Rushed to the hospital yesterday during practice, collapsed with cardiac arrest…. Oh yeah perfectly normal….
Bronny James
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No, it's not normal, that's why it's in the news. Just like we remember when Len Bias, Hank Gathers and Keyontae Johnson collapsed from the covid vaccine.
You have studies to support the idea that cardiac arrest events are more prevalent in vaccinated vs unvaccinated?
Then it would be reasonable. I've seen the opposite though.
So this doesn't bother you, nor the soccer announcer the other day, nor Grant Wahl, nor any of the other relatively young people dropping dead or collapsing out of the blue? Plus those who aren't famous who we don't even know about? Got it. You do you and live in your academic world of bought and paid for "studies" with agendas.
What about Herb Pope or the thousands of other people it happened to long before the covid vaccine existed? These incidents aren't anything new. They're just far more publicized now because of the unsympathetic aholes who only care about shoehorning them into their political agendas.
When the data says you're wrong, you're just going to go with everyone looking into this must be corrupt?
You can't just tie in everything bad happening to vaccines because you want to.
At some point, there would have to be some kind of data or analysis that proves what you are alleging to be true.
You should want to see as much actual data as possible to understand if it is true or not.
First, are cardiac events increasing in young athletes. Second, is there a difference in the rates of incidence in vaccinated vs unvaccinated individuals.
They're happening far more often. Plainly obvious to anyone paying attention.
The only people with political agendas are those who immediately shut down any notion that the covid vaccine MIGHT have something to do with it. Not does, simply might. They have to shut it down because it would threaten their pals in the big pharma industry.
It's something that should be looked into by any reasonable person with an open mind and no bias. But the loudest voices often have agendas, closed minds, or both.
Please don’t bring Herb Pope in any discussion about vax leading to health issues. There are other drugs on the streets that lead to heart troubles. Pope was known to use them freely.
Cite numbers here. How many in each year before the pandemic, how many after?
Knowing that Covid also effects the heart, how are you able to attribute these incidents to the vaccine rather than Covid?
What is the incidence rate of vaccinated vs unvaccinated?
No one here has a pharma agenda, and no one here is shutting down your argument. Just support your claim with actual data.
The studies I have seen so far do not show vaccinated individuals have a higher incidence rate of heart issues, and was actually the opposite. I’d be willing to change my mind if I read studies which supported your claim.
Pope had been born with an anomalous right coronary artery, a condition found in less than 1% of the U.S. population. His blood, like water through a pinched garden hose, hadn't been able to pump freely. Three harrowing hours of surgery were needed to fix the problem.
Expect nobody says might. They always jump to the conclusion that the vaccine is to blame without considering the possibility that... just maybe... there was another cause. Just as how every incident before the vaccine had another cause. And just because you didn't hear about them as often doesn't mean they didn't happen. It just means there wasn't a bunch of mom's basement scientists spamming everyone with their uneducated theories every time it happens. And yes, unless they have significant medical training and access to all of the individual's medical records, they are 100% uneducated about that person's situation.
Like, maybe we just hear about incidents more because of the flow of information? I mean, this board was built off HallDan reading Big East Briefs and “informing” us.
Yeah, was agreeing with you, not debating. It’s silly that people think things are simply “new” in the last decade. Information, and unfortunately misinformation, flows rapidly.
Those of you that got jabbed, especially boosted, you were warned of the risks.
There are consequences for one’s actions.
There are consequences for one’s actions.
You can be in denial that Pope was known to use drugs while at SHU. You probably blame society for Pope robbing a bank. I on the other hand blame Herb's poor choices. He decided to take drugs and he decided to rob banks. If he also had other heart conditions that you indicate in another post, I pray he has healed.
Pope was not at shu when he robbed a bank. His choice and his consequences then. I am sure a lot of student athletes across all schools make choices to try/use drugs, i don't endorse that.
My only point regarding Pope is that he, unless he traveled through time to receive the covid vax, is one of many thousands of examples showing that young people (seemingly healthy athletes included) can, in fact, have cardiac events unrelated to the vaccine. Whether his specific incident was related to drugs, a heart defect, or something else doesn't change that.
man its crazy how young people never used to die. only now after the vaccine theyre dying. crazy.
Herb Pope has nothing to do with Bronny James. Athletes can and do collapse from other issues. But those who immediately dismiss the vaccine as a possible cause do not have open minds. It should certainly be investigated to find out what actually happened.
It's crazy how it's happening much more frequently over the last two years. Needs to be looked into.
i got the first vaccine. ive also had covid twice. if i had to guess which one affected my heart more based on how i felt, its covid. cant believe the morons think the covid vaccine was the only thing introduced in 2020 ... and maybe, just maybe, COVID could be a contributing factor??
nah.
nah.
Myocarditis as a result of the vaccine, specifically in young men, is a known side effect.
Bronny took a vaccine that is known to cause heart issues in SOME patients, and then he suffers cardiac arrest. What else was the young man taking that could have caused health issues?
Maybe it was genetic- but the conversation about the vaccine is more than fair especially when everyone knows of the massive issues with it.
Bronny took a vaccine that is known to cause heart issues in SOME patients, and then he suffers cardiac arrest. What else was the young man taking that could have caused health issues?
Maybe it was genetic- but the conversation about the vaccine is more than fair especially when everyone knows of the massive issues with it.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...seases/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-side-effects
It’s a rare but reported side effect of the vaccine. Medicine is a game of numbers and every drug needs to report contraindications as they collect data on the drug. Despite the benefit, we all take a risk when we take a drug to treat something. While the FDA has deemed the vaccine, safe and effective, that doesn’t mean there are not risks. And it’s a drug that was fast tracked for good reason. It is not uncommon for other side effects to be reported as more data is collected over time. This happened for instance with some statins years ago.
It’s it responsible to say, this is what caused Bronny’s episode, But it’s also one of the many things that could have, although rare. Maybe we should let his doctors determine what happened and let him make the decision on his course of treatment.
It’s a rare but reported side effect of the vaccine. Medicine is a game of numbers and every drug needs to report contraindications as they collect data on the drug. Despite the benefit, we all take a risk when we take a drug to treat something. While the FDA has deemed the vaccine, safe and effective, that doesn’t mean there are not risks. And it’s a drug that was fast tracked for good reason. It is not uncommon for other side effects to be reported as more data is collected over time. This happened for instance with some statins years ago.
It’s it responsible to say, this is what caused Bronny’s episode, But it’s also one of the many things that could have, although rare. Maybe we should let his doctors determine what happened and let him make the decision on his course of treatment.
The problem I have with people who really seem to want to link it to the vaccines specifically is that the increase you're referring to started in 2020 before any vaccine was available.
There are studies on this topic about lasting heart damage from Covid infection.
For example:
Long-term cardiovascular outcomes of COVID-19 - Nature Medicine
Individuals with COVID-19 are at increased long-term risk for a wide range of cardiovascular disorders, even for individuals who were not hospitalized during the acute phase of the infection.
www.nature.com
There are studies showing that the trends in these events happened to be worse in areas with lower vaccination rates.
There are studies showing that vaccinated individuals were less likely to have heart complications compared to those who have had a Covid infection.
Not that it is definitive, but the virus itself seems like the more likely cause compared to the vaccine based on all of the available information.
isnt it a higher risk in.... actual covid? is it not fair to talk about that or completely miss the forrest through the trees?
There is no empirical number comparing the two and the data is still being collected. Both are rare but they do happen. And it also depends on the risk factors of the patient.
I’ve been saying all along, it’s a personal choice decision. There are no absolutes as we take a risk with either decision.
right but you dont see people following every event like this ready to yell out "covid!"
these events happen every year to bball players of bronnys relative demo.
I’ve already said that’s irresponsible.
So? Does that mean that they can’t occur from the published side effect of any drug going forward?
We're not dismissing the possibility, we're refuting those asserting that it definitively is the cause. Reality is we don't know at this point and making definite claims either way is irresponsible.
