Jerry Carino @NJHoopsHaven 1h1 hour agoOnce seen as a role player, Derrick Gordon's doing it all for Seton Hall. His brother knows why http://on.app.com/1V1zKA3 via @AsburyParkPress
Carino: Derrick Gordon doing it all for Seton Hall
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Jerry Carino @NJHoopsHaven 1h1 hour agoOnce seen as a role player, Derrick Gordon's doing it all for Seton Hall. His brother knows why http://on.app.com/1V1zKA3 via @AsburyParkPress
I'm guessing KW started Gordon to throw some D at Dunn, but I actually like the rotation with Derrick starting at the two...enough offense on the floor with IW, Desi and Angel to start the game. And having Khadeen on the second unit along with Veer and Nzei, provides more balance and hopefully prevent that "dry spell" we see during the middle of the first half.
Gordon gives us a great spark and his D has improved a lot from the start of the year to where it is now fantastic. I wonder who we put on Josh Hart? Gordon/Ish or a combo of both of them. He is a guy we have to slow down on Wed night.
Gordon deserves a lot of credit for becoming a leader when its his first year with the team too. Nice job!
As far as starting him or bringing him in off the bench I'm good with either approach. I just think Khadeen has been our best player so far this year by far. As long as they both get their minutes I'm good with either approach.
Gordon deserves a lot of credit for becoming a leader when its his first year with the team too. Nice job!
As far as starting him or bringing him in off the bench I'm good with either approach. I just think Khadeen has been our best player so far this year by far. As long as they both get their minutes I'm good with either approach.
I disagree. Villanova is much more balanced than PC. PC relies on 2 guys. Villanova could have 3 guys or more beat you. I think the key is letting Hart get his, but finding a way to shut down everyone else. If Hart is the only guy in double figures for them we win. Gordon will make it tough on Arch. Another key is getting a lot of pressure on the guards making it difficult for them to get to the ball down low to Ochefu.
Prob should be in a different thread but the key to win should be to simply box out and limit second chance points
If we had to choose one player to stop or limit it would be to make sure ochefu doesn't have a monster game.
In my opinion, this game is won/loss based off of what Delgado shows up. The Delgado that switches and doubles the penetrators unnecessarily and let's the big men get wide open down low for layups and dunks or the one that plays fierce tenacious smart defense and prevents easy baskets to ochefu and other bigs.
If we had to choose one player to stop or limit it would be to make sure ochefu doesn't have a monster game.
In my opinion, this game is won/loss based off of what Delgado shows up. The Delgado that switches and doubles the penetrators unnecessarily and let's the big men get wide open down low for layups and dunks or the one that plays fierce tenacious smart defense and prevents easy baskets to ochefu and other bigs.
Oh, and I believe carrington should start. Gordon off the bench...though I have to admit Gordon has been playing great but not better than carrington.
Nzei first off bench for ish or Delgado but if we substitute Nzei for Delgado with ish there, we must play help defense with Desi at 3 and maybe Gordon instead of carrington to get rebounds.
Anthony and Anderson should get very limited minutes and only with foul trouble to one of our 3 bigs.
Nzei first off bench for ish or Delgado but if we substitute Nzei for Delgado with ish there, we must play help defense with Desi at 3 and maybe Gordon instead of carrington to get rebounds.
Anthony and Anderson should get very limited minutes and only with foul trouble to one of our 3 bigs.
Good points and I agree Nova is better than PC - have to be blind to not see that. Ochefu killed us last game too and our rebounding was atrocious and we gave up a ton of 2nd chance points. I wonder if Wright believes we will try and shut down one of those two guys (Ochefu and Hart) and develops his game plan around someone else hurting us? Should be interesting but we can't let them have those 2nd chance points.
I love Carrington as the sixth man -- brings instant offense, quick points, high energy. Gordon as the starter makes all the sense to me, both from a leadership and a defense standpoint. Also, Whitehead and Carrington, though they play well together at times, offer overlapping skillsets; both need the ball in their hands to thrive, usually through penetration.
Another reason Carrington's sixth-man role makes sense: I'd play him a lot with Veer, while pairing Whitehead and Desi. Those two just know each other so well, they make each other better. Not in any way trying to diminish Carrington, who's phenomenal, but I think bringing him off the bench, either as a 2 or to spell Whitehead as point, makes the most sense moving forward. He'll still get his points and his minutes.
Another reason Carrington's sixth-man role makes sense: I'd play him a lot with Veer, while pairing Whitehead and Desi. Those two just know each other so well, they make each other better. Not in any way trying to diminish Carrington, who's phenomenal, but I think bringing him off the bench, either as a 2 or to spell Whitehead as point, makes the most sense moving forward. He'll still get his points and his minutes.
with Carrington's FT shooting, I don't care whether he starts or not, but more if he in at the end of a close game with the ball in his hands.
Good point. You probably do an offense / defense substitution with Carrington / Gordon late in games.
Gordon as a starter makes sense when the opponent has a top notch guard as was the case with Dunn and PC. It would be a good plan, for example, against Georgetown with Smith-Rivera. Otherwise, imho, Carrington should be the starter.
Think we may be short changing Carrington here. He's a hell of a defender as well. He just doesn't have the same size as Gordon who in this particular game was a better match-up against the 6-4 Dunn.
I think it's more of Carrington's offense off the bench that's a difference maker than the disparity in his defense compared to Gordon. Carrington is also a bit prone to a foul trouble. Having him sub helps that situation...prevents him from picking up a quick one or two fouls.
When Gordon comes in Carrington comes out. Then when Carrington come back Whitehead takes a seat.
That rotation always has at least one scorer in the game. Plus it allows for more PT in the first half for the better scorers.
In the second half Willard usually sits Desi late and goes with 3 guards.
I have no problem with KW's guard rotation. In fact I would do the exact same thing.
That rotation always has at least one scorer in the game. Plus it allows for more PT in the first half for the better scorers.
In the second half Willard usually sits Desi late and goes with 3 guards.
I have no problem with KW's guard rotation. In fact I would do the exact same thing.
Well if the size is needed to make entry passes into Ochefu more difficult, start Gordon. As far as I'm concerned Ochefu is 3-0 in the matchups vs Delgado. Even though we won the first game, Ochefu dominated and got Delgado in foul trouble easily that game. We need to be all over Arch, Booth, and Brunson. If we do that we should be in it late and anything can happen.
Size as in bulk not height. There is only a 1 inch difference between Carrington and Gordon.
It was that size and strength that was the reason Willard started Gordon in that one particular game.
Both KC and DG deserve to start but unless we go to 3 guards, which is possible with Nova, KC should get the start , if for no other reason than a psychological motivator.
He has been the most consistent player and efficient scorer and overall workhorse. You have to love him out there. But regardless, IW,DG,KC will all see starter like minutes which is a plus and deserved by all three.
Once our guards are seen as consistent threat it will open up opts for big guys.
IW played great Saturday. He needs to maintain that same focus for Nova- move the ball and look for assist first. Then the right scoring opportunities will come. He plays as smart Wednesday as he did Saturday we have great chance for upset. Heck, if Angel has a better day with Ochekfu as well, we have a really great chance.
He has been the most consistent player and efficient scorer and overall workhorse. You have to love him out there. But regardless, IW,DG,KC will all see starter like minutes which is a plus and deserved by all three.
Once our guards are seen as consistent threat it will open up opts for big guys.
IW played great Saturday. He needs to maintain that same focus for Nova- move the ball and look for assist first. Then the right scoring opportunities will come. He plays as smart Wednesday as he did Saturday we have great chance for upset. Heck, if Angel has a better day with Ochekfu as well, we have a really great chance.
Derrick Gordon[as with Jevon Thomas], should have been 4 yr players at Seton Hall; for whatever reason, these type players very often go elsewhere[many times, as in Derrick's case, to inferior programs]. If we could only track better with local NJ-NY talent, I believe we could be a real force within the BE
The greatest teams of all time had a HOFer coming off the bench as the 6th man for years. Does it really matter which one starts or should it depend on who SH plays? BTW - Nelson, Sanders, Havlicheck (sp) to name a few on those great Celtics teams. Auerbach lied having a starter Coe of the bench.
