On the loss to Villanova today and even more praise on a friggin winless season. Absolutely ZERO wins! I hope you guys realize that SHU is probably one of the worst teams in Div 1.
Congrats coach Echeverry
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Hey, it's hard to blow multi-goal leads late in the game like that (again). That's special coaching!
It is truly a shame of what has happened to what used to be one of the most successful programs at SH. Perhaps the most disheartening part of the state of the program is that after 4 years under this staff there is nothing to suggest that any real progress has taken place to return to the prominence it once had.
Progress???? This team has gotten worse every season. Hopefully the Administration has the intelligence that this guy can't do it and they put up some money to get the Delaware coach in. Soccer fortunately is a sport where there can be a quick turnaround. But this clown running the show is making it harder and harder each passing season
I mean do you realize how hard it is to go winless in a soccer season. I don't want to hear the about the youth and how much they lost. It's a broken record every game. Seems like there is talent just no coach. Get a man with a system and a proven record of that system bring implemented and working.
2 legit soccer players... 1 tried out for Mexican league scouts last year in Flordia but they did not sign him since he was under 18 and not a Mexican citizen/dual citizen and the other has trained with the Costa Rican and Venazuelean U21 national teams... Both are Colombian. Both talk up Delaware, Monmouth and Nova. They know I went to SHU and they always mention how SHU is terrible.
That's always fun to hear.
That's always fun to hear.
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My first call would go to Rob McCourt at Monmouth. If SHU can't pay more than Monmouth does for a soccer coach, it's pretty pathetic. Pony up 100-125 K or so, otherwise all the fancy locker room improvements are a complete waste.
McCourt, a Kearny guy, has made Monmouth into the best program in the MAAC, but that only takes you so far other than a win and maybe if your lucky two in the NCAA tournament. The ceiling at Seton Hall, where you get to play in one of the top soccer conferences in the country, is so much higher. And if you are a good coach, who can draw upon local connections -- which is precisely what he's done at Monmouth -- the rebuild can come quickly.
McCourt, a Kearny guy, has made Monmouth into the best program in the MAAC, but that only takes you so far other than a win and maybe if your lucky two in the NCAA tournament. The ceiling at Seton Hall, where you get to play in one of the top soccer conferences in the country, is so much higher. And if you are a good coach, who can draw upon local connections -- which is precisely what he's done at Monmouth -- the rebuild can come quickly.
I'm waiting to see what action Lyons takes with respect to this program. If , in fact, Gerson has a 7 year contract then you'll probably see Gerson back next year. With only 3 seniors on the team not a lot of room to upgrade the talent on the roster.
Monmouth's campus and facilities are first rate. We really don't compete in that regard. But in the end they play for the coach and we are in a better conference so that would be the right first call.
Gerson is coming back next year unless he decides to leave. It would've been great to see one of our own succeed here but it is not never going to happen with the current regime. You guys have no idea how much worse things are within this program then just the record.
He coaches at PDA and can't get any of thise kids to come here.
Never mind the god awful soccer facility we play at.
The entire program is severly broken as is their thinking on how to build it back up.
He coaches at PDA and can't get any of thise kids to come here.
Never mind the god awful soccer facility we play at.
The entire program is severly broken as is their thinking on how to build it back up.
That money won't get it done to pry McCourt from Monmouth. He may be making that now or more. I agree he would be the number one choice. But you have to go pay for him.
don't forget about George Nazario, a former SHU great, who coaches at the College of New Jersey as a possible replacement.
I had been told Monmouth was paying McCourt in the upper 40s until Rutgers made a push when they ultimately hired Donigan. Monmouth then supposedly gave McCourt a raise into the 80s.
We're not talking a million-dollar deal here.
We're not talking a million-dollar deal here.
And we have so few D1 sports. If we can't afford to pay market, that's pretty sad. Too bad we have that untenable contract...
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Speculating about possible candidates to run the men's program, although understandable, is surely premature as we haven't seen any appetite by the school to make changes among its head coaches while they're still under contract. Of course it becomes increasingly difficult to reconcile the public statements emitting from the athletic department of a commitment to athletic success and the pursuit of conference championships and the failure to take action when programs are failing and showing no progress.
Of course that's the case, but things are at such an absurdly low level in that program that it's worth the discussion.
Perhaps the only reason the team finished with the one tie was because OT was stopped that day because of torrential rain in Charleston. Might have saved them from another L.
Perhaps the only reason the team finished with the one tie was because OT was stopped that day because of torrential rain in Charleston. Might have saved them from another L.
Dan Donigan at Rutgers makes $132,600 as a base salary. The team is ranked #16.
The women's head soccer coach, Mike O'Neil, a Seton Hall alum, makes a base salary of $108,625. They are ranked #7. O'Neil was an assistant and SHU could have made an offer.
If SHU wants to compete, they better spend more money.
The women's head soccer coach, Mike O'Neil, a Seton Hall alum, makes a base salary of $108,625. They are ranked #7. O'Neil was an assistant and SHU could have made an offer.
If SHU wants to compete, they better spend more money.
I have the perfect candidate for the position. A SHU legacy who starred here when the program was great. He has 4 years head coaching experienced in big time Division 1 soccer, 8 years as assistant and played professionally for 5 years. He has connections in the local club scene and to international players. And, he comes cheap, much cheaper than what Rutgers, Delaware, or Monmouth pay.
Why would our soccer coach, who was a nobody before, get a seven year deal?
Terry Collins just got a two-year extension after leading the Mets to the World Series.
I highly doubt that's the case. Dr. Esteban wasn't even given a 7-year deal. There's no reason to think that a soccer coach with no prior experience got anything more than a very basic contract.
Just remember this is the school that gave a contract extension to its men's basketball coach .
the coach got hired because he was an old pirate and cheaaaap. All he does is play foreign or ethnic players which is literally the strategy of someone who watches saturday morning soccer a few times. Look what its got him.
Does anyone know how often he started the same lineup??
btw 3 of his players last year did really well on the RedBulls vs Chelsea... decent enough talent... Literally a child coach would have given the team a better record with even just 3 players like that.
Like coach willard, if youre reading this, do everyone a favor including yourself and just quit.
Does anyone know how often he started the same lineup??
btw 3 of his players last year did really well on the RedBulls vs Chelsea... decent enough talent... Literally a child coach would have given the team a better record with even just 3 players like that.
Like coach willard, if youre reading this, do everyone a favor including yourself and just quit.
Pirates Fall To Villanova In Overtime On Senior Day
Spencer Burkhardt and Julian Kennedy scored for The Hall
Julian Kennedy scored his second goal of the year on his Senior Day
Nov. 5, 2015
Final Stats
SOUTH ORANGE, N.J. – The Seton Hall men’s soccer team dropped its 2015 finale to Villanova by a score of 3-2 in overtime on Thursday afternoon at Owen T. Carroll Field. The Pirates (0-15-1, 0-9-0 BIG EAST) got goals from Spencer Burkhardt (Palmyra, Pa.) and Julian Kennedy (Nindorf, Germany) in the setback.
Two first-half goals gave The Hall a 2-0 lead at the break, which it held until Villanova (9-8-0, 4-5-0) struck twice in a span of less than a minute in the 77th and 78th. That forced an extra period, and six minutes into overtime Sean Sheridan struck for his second of the game to lift the Wildcats to a golden goal victory.
The Pirates held a 22-15 edge in shots for the match, firing a season-high in attempts led by Samuel Geiler (Offenburg, Germany) with six. Geiler also assisted on both Pirate goals, rounding his total to three for the season.
Turning Point
In a span of 59 seconds starting at 76:37, Villanova scored twice to erase a 2-0 deficit and tie the match. Sheridan notched the first goal with a header off a corner kick, before Max Kroschwitz tallied off a long throw-in for the second.
Goals
SHU – 6th minute – Julian Kennedy (2) one-touch finish off Samuel Geiler cross (2)
SHU – 38th minute – Spencer Burkhardt (2) diagonal shot across box off Geiler (3) through-ball
VU – 77th minute – Sean Sheridan (7) header off Miguel Polley corner kick
VU – 78th minute – Max Kroschwitz finished scramble after long throw-in
VU – 96th minute – Sheridan received long throw from Kroschwitz and finished across box
Inside The Numbers
The 22 shots for The Hall were a season-best and the second time in 2015 they notched 20 or more
Samuel Geiler’s six shots were the most for a Pirate in a game this season
Geiler also notched the first two-assist effort for a Pirate in 2015
Julian Kennedy finished his senior season with five points; his previous season-high was one
News and Notes
The Hall honored its senior class of Danny Bartok, Julian Kennedy, Eric Lagg and Jeremy Witherspoon prior to the contest
Brandon Barnes (Cary, Ill.) made five saves to give him 12 over his last two matches, most in a two-game span for any Pirate keeper this season
The 37 combined shots for the two sides mark the most in a game for The Hall this season
Up Next
Thursday’s match marked the conclusion of the 2015 season for The Hall.
http://www.shupirates.com/sports/m-soccer/recaps/110515aaa.html
Spencer Burkhardt and Julian Kennedy scored for The Hall
Julian Kennedy scored his second goal of the year on his Senior Day
Nov. 5, 2015
Final Stats
SOUTH ORANGE, N.J. – The Seton Hall men’s soccer team dropped its 2015 finale to Villanova by a score of 3-2 in overtime on Thursday afternoon at Owen T. Carroll Field. The Pirates (0-15-1, 0-9-0 BIG EAST) got goals from Spencer Burkhardt (Palmyra, Pa.) and Julian Kennedy (Nindorf, Germany) in the setback.
Two first-half goals gave The Hall a 2-0 lead at the break, which it held until Villanova (9-8-0, 4-5-0) struck twice in a span of less than a minute in the 77th and 78th. That forced an extra period, and six minutes into overtime Sean Sheridan struck for his second of the game to lift the Wildcats to a golden goal victory.
The Pirates held a 22-15 edge in shots for the match, firing a season-high in attempts led by Samuel Geiler (Offenburg, Germany) with six. Geiler also assisted on both Pirate goals, rounding his total to three for the season.
Turning Point
In a span of 59 seconds starting at 76:37, Villanova scored twice to erase a 2-0 deficit and tie the match. Sheridan notched the first goal with a header off a corner kick, before Max Kroschwitz tallied off a long throw-in for the second.
Goals
SHU – 6th minute – Julian Kennedy (2) one-touch finish off Samuel Geiler cross (2)
SHU – 38th minute – Spencer Burkhardt (2) diagonal shot across box off Geiler (3) through-ball
VU – 77th minute – Sean Sheridan (7) header off Miguel Polley corner kick
VU – 78th minute – Max Kroschwitz finished scramble after long throw-in
VU – 96th minute – Sheridan received long throw from Kroschwitz and finished across box
Inside The Numbers
The 22 shots for The Hall were a season-best and the second time in 2015 they notched 20 or more
Samuel Geiler’s six shots were the most for a Pirate in a game this season
Geiler also notched the first two-assist effort for a Pirate in 2015
Julian Kennedy finished his senior season with five points; his previous season-high was one
News and Notes
The Hall honored its senior class of Danny Bartok, Julian Kennedy, Eric Lagg and Jeremy Witherspoon prior to the contest
Brandon Barnes (Cary, Ill.) made five saves to give him 12 over his last two matches, most in a two-game span for any Pirate keeper this season
The 37 combined shots for the two sides mark the most in a game for The Hall this season
Up Next
Thursday’s match marked the conclusion of the 2015 season for The Hall.
http://www.shupirates.com/sports/m-soccer/recaps/110515aaa.html
Our athletic director is paid a base salary of approximately 450K and we as a school can not afford to pay a great men's soccer coach 125K. Something is VERY wrong here.
Wow. Is that how much Lyons makes? Deduct $50,000 for each losing season for each team. It seems Lyons' goal is to have the worst teams play in the best facilities.
Again, do you know how damn hard it is to go winless??? It's not one of these things where the talent needs to improve or they are young. This team has absolutely NO coach. You do not hire a career assistant to be the head coach and run a program in Division 1. This man is clueless and doesn't really care. You almost have to try your hardest not to win 1 game at this level
It's interesting that there's an actual discussion about a fourth-year coach surviving a winless season.
Would that happen elsewhere?
Would that happen elsewhere?
But everyone keeps saying Lyons is the greatest AD this school has ever had. Men's soccer and basketball basically in the toilet but don't worry we got brand new facilities. Great. How about some accountability that soccer and men's hoops has gotten worse. And don't give me the 'these teams are young excuse' every single season. It's nonsense. Lyons continually gets a pass and really don't know why. Well at least he has hitched his wagon to the women's golf team you know the real bread winner at the school (sense the sarcasm). The athletic department runs like a mid major program. Doubt it changes soon and/or ever.
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Lyons is far from a great AD and is so overpaid for being at a school with few and lousy sports teams. Honestly we should drop down to the NEC and call it a day. We can't compete with the big boys. Our locker rooms may be nice but everything else sucks. No arena, no fields, we're a joke of a school.
You guys should see the KAC where SHP is putting in 2 new baseball fields, tennis courts, a turf practice field, a football stadium, etc. Our idiot leaders should purchase 40 acres of blighted land in Newark and do the same.
You guys should see the KAC where SHP is putting in 2 new baseball fields, tennis courts, a turf practice field, a football stadium, etc. Our idiot leaders should purchase 40 acres of blighted land in Newark and do the same.
1. He is not clueless. Have you had a conversation with him ever?
2. Anyone who thinks that he doesn't care has no clue about the program. I would expect more from a prominent soccer poster such as you 'hallsoccer03'
3. How does one get to be a head coach? Don't most people become an assistant first? You act like SHU should have hired Jurgen Klinsmann to come in and coach the team. You have unrealistic expectations about who Seton Hall can get as a coach.
Thats silly. There's a lot of ground to cover between a guy who just had a winless season (winless season!) and the US National coach.
There are dozens of candidates who could, would and should coach Seton Hall. The school just has to pay a market rate for the right guy. That's not happening right now.
Forget about conversing with him. The results don't lie, and they've been beyond pitiful.
There are dozens of candidates who could, would and should coach Seton Hall. The school just has to pay a market rate for the right guy. That's not happening right now.
Forget about conversing with him. The results don't lie, and they've been beyond pitiful.
Ok MB, here is how this goes. You do not hire a lifetime assistant to run a high Division. 1 program. Yes you have to start somewhere, at a big east school is not it. He has no head coaching experience anywhere! This isn't just some opinion I have, this has been told to my by coaches of some of our national teams.
Ok have I ever talked to him? Nope not at all. But I've seen enough to realize he can't run a program. Does he know soccer, sure he was a very good player. Doesn't mean he is a good coach. Just because MJ was the greatest obviously doesn't mean he would be a good coach or executive. The guy cannot run a program plain and simple, and when I say he doesn't care, I am basically referring to the broken record each game is. He never changes anything and the players are not put in the positions they need to be in to succeed. If he never learns or changes anything then to me he couldn't care less.
I don't know what is expected of me as a poster but if I did not meet your expectations you have my apologies. I will not hesitate to say that I feel I know the game very well, know tactics and strategies , can point out talent , and I can develop a players skills through my experience. Could I be a full time coach? Yes I could but choose not to. With all this I can safely say the the SHU men 's coach is horrible and really is not fit to be head coach. If me sYing this leads you to feel to expect more from me then I'm not sure what you want me to be, should I be more like Eric Wynalda or Alexi Lalas with my opinions?
SnakeTom has the right answer whenever there's a discussion about a coach's abilities and its this " You are what your record is" and in year four our soccer team went winless and that speaks volumes to me. The question is not about how much a coach knows about the sport he's running but does he have ALL the skills needed to run a successful program . When a program has gone years without having success whether it be men's or women's basketball, or men's or women's soccer you have to find the right person to run and rebuild a program and you're always better off with someone with head coaching experience as we've seen with women's BB. Hiring someone with head coaching experience is no guarantee but it does improve the odds. The ball is now in Pat's hands to make decisions about at what point do you say this is not the right person to get us to where we want to go and if the losing continues and no changes are made then the publicly stated goal of athletic success in all our programs becomes an empty promise.
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