For the benefit of the uninformed and the brain dead, what are JAG and RWJ?
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do not rule that out... the lawsuit involving the RCAN directly involves his handling of the seminary..
The Corporate Partnership thing needs to be done very intelligently. Have no idea what McGride or others were doing, but you’ve got to make a case to the Corporates that to invest in our NIL they have a chance to reach XX thousand, million what have you. I wonder if we’ve done that type of analysis to realize what is the market out there for SHU interested audience. Perhaps the answer is not good, but that analysis needs to be done if we’re going to provide a value prop to these entities.
If it were me, I'd forget that transfer market and return to recruiting freshmen. There's posts here about needing to play moneyball, which I agree with, but moneyball isn't all about analytics (though they help) - it's about valuing what the market undervalues (or in this case at least doesn't overvalue). I anticipate the market overvaluing the portal relative to freshmen because the big boys are going to want to spend their money on more known commodities and everyone's afraid of developing freshmen just to have them poached down the line. That leaves some value opportunities in the freshman recruiting market. Yes, you'll have to pay them with competitive raises down the road to keep them but you'll have more money to do that when you're spending less on new incoming players (because they'll be freshmen, not transfers) and in just about every industry it's considered cheaper to retain talent than to bring in new talent. That doesn't mean we can low-ball them and expect them to stay. It also doesn't mean we'll never lose anyone to a transfer. But if we're willing and able to pay them what they're worth, I do believe we can keep most of them around.
It was mentioned during our Marquette game that Shaka was yet to lose anyone to the portal because he earned his players trust by not recruiting over them in the portal himself (and I'm sure he gave them competitive raises as well).
The other side of his, regardless of if they go the freshman route or the portal route, is how important it is to be on the same page as sales and marketing. If I'm trying to sell this product, I'd also much prefer they go the freshman route because I'm going to have more success selling "come support Seton Hall students who are a part of this university community as they grow over 4 years" than I am selling "come support this group of mercenaries wearing blue and white jerseys for this year." Obviously that wouldn't be the line, but the point is the messaging would and should change based on what the team does. If we focus on keeping players around, I'm going to focus on marketing the individual players and helping our fan base get to know them. If we're fully turning over the roster every year, I'm focusing on the coach, the logo and the colors. Perhaps winning cures all, but I think one approach would be more sustainable, generate more revenue, and result in more consistent long-term winning than the other.
It was mentioned during our Marquette game that Shaka was yet to lose anyone to the portal because he earned his players trust by not recruiting over them in the portal himself (and I'm sure he gave them competitive raises as well).
The other side of his, regardless of if they go the freshman route or the portal route, is how important it is to be on the same page as sales and marketing. If I'm trying to sell this product, I'd also much prefer they go the freshman route because I'm going to have more success selling "come support Seton Hall students who are a part of this university community as they grow over 4 years" than I am selling "come support this group of mercenaries wearing blue and white jerseys for this year." Obviously that wouldn't be the line, but the point is the messaging would and should change based on what the team does. If we focus on keeping players around, I'm going to focus on marketing the individual players and helping our fan base get to know them. If we're fully turning over the roster every year, I'm focusing on the coach, the logo and the colors. Perhaps winning cures all, but I think one approach would be more sustainable, generate more revenue, and result in more consistent long-term winning than the other.
Thanks for the perspective and it does ring true. I had hired a chief philanthropy officer several years ago as we had never had anyone at that level lead development. I learned so much from her in terms of planned giving, SYBUNT, LYBUNT, etc., that she made my head spin. Came from a small/midsized university that typically has department of 8 to 12 people in that department. She was an army of one for us and outsourced grant writing and other non-core functions. What she was great at was cultivating relationships, creating programs and pressing the flesh every day. And she drew in executives from the company when she needed. It is not a position where you sit at your desk. Her results spoke for themselves.
Based on our giving rate, I don’t get the sense we have the right number of people nor strategies in place to really raise the game. Patriot league University out here has a full-time development person that travels around the world and engages alumni living internationally.
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This is the core competency. You do this and assuming you are not meeting with the entirely wrong people, you'll do well. And those people's jobs are made much easier with strong prospect researchers, the ones who can find and identify the ones these folks need to cultivate.
As you know the good ones are always asking questions about who the right people are. There is more data available today to target high value donors, but it starts with trusted relationships and having that ability to make the “ask”. I actually hated and sucked at that part of the job. But she had a way of being genuine, transparent and great at it. It’s a gift. All I needed to do was make introductions and turn the relationship over to her and she was like a dog with a sock….lol.
It's definitely a gift. I've watched some excellent people get their jaws around that sock!
Exactly. The manpower hours to scout and provide options cannot be done by him. He has the final say but people have to give him the options and price tags imo. He gets involved to get things over the line, etc.
We are not even close to the staff we need to do this. It’s part of the reason McBride was ineffective.
Higher ups at the university are targeting mega donors.
Yes, the responsibility for major donors was not his responsibility, from what I know. That role and cultivation, which can take a lot of time, was not his.
I partially agree - there will certainly be value in the freshman market but the reality is if they play above their heads they'll probably be moving on for a bigger payday (just like Coleman). If you have the proper system & development in place you can withstand that with occasional down years where the stars don't align. With a limited NIL budget don't count on anyone staying 4 years - you go with the flow, accept guys will move on (at least while they continue trying to improve the NIL budget)
Offers from other schools will come and maybe every once in a while there will be one that we can't match even if we wanted to, but I do think for the most part with this system we would reach a place where we could match most offers on our own players if we choose to.
What about Prudential Insurance right there in Newark or Mars WRIGLEY whose headquarters is right across the street from Pru Center??
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