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Carino-NBA Draft: Expert's take on Ace Bailey, Dylan Harper, Kadary Richmond, Cliff Omoruyi

Richmond’s best year shooting the 3 was at SHU. He regressed with Pitino but his hand injury for which he had surgery after the season may have affected his shot at SJ.
 
Would be cool if KR can get some play in the NBA. Too bad his college would be listed as SJU even though he spent the most years here
 
Yes KR and DD did not improve their NBA draft prospects by transferring out of SHU.More $$ but didn't change their futures.
TBD if Kadary’s status has improved. It went downhill from Cuse once it became apparent the jump shot was a major issue.

But does him having an outstanding final year for a coach everyone in the NBA respects help get him signed on somewhere? Who knows.

I never bought the notion the 3-point shot would change overnight. Too hard to reconstruct something like that during a shortened window.
 
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Biggest surprise of the article to me is that Bailey seems way more polarizing a pick than I thought preseason and during the season.
 
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Micheal Wilbon on last night’s PTI was all over Bailey and his people, yikes what must this kid be doing?
 
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Micheal Wilbon on last night’s PTI was all over Bailey and his people, yikes what must this kid be doing?

Philly is in an interesting situation, to the extent that if I were Bailey and his camp I would want to avoid. They went all in on Paul George and a bunch of aging veterans to support Embiid and it failed. Now they are tethered to PG’s bad contract, Embiid’s injuries, and Tyrese Maxey and all indications are they’re going to run it back and try again to contend. They have Jared McCain as well, so I could understand why Bailey wants to go somewhere where the top priority isn’t necessarily to win games but to develop young players like himself.

Honestly I think that the Nets at 8 would be a decent situation with an up-and-coming young coach with promising young players like Cam Thomas who could shoulder the offensive load while Bailey develops, and additional 1st rounders from the Bridges trade to add pieces in the future.
 
Ace Bailey is in no position to try and dictate where he is picked. He has far too many flaws as a player to be refusing to interview or workout for any teams. If i was an NBA GM with a lottery pick, I wouldn't touch him.
 
I can see Richmond getting a two-way contract. He would excel in the G league, putting up flashing numbers. I don't know if that would be enough for him to get a call up to NBA though.
LIke what? 50% free throw shooting and 25% in threes? The guys in the "G" league are mostly more competitive and talented than what KR faced in college so do you really expect him to show more? I don't see him doing anything but showing more of why he was over rated. Not a lot of overall talent and one dimensional. Oh and less we forget not a very good defender. Rather lazy on "D".

Before the 2023-24 NBA season, the G League announced that 50 percent of players on opening night (NBA) rosters had G League experience.
 
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LIke what? 50% free throw shooting and 25% in threes? The guys in the "G" league are mostly more competitive and talented than what KR faced in college so do you really expect him to show more? I don't see him doing anything but showing more of why he was over rated. Not a lot of overall talent and one dimensional. Oh and less we forget not a very good defender. Rather lazy on "D".

Before the 2023-24 NBA season, the G League announced that 50 percent of players on opening night (NBA) rosters had G League experience.
I get the Richmond hate, and I was more critical on here about him than most, but Richmond "not a very good defender"? He was a terrific defensive player. An anchor of one of the best defenses in the country last year.

As to whether he will catch-on with a NBA team -- TBD. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder with a unique player like him. You are right that the bigger, stronger, and more athletic players in the pros will be something he needs to overcome, because he won't be able to get away with bully ball like he did in college his last 2 years. Is there a team that sees the versatility and basketball IQ and decides it wants to invest in him with the hope of improving the jump shot over a long haul? We shall see.
 
Pretty spot on observations. Idk if Kadary can play the wide open floor spreading NBA game, but I hope he does.
 
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richmond has added nothing to his game since he was at he Hall. if he was going to play in the NBA he'd be there already. the only thing different is that he's older now, and nba hates that. he was a size advantage and that's gone in the nba. i would highly bet against him getting drafted
 
You may think I hate KR but the truth is I don't. I have no reason to. Sure I am a critic and that is all about my perception. I just think he is way over rated. He has talent but is not the well rounded player that I think would make a decent NBA player. I did not think he was a hustle type player. I still do not believe he was very good defensively and was lazy on "D". His offensive stats have big holes in them.
 
St. John’s was 2nd nationally in defensive efficiency. Richmond had a sparkling 90.1 defensive rating. He was a semifinalist for the Naismith National Defensive Player of The Year.

He gets steals, blocks shots, rebounds, and clogs passing lanes. But he can’t shoot so, no maybe no NBA.
 
St. John’s was 2nd nationally in defensive efficiency. Richmond had a sparkling 90.1 defensive rating. He was a semifinalist for the Naismith National Defensive Player of The Year.

He gets steals, blocks shots, rebounds, and clogs passing lanes. But he can’t shoot so, no maybe no NBA.
stats are only valued when they prove shu sucks lol
 
LIke what? 50% free throw shooting and 25% in threes?
Perhaps, though I think it's more likely it will be by slashing to the basket, which I suspect will be there for him in the wide open up and down G league games.
 
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St. John’s was 2nd nationally in defensive efficiency. Richmond had a sparkling 90.1 defensive rating. He was a semifinalist for the Naismith National Defensive Player of The Year.

He gets steals, blocks shots, rebounds, and clogs passing lanes. But he can’t shoot so, no maybe no NBA.
Yup and what does the guy he defends do? Scores at will. He is poor at defending the 3 point shot. He had a lot of help on that St John's team. Team defense.
 
He is very skilled but can’t shoot. His athleticism is low tier in the NBA. I wish him well but I don’t see him in the nba except for a cup of coffee.
 
After 5 years in college under 4 respected coaches Kadary is what he is. He's a long, strong-bodied PG who can breakdown defenders, get penetration and find teammates. He effects winning in so many ways as a very good rebounder and defender. Those are all traits that the NBA values. But he's a terrible shooter from range which would be more amplified by the longer 3-pt line.

Inability to hit a 3 is a fatal flaw in the NBA. He'll get an opportunity in the G-league as a likely 2-Way contract player. From there, he'll have to improve his shooting or find a franchise that is willing to live with his deficiency and maximize what he does well.
 
Uhm point guards need to make free throws too. His limited skills that you point out will be more challenged in the NBA by bigger stronger more skilled players. Finishing plays in the paint will not be as easy for him.

Everyone is talking "G" league but he might go to play overseas.
 
If Richmond were to somehow make it to the NBA, he would fit right in with all the others doing “load management”. He wouldn’t even have to call it general soreness anymore!
He missed eight games in five years. Six of those eight in one season.

Yet, you're still hung on him missing two games after he took a bad fall (when he shouldn't have even been on the floor) and then played 51 of a possible 55 minutes with a bad back.

LIke what? 50% free throw shooting and 25% in threes? The guys in the "G" league are mostly more competitive and talented than what KR faced in college so do you really expect him to show more? I don't see him doing anything but showing more of why he was over rated. Not a lot of overall talent and one dimensional. Oh and less we forget not a very good defender. Rather lazy on "D".

Before the 2023-24 NBA season, the G League announced that 50 percent of players on opening night (NBA) rosters had G League experience.
Not many untalented one dimensional players make First-team All Big East.

I think his ceiling is an end of the bench player in the NBA. His shot limits him but people smarter than you and I think his other skills largely translate.

He's not getting drafted but he'll have chances to prove himself.
 
Geez. First it was the never ending debate on Willard that some posters still can’t let go. Now it’s Richmond. You can debate if he will play in the NBA but the laziness and can’t play defense is bizarre. We’ll be debating this for another five years.
 
Yes we will debate it for years as long as there is not much else to talk about during the summer and if the Hall does not produce a lot of wins this upcoming season. We do this with a number of players who moved on.
 
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Geez. First it was the never ending debate on Willard that some posters still can’t let go. Now it’s Richmond. You can debate if he will play in the NBA but the laziness and can’t play defense is bizarre. We’ll be debating this for another five years.
Apparently Jim Boeheim and Rick Pitino not being greet coaches is part of the deal now too. What a world!!!
 
Apparently Jim Boeheim and Rick Pitino not being greet coaches is part of the deal now too. What a world!!!
To be fair, Richmond's tenure at Syracuse wasn't exactly peak Boeheim. Is it fair to say Kadary's decision to play at Seton Hall was the best one of his college career?

(Some of you may remember that I wanted him at UConn. Apparently Hurley did not.)
 
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To be fair, Richmond's tenure at Syracuse wasn't exactly peak Boeheim. Is it fair to say Kadary's decision to play at Seton Hall was the best one of his college career?

(Some of you may remember that I wanted him at UConn. Apparently Hurley did not.)
Boeheim is a great coach. Whether anyone likes him or not. Kadary played for him as a freshman, did solid for a first year player on a team that ultimately made the Sweet 16. Obviously they didn’t get along well on some level it seems, but I’m not putting that solely on a coach who has developed a zillion pros and won a million games. Chalk it up to either a bad fit or a young player who needed to mature.

As far as KR, his best decision was what he did last year.
 
Apparently Jim Boeheim and Rick Pitino not being greet coaches is part of the deal now too. What a world!!!
Whoa. Who said Pitino and Boeheim weren’t great coaches. My point is when Richmond wasn’t injured he had a great year three at SHU. And he had great year at SJ. If I’m not mistaken, Pitino talked very highly of Richmond in terms of his defense and willingness to play despite being hurt. KR had surgery on his hand immediately after the season as we all know.
 
Whoa. Who said Pitino and Boeheim weren’t great coaches. My point is when Richmond wasn’t injured he had a great year three at SHU. And he had great year at SJ. If I’m not mistaken, Pitino talked very highly of Richmond in terms of his defense and willingness to play despite being hurt. KR had surgery on his hand immediately after the season as we all know.
Not you. Right above you
 
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Boeheim is a great coach. Whether anyone likes him or not. Kadary played for him as a freshman, did solid for a first year player on a team that ultimately made the Sweet 16. Obviously they didn’t get along well on some level it seems, but I’m not putting that solely on a coach who has developed a zillion pros and won a million games. Chalk it up to either a bad fit or a young player who needed to mature.

As far as KR, his best decision was what he did last year.
Boeheim wasn't a great coach when Richmond was there. He was old and past his prime. Syracuse fans who all calling for him to retire.
 
Jimmy B was on the latter stage of his career at that point and the Cuse wasn't the same program as they were several years into the ACC transition. I still think he was an excellent coach. In the years immediately preceding Richmond, post Big East, Boeheim still went to a final 4 and another Sweet 16. It wasn't the 80s/90s/early 2000s vintage Boeheim/Cuse, but I still don't think the reason Kadary didn't work there is because he was being coached by some diminished version of Jimmy B.

The Cuse fans calling for him to retire remind me of the Giant fans who wanted Coughlin out the door. Be careful what you wish for. And I say all this as someone who disliked Boeheim the most out of any of the OG Big East coaches because of his whining personality and other antics.
 
I remember Cuse fans yelling for Boehein to be fired in the early 80s. They told me as I bought their BE tickets for cost as they walked away from MSG in an Orange Cuse sweatshirt after an early BE tourney loss lol

I didnt think they were very smart but they had decent tickets
 
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Not you. Right above you
If you were referring to my post than you don't know what sarcasm is. It was a very sarcastic remark bringing up how Kadary could not better his shooting with Pitino and could not play for more than a year for the great Jim Boeheim. Both legends in the coaching ranks.

I would bet both coaches have a great track record for sending kids to the pros. If you can't succeed with either man then something is wrong with your game.
 
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