eat that margin out of patriotism?
China created the burning platform...we all know how deep our manufacturing roots are now embedded in China, but it is a test case in marketing for a shoe company now to promote domestically made shoes (get the right endorsers) and even charge a premium. Much like "green products" that are more expensive, you would think there are consumers that will want nothing to do with China when they choose to buy.
It amazes me that people will boycott a product and pay more, because of who the President of the company endorses politically but they won't do the same for a company that supports child labor and benefits a government whose country was teh source that has killed hundreds of thousands globally.
It amazes me that people will boycott a product and pay more, because of who the President of the company endorses politically but they won't do the same for a company that supports child labor and benefits a government whose country was teh source that has killed hundreds of thousands globally.
It’s definitely worth trying, I just don’t know how many can afford to be so selective with their spend all the time. I’d like to find out though because what’s gone on is madness.
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Forgot you want social justice for only Americans. Let the little Asian kid work 1i hour days for $1
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And we all should be willing to pay more for an American made product. It means our fellow countrymen have access to good jobs. Manufacturing jobs are what built this country, not wall street. You should not need a college degree to earn a living. If Nike would bring back jobs to America they could provide valuable jobs to inner cities. Imagine Nike manufacturing in Newark, Flint, etc. I'll gladly pay 20% more for a product made in USA.
Really necessary to have on the Trove. Really good thread here
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One thing to note, Nike could SURELY bring manufacturing back here and remain extremely profitable. Instead of donating huge amounts of money to Kaepernick, why not hire black americans to make your sneakers. Lift everuone up instead of the one gut. Have you seen what they charge for a pair of sneakers? It's disgusting for how cheap it costs to make them. I believe in capitalism, but within the confines that Americans are not screwed in the process of corporations chasing the almighty dollar.
I think you mean Bill Raftery said Send it home Jerome.
The list of companies who could make products at a (WAAAAAY higher cost) elsewhere is a little different from the list of shareholders willing to forgo profits.
This is all on us. Not Nike. Dont buy them. Nike is running a very profitable business. We are actually complaining that their profit margins are too high...what a bunch of socialists
Dont buy Chinese made products. Bend over backwards to buy things made in the US. But clearly, most of us dont care. We talk about it and get the best deal at Walmart and dont look at the country of origin.
We have a president who had a clothing line all made in Asia. Aint that America.
This is all on us. Not Nike. Dont buy them. Nike is running a very profitable business. We are actually complaining that their profit margins are too high...what a bunch of socialists
Dont buy Chinese made products. Bend over backwards to buy things made in the US. But clearly, most of us dont care. We talk about it and get the best deal at Walmart and dont look at the country of origin.
We have a president who had a clothing line all made in Asia. Aint that America.
The sticking point with Nike is that they sell ridiculously marked up products to a market that includes a lot of people in inner cities.
The other sneaker companies are no different. They search the world for the cheapest manufacturing price while charging the American consumer as much as possible. Unfortunately when it comes to basketball shoes, many of those buyers are the ones who can least afford to pay for them.
It’s been pointed out in the past where in some major competition (I forget which one), the Americans weren’t outfitted by Nike and while a foreign country was. Phil Knight wasn’t rooting for the Americans. That’s the mindset that we’re dealing with in all of this. All focus has been lost.
The other sneaker companies are no different. They search the world for the cheapest manufacturing price while charging the American consumer as much as possible. Unfortunately when it comes to basketball shoes, many of those buyers are the ones who can least afford to pay for them.
It’s been pointed out in the past where in some major competition (I forget which one), the Americans weren’t outfitted by Nike and while a foreign country was. Phil Knight wasn’t rooting for the Americans. That’s the mindset that we’re dealing with in all of this. All focus has been lost.
Guess what, as a nation we are paying a price for doing business with China. They put huge tarrifs on our export goods, making it harder for us to sell those products to their consumers. The bottom line is that American manufactures have to factor those costs into the prices they charge within the American market to eek out a global profit. The other point, i'd rather pay more than to have the Chinese communists threatening us as they are doing to Australia.
Seton75 you would be hard pressed to find a car, dishwasher, dryer, washer, tractor, snowblower, power tool replacement part that you need not made in China.
This is a hoops forum any chance we can keep doing that?
We are very clear on yours and shoreguys differing points of view you don’t need to remind us on every thread.
I just want to chime in on this...i am against oppression and slave/child labor around the world. Am i guilty for ever having any nike apparel or sneakers, yes. Do i think i am headed to hell because of it no. We have caucasian conservative senators making a big deal about NBA and China. How about other sports leagues and businesses that deal with China for bottom line end games? Josh Hawley who does not have a NBA team in his state writes to the league but has he done anything regarding Anheuser-Busch InBev?
Additionally, I am worried about my own domestic backyard primarily vs others.
Every time the economy takes a downturn the drum is always buy American. Then we see the cost and we buy cheap plastic things at Walmart.
Like the $1,100 i phone made in China or the active ingredients for drugs. I posted I am no Trump fan, but he is the only president who has really tried to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. And we will see if business will accept $15 minimum wage for products like PPE masks that cost 50 cents wholesale. Are we going to pay $25 an hour to make ventilators? Wait until covid 20 hits.
i guess its priorities. for instance, for health reasons i choose to eat as organic as i can. its costly, so ive balanced the cost by making lunch everyday instead of buying lunch. i (used) to go to tons of sporting events, in turn i made sure i only booked vacations with credit card points.
but thats just me. i think the real answer to your question is probably credit card debt LOL.
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Your post reminds me of things I keep seeing on LinkedIn about how much money people are saving working at home. One professional noted the they've saved $3200 on lunches in 4 months. That breaks down to $200 bucks per week, or $800 a month. I ask who the heck is spending $200 a week on lunch/coffee and did these people learn basic finance? Brining a lunch to work is a huge way to save money over the long run.
that must be in nyc. i used to buy lunch every day because lets face it, a man in his 20s wasnt exactly keen on cooking and preparing meals. lunches were usually $12-15. dont drink coffee but assume if you had it twice a day that could be around $8. even at a conservative estimate itd be really hard to spend $200 a week on lunch. sounds like these people kicked back a few to hit that mark.
KP say you work in Manhattan and have lunch and Starbucks 5 times a week that is easily 150 to 200 but many people have done this.
There will be a section of people based on their profession and virtual/remote access that will choose never to commute again. So parking, mass transit, gas, food expenses all gone.
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Yeah, I guess so, it's just wild to me. When I first started working I went out maybe on a Friday with my friends. Otherwise my lunch budget was Whatever I got at the store.
might make more sense when you realize most young people in nyc get back from work at 7-8pm. hell ive gotten back past midnight before. if you leave at 6pm people look at you like youre a slacker. the expectation has moved well past 8 hour days. youre falling behind your peers if you arent there late slaving away.
not only are you not going to meal prep getting home that late, but theres also a sense of work hard play hard. imo booze is where the money gets evaporated.
Worked in Manhattan straight out of SHU. Ended up on the river in Chelsea when it was getting to its apex of poshness. There was a boutique sandwich and cold food shop at the end of Chelsea Piers by the old skate park past Pier 62. One day I go in to browse this is 03-04. Geraldo Rivera is sitting outside at a table alone and easily had 50 dollars of overpriced food and Perrier in front of him. A toasted bagel with mayo free tuna salad sandwich 12 dollars my god. Ended up finding great sandwich shop inside Chelsea market 6 or 7 dollars a good sized sandwich. Also found an honest Halal cart at 9th and 15th or 16th, good plate lunch 5 dollars
Great watch on corporations mission and goes directly to the title thread about Nike.
https://wealthtrack.com/is-corporat...em-with-capitalism-two-entrepreneurs-respond/
https://wealthtrack.com/is-corporat...em-with-capitalism-two-entrepreneurs-respond/
It really all comes down to pricing. My wife has been involved in sourcing and production for over 30 years. Her company can retail a t-shirt made in China, India or Pakistan for $14.99. The same quality tee made in the US would have to retail for $26.99 to produce the same profit margins. The question becomes how much more are Americans willing to pay to take a moral stand?
Wear New Balance! Made in USA (not all, of course). I won't tell others how to spend their money but I am OK paying an extra 75$ or so for MiUSA New Balance, and I am not wealthy.
It is hard to buy MiUSA for everything but I try to do so when I can.
It is hard to buy MiUSA for everything but I try to do so when I can.
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seems like youre plugged in. i googled list of usa made brands. i found this site that seems pretty comprehensive, but doesnt have new balance listed. i also know basically none of these brands.
looks like the problem is that MiUSA isnt readily accessible to the average consumer. you have to go out searching for them. aint gonna happen.
do you have a known list of major brands you shop from?
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New Balance manufactures in Maine. They do some overseas but make a good amount in Maine. I know this because I used to work for a manufacturer in Maine as well. Alot of out production was decimated and shipped to China in the mid 2000s, but alot of it remains as well.
What products are you asking about?
Very true but not insurmountable. There are a lot of underserved areas in the US where you can add jobs and get less expensive labor and save on shipping containers to US ports. Problem is the unions jack up the price. But there are a few companies that are working on insourcing many operations (mfg, call centers etc.) back to the US and finding ways to do it economically. It's not a one-size fits all solution.
Many people I know would still rather buy from local businesses paying more than going to Walmart or Amazon. My kids generation though I worry about because they would rather just place the order on their phone than actually shop which means more for Amazon and big box stores than smaller businesses. We need to get back ingenuity and not just knee jerk manufacturing to Asia and buy from the big box suppliers. Need to do what we can to help small businesses and that might help. I'll pay more for a local small business than Walmart's goods made in China.
forgot to link the site.
https://www.madeinamerica.co/pages/thelist
i just mean any brands you personal gravitate towards. could be any product. i dont know anything off the top of my head.
Well you can add killing Grandma in addition to making things cheaper. I guess that's okay too.
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