Congrats coach Echeverry
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It seems we have this same conversation about every sport.
You simply do not attract the best talent when you offer the lowest salary. It's kind of like the news business. Most newspapers only want people who graduated from college last week, and are paying about $25-35K. The quality suffers.
Yet hiring a head coach is like a box of chocolates. You never know until... Well you get the point.
Take Ian Hennessy, for example. He is now about to finish his 10th season as head coach at Delaware. He was an assistant for four years to Ed Kelly at BC before taking over.
We would all probably love for SHU to hire him.
Yet Hennessy has an overall losing record. He did not have a winning season at Delaware until his sixth year.
He proceed to have another losing record in his eighth year. People here would be demanding his dismissal.
Nevertheless, I'd take an alumnus with those 14 years of coaching experience under his belt. That's a lot of knowledge that can be applied to compete at the highest levels.
If you look at his roster, he has a mix of players including several from Europe. He seems to have a strong connection to Spain.
Perhaps a raise and the opportunity to coach at his alma mater and in the Big East would lure him.
I would love to know what the soccer experts think about him or other potential names.
I'm asking because I just don't see how a head coach can hold on after a winless season.
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You simply do not attract the best talent when you offer the lowest salary. It's kind of like the news business. Most newspapers only want people who graduated from college last week, and are paying about $25-35K. The quality suffers.
Yet hiring a head coach is like a box of chocolates. You never know until... Well you get the point.
Take Ian Hennessy, for example. He is now about to finish his 10th season as head coach at Delaware. He was an assistant for four years to Ed Kelly at BC before taking over.
We would all probably love for SHU to hire him.
Yet Hennessy has an overall losing record. He did not have a winning season at Delaware until his sixth year.
He proceed to have another losing record in his eighth year. People here would be demanding his dismissal.
Nevertheless, I'd take an alumnus with those 14 years of coaching experience under his belt. That's a lot of knowledge that can be applied to compete at the highest levels.
If you look at his roster, he has a mix of players including several from Europe. He seems to have a strong connection to Spain.
Perhaps a raise and the opportunity to coach at his alma mater and in the Big East would lure him.
I would love to know what the soccer experts think about him or other potential names.
I'm asking because I just don't see how a head coach can hold on after a winless season.
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Maybe you should own up and volunteer as an assistant coach like other former players have done/do. It doesn't look like SHU has a full coaching staff. I'm sure they would welcome any help you could provide. Maybe then, you could help 'develop the players skills through your experience'. That would be a lot more helpful than to sit behind a keyboard and moan and complain about everything. But i guess that's all this board is, just an anonymous way to complain and flame members of the current staff in the athletics department.
We need more people to support the athletic department by donating time, money or resources to help build up our unsatisfactory facilities (Owen Carrol, Walsh), and showing up to non-basketball sporting events, maybe people could make a difference.
I've been to at least 20 non basketball events since basketball season has ended, the majority of the people that attend those events are parents and students. Plain and simple. As a proud SHU Alum, who lives in the area, I'm disappointed by lack of alumni fans, not only the past athletes, but also former students that still live in the area.
He's already priced out of Seton Hall's range. http://www.udel.edu/hrclass/compsystem/jobtitles.html
I'm assuming he's closer to the Maximum than the Midpoint range in salary, SHU is not going to pay him more than he earns now. So, without a significant amount of more money, why would he want to leave Delaware and their low taxes, and move to NJ and the highest taxes in the country?
Need to be more realistic. Would you rather have Iona's Soccer coach?
Perhaps they don't want to come and watch teams lose all the time.
Oh Mb, I would but SHU doesn't need former players to volunteer or be assistants, they need a head coach. And also the teams problem isn't really about talent, it's the management of the team.
So in the meantime I will sit behind my keyboard and moan and complain about pointing out we have one of the west Div 1 soccer programs in America. I said from day 1 when Echeverry was hired. Career assistants don't get big head coaching jobs. Especially assistants who I believe was a GK coach and had absolutely nothing to do with strategy implementation.
Again do you realize how bad you have to be to go winless????? That's the issue year 4 and they go winless?????
Do you realize how much that kills me to see? I still get annoyed when my high school team doesn't do well. So I'm sorry if I take the SHU men's soccer team being an embarrassment personally.
So in the meantime I will sit behind my keyboard and moan and complain about pointing out we have one of the west Div 1 soccer programs in America. I said from day 1 when Echeverry was hired. Career assistants don't get big head coaching jobs. Especially assistants who I believe was a GK coach and had absolutely nothing to do with strategy implementation.
Again do you realize how bad you have to be to go winless????? That's the issue year 4 and they go winless?????
Do you realize how much that kills me to see? I still get annoyed when my high school team doesn't do well. So I'm sorry if I take the SHU men's soccer team being an embarrassment personally.
Hallsoccer is correct. We cannot move forward with this coach. If there is any commitment to sports at SHU a change must be made now. Lyons gave him a seven year deal and he has to make this right and buyout his last 3yrs. $240k is small peanuts to pay. We can't recruit and our program is a laughingstock. For lyons to have any credibility he has to make a change. If we can't afford this small amount then we have no business being in the Big East. Also, maybe somebody can teach lyons how to do contracts going forward.
We scored 14 goals this season and 6 of those goals are graduating.
We scored 14 goals this season and 6 of those goals are graduating.
Hallsoccer. ..as bad as it seems on the surface and your observations are excellent, if you knew what was going on behind the scenes you would throw up.
A first time head coach got a seven year contract?
I guess he'll be back. There's no way they will buy him out. My one hope is that the team had 20 freshman and sophomores this season. Hopefully they will have learned and will improve, and so will the coach.
I don't understand soccer coaching hiring.
Our women's head coach, for example, was a goalie as a player, and was a goalie coach. (He was a head coach at FDU for one season, and very briefly in the pros.)
So his first year at SHU he hires a top assistant who was defensive specialist. (Granted, she had big-time success at Notre Dame and was a pro.) That assistant leaves after the first season and is replaced by somebody who was a goalie and a goalie coach.
Does that make sense for a team that consistently goes scoreless game after game? Wouldn't you pack the staff with offensive minded assistants who played midfield, for example?
400, I see what you are saying about the assistants, but honestly assistants aren't what they are in other sports like they are in soccer. It's not like football with the coordinators, or basketball with the assistants. AC 's in soccer are much different. For the most part it doesn't matter if they are the GK coach or another position. Remember football players either play offense or defense and have many specific positions. Same thing with basketball. Soccer players for the most part at one time or another have played most field positions. Hell Klinnsman has half the USMNT playing out of their normal positions.
The head coach is responsible for everything and the assistants are there to oversee things basically because the coach can't see it all. Which is why you don't hire a career assistant as head coach of a big east school. As for the women's team I wouldn't look into it too much what positions they played or coached. I always say to be a better offensive player you need to play fullback to understand how they think and Vice Versa. If you are coaching at this level nothing should be foreign to you.
Soccer03
You're forgetting the most important job of an assistant coach and that is seeing and evaluating HS/ Prep talent and building relationships with the top programs . An experienced assistant already has a number of relationships that he or she brings to the table and that can work to your advantage in recruiting.
You're forgetting the most important job of an assistant coach and that is seeing and evaluating HS/ Prep talent and building relationships with the top programs . An experienced assistant already has a number of relationships that he or she brings to the table and that can work to your advantage in recruiting.
03 and 80, thank you. I'm getting an education about the world of soccer.
Your answers lead to another question: Do the ranked schools employ full-time assistants? Are SHU's assistants full-time?
How about a budget for recruiting and for training?
In other words, have they given Echeverry all the tools needed to compete? Does he have what other coaches have?
And does he have a bathroom facility on the field... just kidding.
Your answers lead to another question: Do the ranked schools employ full-time assistants? Are SHU's assistants full-time?
How about a budget for recruiting and for training?
In other words, have they given Echeverry all the tools needed to compete? Does he have what other coaches have?
And does he have a bathroom facility on the field... just kidding.
Both the men's and women's team show two full time assistant coaches on the annual report filed with the Department of Education under the Equity in Athletics Act. As to whether the budget for recruiting, training etc is comparable to our conference peers I have no idea.
Assistants typically get paid nominal amounts by the university and earn their living from the summer camps. How many scholarships does Seton Hall have for mens soccer? The NCAA limit is 9.9 while the Big East minimum is eight. 1.9 scholarships equals four quality players.
Using the data from Dept of Education reports the average annual salary for a full time assistant for a women's team at SH is $54,600 . Because there is no breakdown by sport it's difficult to know what an assistant coach makes sports specific. I think it would be fair to say the highest paid assistants are in basketball , both men's and women's and that would mean that the average assistant salary number is skewed because of that and the women's soccer assistants probably make less then the average.
For men the average salary for a full time assistant is $96,630 and , as with the women, the salaries paid for the men's basketball assistants would skew the average downward in the other men's sports .
For men the average salary for a full time assistant is $96,630 and , as with the women, the salaries paid for the men's basketball assistants would skew the average downward in the other men's sports .
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Where has it been said anywhere that the soccer coach has a 7 year contract? That sounds like some serious misinformation.
Sounds like the same reaction when there were posts saying that Willard had received a contract extension or when the numbers surfaced about how much it would cost to buyout KW. My philosophy with any information posted here about any contract of any head coach at SH is " With SH anything is possible " .
Rider beat Monmouth today in the MAAC final.... Maybe their coach is a candidate as well! Amazing that Seton Hall is also at the bottom of the barrel in New Jersey and not just in the Big East.
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