Canada

[HALL85]

So for those interested in a National healthcare system….I submit Canada:

- Only 3.3% of the population has been fully vaccinated
- Why? Take a look at Health Canada who prides itself on re-importing lower cost drugs to the US.
- Well it seems like they went to the back of the line with the vaccine manufacturers when it came time to allocate vaccines….kind of like a big FU.
- If you do get the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine, you have to wait FOUR MONTHS for your second dose. Screw the package insert.
- Canada doesn’t have a Florida or Texas….just a coast to coast bunch of lemmings.
- It remains closed to Americans and others.

 

[shu09]

Also akin to a police state right now, especially Ontario.

 

[shufan1993]

So for those interested in a National healthcare system….I submit Canada:

- Only 3.3% of the population has been fully vaccinated
- Why? Take a look at Health Canada who prides itself on re-importing lower cost drugs to the US.
- Well it seems like they went to the back of the line with the vaccine manufacturers when it came time to allocate vaccines….kind of like a big FU.
- If you do get the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine, you have to wait FOUR MONTHS for your second dose. Screw the package insert.
- Canada doesn’t have a Florida or Texas….just a coast to coast bunch of lemmings.
- It remains closed to Americans and others.

Per the msm Justin Trudeau was such a better leader than former President Trump and Trudeau was doing such a better job handling the pandemic. Where is the follow up?

 

[Hallsome]

Per the msm Justin Trudeau was such a better leader than former President Trump and Trudeau was doing such a better job handling the pandemic. Where is the follow up?

Merge, Solo, Hamptons and others go silent on these issues, kinda like a President Biden nap. Only kidding around

 

[HALL85]

Merge, Solo, Hamptons and others go silent on these issues, kinda like a President Biden nap. Only kidding around

Lol...I think Solo is in witness protection...he’s disappeared.

 

[Merge]

Merge, Solo, Hamptons and others go silent on these issues, kinda like a President Biden nap. Only kidding around

I don't really think of Canada much honestly.

Not really sure we can equate their failures to the result of having a national healthcare system though.
The US vaccine rollout has gone incredibly well, and much of that is because we did so with government support and resources. It's distributed by the government, vaccine sites are run by the government and it's free to all.

If anything the success of the model here shows that the government is running a very effective healthcare program.

 

[HALL85]

I don't really think of Canada much honestly.

Not really sure we can equate their failures to the result of having a national healthcare system though.
The US vaccine rollout has gone incredibly well, and much of that is because we did so with government support and resources. It's distributed by the government, vaccine sites are run by the government and it's free to all.

If anything the success of the model here shows that the government is running a very effective healthcare program.

That's pretty much totally incorrect. While the government was essential in coordinating major stakeholders, private industry, etc., the vaccines were produced by public companies (Moderna, Pfizer and Jannsen, they were distributed by public companies (primarily McKesson), and they were administered primarily by private hospitals. The testing was done by public companies (primarily Quest and LabCorp).

And it's not "free to all", because it will be funded by taxes or more debt. Essentially the government guaranteed payments or business to those organizations to get them to fast track everything.

And you shouldn't think much of Canada, but a lot of people do and believe they have a superior healthcare system, which is a national healthcare system...good luck with that when you need help!

 

[Merge]

There are federal supported vaccine sites and thousands of service members and FEMA staff deployed all over the country to help facilitate these vaccines. No need to understate the success of these teams.

It's "free to all" the same way Canada's vaccines are. Paid for by taxpayers.

And I agree that out healthcare system is better than Canada's. That doesn't mean if we changed to single payer we would need to be exactly like Canada. No reason why we couldn't do it better, just like we are doing a better job vaccinating people with government support.

 

[HALL85]

Wrong…the vast majority of vaccinations have occurred at hospitals, drug chains, department stores. Not diminishing FEMA, but they deployed late and have delivered a fraction.

it’s a great example of how our private sector has the resources to mobilize.

 

[Merge]

Wrong…the vast majority of vaccinations have occurred at hospitals, drug chains, department stores. Not diminishing FEMA, but they deployed late and have delivered a fraction.

it’s a great example of how our private sector has the resources to mobilize.

Are you saying these mega sites are not federally supported? All of the service members I saw organizing everything weren't part of of federal response?

 

[HALL85]

Are you saying these mega sites are not federally supported? All of the service members I saw organizing everything weren't part of of federal response?

No, I am just saying in the grand scheme of things the number of doses of the vaccine they administered has been a very small percentage of the total.

 

[Merge]

Really reaching to avoid giving the government any credit.
Mega sites alone account for about 25% of all shots given in NJ.

I don’t consider that small. The federal government has helped quite a bit, and the program has been a success.

 

[HALL85]

Really reaching to avoid giving the government any credit.
Mega sites alone account for about 25% of all shots given in NJ.

I don’t consider that small. The federal government has helped quite a bit, and the program has been a success.

I’m not saying the Federal government didn’t help. I was personally involved with the FDA, BARDA, HHS and OWS, but without the resources of the private sector and their ability to mobilize, we’d be SOL.

 

[Hallsome]

Really reaching to avoid giving the government any credit.
Mega sites alone account for about 25% of all shots given in NJ.

I don’t consider that small. The federal government has helped quite a bit, and the program has been a success.

The one started by your former president or at a minimum discredited by liberal MSM. You’re really reaching to suggest otherwise. 25% is not that overwhelming to contradict each of us, by the way. Thanks for the chuckles.

 

[Merge]

The one started by your former president or at a minimum discredited by liberal MSM. You’re really reaching to suggest otherwise. 25% is not that overwhelming to contradict each of us, by the way. Thanks for the chuckles.

I gave credit to OWS and said they did all of the right things several times here. 25% at 6 locations was a huge help to reduce the burden among the other 700+ sites in NJ.

We've done a great job vaccinating the population here and downplaying the federal government's role because Canada didn't do a good job seems like a reach to make a point about nationalized healthcare. There is one country with a higher vaccinated population than the US which is Israel where they have a publicly funded national health plan.

Each country is obviously different and it would be just as wrong of me to point to Israel's success with their vaccination program as support that a national health plan will work in the US as pointing to Canada's failures as support that a national health plan is bad.

 

[HALL85]

I gave credit to OWS and said they did all of the right things several times here. 25% at 6 locations was a huge help to reduce the burden among the other 700+ sites in NJ.

We've done a great job vaccinating the population here and downplaying the federal government's role because Canada didn't do a good job seems like a reach to make a point about nationalized healthcare. There is one country with a higher vaccinated population than the US which is Israel where they have a publicly funded national health plan.

Each country is obviously different and it would be just as wrong of me to point to Israel's success with their vaccination program as support that a national health plan will work in the US as pointing to Canada's failures as support that a national health plan is bad.

Yet people constantly point to Canada as a system we should emulate. No thank you!

And don’t forget OWS was not just compromised of government people.

 

[shufan1993]

I gave credit to OWS and said they did all of the right things several times here. 25% at 6 locations was a huge help to reduce the burden among the other 700+ sites in NJ.

We've done a great job vaccinating the population here and downplaying the federal government's role because Canada didn't do a good job seems like a reach to make a point about nationalized healthcare. There is one country with a higher vaccinated population than the US which is Israel where they have a publicly funded national health plan.

Each country is obviously different and it would be just as wrong of me to point to Israel's success with their vaccination program as support that a national health plan will work in the US as pointing to Canada's failures as support that a national health plan is bad.

Is President Biden correct when he gives 0% credit to the former President for Operation Warp Speed? President Biden even criticized Trump for holding back vaccines. If it wasn't for OWS, the country wouldn't be where it is with vaccinations right now. Biden is riding the success of OWS and he wouldn't even compliment the former admin.

Also did Governor Murphy thank President Trump/OWS for the vaccination progress?

 

[shufan1993]

I gave credit to OWS and said they did all of the right things several times here. 25% at 6 locations was a huge help to reduce the burden among the other 700+ sites in NJ.

We've done a great job vaccinating the population here and downplaying the federal government's role because Canada didn't do a good job seems like a reach to make a point about nationalized healthcare. There is one country with a higher vaccinated population than the US which is Israel where they have a publicly funded national health plan.

Each country is obviously different and it would be just as wrong of me to point to Israel's success with their vaccination program as support that a national health plan will work in the US as pointing to Canada's failures as support that a national health plan is bad.

Also the guy you voted for president also said that he wasn't left with a coherent vaccination plan. What?

Operation Warp Speed Head Says Trump Administration Responsible For 90% Of Vaccine Rollout

Biden has repeatedly claimed the Trump administration left him without a plan.

www.forbes.com

 

[Merge]

Is President Biden correct when he gives 0% credit to the former President for Operation Warp Speed? President Biden even criticized Trump for holding back vaccines. If it wasn't for OWS, the country wouldn't be where it is with vaccinations right now. Biden is riding the success of OWS and he wouldn't even compliment the former admin.

Also did Governor Murphy thank President Trump/OWS for the vaccination progress?

Biden should have praised OWS and the previous admin for getting things moving quickly.

 

[shufan1993]

Biden should have praised OWS and the previous admin for getting things moving quickly.

Thank you for the confirmation

 

[shufan1993]

Biden should have praised OWS and the previous admin for getting things moving quickly.

Also it appears "Neanderthal Thinking" was pretty successful in Texas, no?

 

[seton1996]

Really reaching to avoid giving the government any credit.
Mega sites alone account for about 25% of all shots given in NJ.

I don’t consider that small. The federal government has helped quite a bit, and the program has been a success.

I didnt go to a mega site in NJ, but my understanding is the government may have handle logistics at those sites, but private hospitals handled the actual distribution of vaccine. For example, Meadowlands was Hackensack, Rockaway Mall was Atlantic Health System, AC convention center Atlantic Care.

There was a FEMA run site in Newark at NJIT, but it started much later than other sites.

Either way, dont think you can equate distribution of covid vaccine either positively or negatively to the US going to a medicare for all system.

 

[Merge]

I didnt go to a mega site in NJ, but my understanding is the government may have handle logistics at those sites, but private hospitals handled the actual distribution of vaccine. For example, Meadowlands was Hackensack, Rockaway Mall was Atlantic Health System, AC convention center Atlantic Care.

There was a FEMA run site in Newark at NJIT, but it started much later than other sites.

Either way, dont think you can equate distribution of covid vaccine either positively or negatively to the US going to a medicare for all system.

That is exactly my point though. Seeing Canada do poorly with vaccination and using that as evidence that M4A would fail here is just as much of a stretch as me saying that we can do M4A here because our vaccine program is doing well because of government involvement.

To be clear though, M4A would still not be like fully public the system Canada has. It would be a lot more like the system in Israel.

 

[HALL85]

That is exactly my point though. Seeing Canada do poorly with vaccination and using that as evidence that M4A would fail here is just as much of a stretch as me saying that we can do M4A here because our vaccine program is doing well because of government involvement.

To be clear though, M4A would still not be like fully public the system Canada has. It would be a lot more like the system in Israel.

Except, I never mentioned M4A in my original post. I specifically said national healthcare system. For some reason, you decided to take it there.

 

[Merge]

Except, I never mentioned M4A in my original post. I specifically said national healthcare system. For some reason, you decided to take it there.

Actually 1996 specifically mentioned M4A, and my response was to him.

 

[ed odowd]

Trudeau making MSM look bad, how dare he.Always been a guy who traded on his name and was forgiven by the left for wearing blackface. Because of his politics.Canada performing like a third world country in handling pandemic but strangely MSM silent ,hard to figure that one out LOL

 

[Piratz]

That's pretty much totally incorrect. While the government was essential in coordinating major stakeholders, private industry, etc., the vaccines were produced by public companies (Moderna, Pfizer and Jannsen, they were distributed by public companies (primarily McKesson), and they were administered primarily by private hospitals. The testing was done by public companies (primarily Quest and LabCorp).

And it's not "free to all", because it will be funded by taxes or more debt. Essentially the government guaranteed payments or business to those organizations to get them to fast track everything.

And you shouldn't think much of Canada, but a lot of people do and believe they have a superior healthcare system, which is a national healthcare system...good luck with that when you need help!

Wrong…the vast majority of vaccinations have occurred at hospitals, drug chains, department stores. Not diminishing FEMA, but they deployed late and have delivered a fraction.

it’s a great example of how our private sector has the resources to mobilize.

This this this this.

Actually, IMO, Operation Warpspeed is our system working at its best. The Federal Government assumes the financial risk - which alone cuts the timeline down - then gets out of the way.

 

[HALL85]

This this this this.

Actually, IMO, Operation Warpspeed is our system working at its best. The Federal Government assumes the financial risk - which alone cuts the timeline down - then gets out of the way.

You nailed it. OWS got the right people around the table and provided funding.

There are very few, if any, operational assets in the Federal Government to do the physical execution of this type of project. How do you think the vaccines got to the FEMA sites (it was the distribution network of McKesson and others); how did it get refrigerated for the sites? Trumps administration did a good job leading OWS and leveraging the private sector’s strength.