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As you know, I'm kind of fascinated as to how other countries are dealing with COVID and am fortunate to know a few folks in Sweden, one a Board Chair of a European med device company who is a really bright woman. We were comparing notes yesterday and she said vaccine deployment was abysmal in Sweden....only 9% of the population has been vaccinated and there was still a good chunk of elderly (over 80) that had not been vaccinated. She explained the government bureaucracy and how they had done a poor job of getting allocations from the pharmaceutical companies (one advantage of having U.S. based pharma - so think of that next time you want to bash the industry). The supply chain, distribution system and administration is also a problem there. She pointed to the U.S. private/public coordination (OWS) as a much more successful model that they were lacking.

With regards to spread and fatalities, Sweden's numbers fair very well in comparison to the U.S., U.K. and others but are much higher than the other Scandinavian countries. She was somewhat critical of their Health Ministry in that they dug in their heels telling the public that you could not spread the virus if you were asymptomatic (which we know now is false). She mentioned that Denmark (or Norway) had only about 600 deaths while Sweden was about 14,000 (similar sized countries). Both were more prescriptive in closing things down and wearing masks. The vast majority of deaths in Sweden were at nursing homes and they believe the major culprit was letting asymptomatic people come and go into the long term care facilities (even thought they had instituted testing and PPE in those locations). As you know Sweden never implemented any mask requirements and in her estimation only about 10% of the population have worn them (she wears them in public places as she believes it's good common sense). They also never shut their economy down.

Finally, Sweden's population is very healthy which has contributed to the few fatalities and hospitalizations of the general population. She indicated that the people she knows who have had it, have generally had minor flu symptoms and no one required hospitalization. So you may want to think about pushing that Big Mac away to give you a much better survival rate.
 
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As you know, I'm kind of fascinated as to how other countries are dealing with COVID and am fortunate to know a few folks in Sweden, one a Board Chair of a European med device company who is a really bright woman. We were comparing notes yesterday and she said vaccine deployment was abysmal in Sweden....only 9% of the population has been vaccinated and there was still a good chunk of elderly (over 80) that had not been vaccinated. She explained the government bureaucracy and how they had done a poor job of getting allocations from the pharmaceutical companies (one advantage of having U.S. based pharma - so think of that next time you want to bash the industry). The supply chain, distribution system and administration is also a problem there. She pointed to the U.S. private/public coordination (OWS) as a much more successful model that they were lacking.

With regards to spread and fatalities, Sweden's numbers fair very well in comparison to the U.S., U.K. and others but are much higher than the other Scandinavian countries. She was somewhat critical of their Health Ministry in that they dug in their heels telling the public that you could not spread the virus if you were asymptomatic (which we know now is false). She mentioned that Denmark (or Norway) had only about 600 deaths while Sweden was about 14,000 (similar sized countries). Both were more prescriptive in closing things down and wearing masks. The vast majority of deaths in Sweden were at nursing homes and they believe the major culprit was letting asymptomatic people come and go into the long term care facilities (even thought they had instituted testing and PPE in those locations). As you know Sweden never implemented any mask requirements and in her estimation only about 10% of the population have worn them (she wears them in public places as she believes it's good common sense). They also never shut their economy down.

Finally, Sweden's population is very healthy which has contributed to the few fatalities and hospitalizations of the general population. She indicated that the people she knows who have had it, have generally had minor flu symptoms and no one required hospitalization. So you may want to think about pushing that Big Mac away to give you a much better survival rate.
All well and good but then if there is a health nut fad that makes mcdonalds go broke even though they werent woke, you would be right there on the train that says the american health nuts helped cancel mcdonalds as business capitalism empire in the US, look at jobs loss and executives losing bonuses.
 
Sweden didn't panic like other countries. Good on them.
 
All well and good but then if there is a health nut fad that makes mcdonalds go broke even though they werent woke, you would be right there on the train that says the american health nuts helped cancel mcdonalds as business capitalism empire in the US, look at jobs loss and executives losing bonuses.
Are you day drinking again?
 
They also never shut their economy down.

Would be worth noting the economic impact since this started to Sweden compared to other Scandinavian countries as well there. Changes in GDP an in the unemployment rate were worse in Sweden since this started compared to their neighbors.

Had they ben economically better off, maybe we could look back to Sweden as a success story of managing the economic and health aspects of a pandemic. To date, it seems a hard argument to make considering their neighbors fared better.

On your other comments though, it seems pretty clear to me that the vaccination program in the US is going very well. From the efficacy, to production and distribution. It's just really impressive what has been accomplished. Credit is deserved for everyone involved and when we get to a point when this is over, I am sure Biden will take credit but I also hope he praises OWS and the Trump admin for putting us on the right track. Moving on from this is an opportunity to bring the country back together.
 
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Would be worth noting the economic impact since this started to Sweden compared to other Scandinavian countries as well there. Changes in GDP an in the unemployment rate were worse in Sweden since this started compared to their neighbors.

Had they ben economically better off, maybe we could look back to Sweden as a success story of managing the economic and health aspects of a pandemic. To date, it seems a hard argument to make considering their neighbors fared better.

On your other comments though, it seems pretty clear to me that the vaccination program in the US is going very well. From the efficacy, to production and distribution. It's just really impressive what has been accomplished. Credit is deserved for everyone involved and when we get to a point when this is over, I am sure Biden will take credit but I also hope he praises OWS and the Trump admin for putting us on the right track. Moving on from this is an opportunity to bring the country back together.
It will be interesting to look back and determine what strategies were most effective. You also need to consider the will of the people in each country. Certain societies like ours are going to push back more on elimination of freedoms based on what we are used to. It was interesting to hear her perspective on Sweden, the other Scandinavian countries and EU as well.

What has made OWS and the continued roll-out work so well here is that we have harnessed the power of the private sector working together (and throwing some money at it). But leadership will lead in a crisis. A lesson to be learned in leaving it totally to fumbling bureaucrats.
 
Would be worth noting the economic impact since this started to Sweden compared to other Scandinavian countries as well there. Changes in GDP an in the unemployment rate were worse in Sweden since this started compared to their neighbors.

Had they ben economically better off, maybe we could look back to Sweden as a success story of managing the economic and health aspects of a pandemic. To date, it seems a hard argument to make considering their neighbors fared better.

On your other comments though, it seems pretty clear to me that the vaccination program in the US is going very well. From the efficacy, to production and distribution. It's just really impressive what has been accomplished. Credit is deserved for everyone involved and when we get to a point when this is over, I am sure Biden will take credit but I also hope he praises OWS and the Trump admin for putting us on the right track. Moving on from this is an opportunity to bring the country back together.
Thank you President Trump!
 
I am beef and pork free for better part of 60 days, fish, chicken, grains, veg, fiber...i even make roasted veg patties with tvp and hemp
That should help with your recovery from your double secret surgery.
 
You also need to consider the will of the people in each country

One thing Sweden had going for it is its size and homogeneous culture.

It's about the size of California. It doesn't have the independent melting pot culture of the US. I suspect it was easier for them to adopt a strategy of intelligent voluntary compliance with safe practices.
 
It will be interesting to look back and determine what strategies were most effective. You also need to consider the will of the people in each country. Certain societies like ours are going to push back more on elimination of freedoms based on what we are used to. It was interesting to hear her perspective on Sweden, the other Scandinavian countries and EU as well.

What has made OWS and the continued roll-out work so well here is that we have harnessed the power of the private sector working together (and throwing some money at it). But leadership will lead in a crisis. A lesson to be learned in leaving it totally to fumbling bureaucrats.
scandanavian countries practice social distancing to begin with. honestly hate human interaction especially finland. finland however decided to up restrictions recently which is odd sinceife there seemed more normal than it was in the US for a bit
 
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