Differing Views on Greatest Threats

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o anything that has as an ingredient like fructose will be hit with a "fat tax"? So every bag of chips, cookies, desert and fast food will be taxed with what? 30% a $1?

Yes. That's exactly what we should do. Doesn't need to be that high, but there should be be a penalty.

Those who eat a reasonable amount will be taxed very little. Those who eat an unreasonable amount will be taxed more. Use that money to subsidize healthier foods so people can make better choice.

 

[Pirata]

Your friend mentions his upcoming trip to Italy and you, of course, have to tell your story about the porcelain china. There is no story anywhere in Piratecrew that you cannot top.

I think it's called having a discussion.

Venice will be at the end of our trip after Bologna. A 2-hour high speed train ride. Perhaps 85 was familiar with the relative location of the two cities.

We are staying in an old Palazzo a few alleys up from St. Marks. Maybe I'll ask the front desk for some take out coffee and see what happens.

 

[HALL85]

I think it's called having a discussion.

Venice will be at the end of our trip after Bologna. A 2-hour high speed train ride. Perhaps 85 was familiar with the relative location of the two cities.

We are staying in an old Palazzo a few alleys up from St. Marks. Maybe I'll ask the front desk for some take out coffee and see what happens.

The food trail sounds pretty awesome. Are you dropping down to Florence at all?

 

[shu09]

not just mcdonalds. high fructose corn syrup, corn, wheat, etc. any processed food. processed food is the enemy. same with preservatives. eat a diet free of proccessed or preserved (sans frozen) food and report back. i unintentionally lost like 30 lbs (and i was already healthy). insane how much those two things have spiked our avg weight.

Yes. What have you cut out that you ate previously? Add anything new?

 

[ed odowd]

Declining birth rate could turn out to be biggest threat.

 

[SHUSA]

Yes. What have you cut out that you ate previously? Add anything new?

so ive reintroduced stuff since the pandemic (sue me im human).

potato chips, bread, PROCESSED MEAT, anything with added, natural sugar, and vinegar for med reasons (its used in a lot of unhealthy things like sauces). shelf stable is bad if it isnt canned or frozen.

some things i continue with: ezekial bread (gotta freeze it if keeping for a while), "just turkey" from a deli counter (itll be dry), i make my own hummus from chikpeas, super easy, only cook with olive oil, natural honey/maple syrup for suger, more smoothies then ever especially with spinach, buy a metric f ton of bananas and freeze a lot of them for smoothie. or eat with peanut butter from TJs. last thing i do is make cashew "mayo" which is a mayo or paste subsititute thats great for any kind of custom sauce, samdwhich, condiment. vitamix does wonders.

not going to lie, its hard to do it completely. but changing some habits is doable. gotta live a little. eventually you actually feel sick when you eat a lot of bad food and juat crave a salmon and broccoli dinner.

in addition i also stopped eating late at night for the most part. have a cup of tea if im craving a late night snack. another method i have is making bulk dinners so i have tons of leftovers. usually ill do something like ground turkey, zuchinni, sweet potatos and have a ton of that whenever im hungry. you learn what works dor you. i am starting to get a bit bored so well see how i switch it up.

 

[shu09]

so ive reintroduced stuff since the pandemic (sue me im human).

potato chips, bread, PROCESSED MEAT, anything with added, natural sugar, and vinegar for med reasons (its used in a lot of unhealthy things like sauces). shelf stable is bad if it isnt canned or frozen.

some things i continue with: ezekial bread (gotta freeze it if keeping for a while), "just turkey" from a deli counter (itll be dry), i make my own hummus from chikpeas, super easy, only cook with olive oil, natural honey/maple syrup for suger, more smoothies then ever especially with spinach, buy a metric f ton of bananas and freeze a lot of them for smoothie. or eat with peanut butter from TJs. last thing i do is make cashew "mayo" which is a mayo or paste subsititute thats great for any kind of custom sauce, samdwhich, condiment. vitamix does wonders.

not going to lie, its hard to do it completely. but changing some habits is doable. gotta live a little. eventually you actually feel sick when you eat a lot of bad food and juat crave a salmon and broccoli dinner.

in addition i also stopped eating late at night for the most part. have a cup of tea if im craving a late night snack. another method i have is making bulk dinners so i have tons of leftovers. usually ill do something like ground turkey, zuchinni, sweet potatos and have a ton of that whenever im hungry. you learn what works dor you. i am starting to get a bit bored so well see how i switch it up.

This is great, need to do more of this myself. As someone who likes his sweets, I like the honey/maple syrup idea as an offset. Tough to give up all breads/chips, etc. (I enjoy a bagel every now and then, and pizza roughly once a week). Maybe will have to change that to every other week and ease into it. The late night snacking thing is big - I usually default to an apple and dark chocolate along with a glass of tea. Should probably cut out the chocolate.

Not a big meat eater myself, but love fruits and some vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower, sweet potatoes, spaghetti squash, etc.). I think the big takeaway here is planning so that you don't eat something not so good on a whim.

 

[cernjSHU]

Yes. That's exactly what we should do. Doesn't need to be that high, but there should be be a penalty.

Those who eat a reasonable amount will be taxed very little. Those who eat an unreasonable amount will be taxed more. Use that money to subsidize healthier foods so people can make better choice.

I don't buy this. First, too many variables. So what is included? Cured meats, what about fruits that are high in sugar, honey? Or is it added sugar like Juices, yogurt, ketchup, hot sauce. What you will do is just raise the cost of food in general and this won't accomplish a thing. Again, I am all in on educating kids to live and eat healthier.

But this is a Pandora's box of regulation that won't accomplish a thing. People are going to buy that bag of Doritos. If it's $5 now, they will pay $6 without blinking.

 

[shu09]

The idea of a "junk food tax" makes sense in theory, but I don't think it would work in reality, as Cernj described above.

 

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This is great, need to do more of this myself. As someone who likes his sweets, I like the honey/maple syrup idea as an offset. Tough to give up all breads/chips, etc. (I enjoy a bagel every now and then, and pizza roughly once a week). Maybe will have to change that to every other week and ease into it. The late night snacking thing is big - I usually default to an apple and dark chocolate along with a glass of tea. Should probably cut out the chocolate.

Not a big meat eater myself, but love fruits and some vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower, sweet potatoes, spaghetti squash, etc.). I think the big takeaway here is planning so that you don't eat something not so good on a whim.

Have you tried intermittent fasting?

I bounce in an out of doing that but generally feel noticeably better overall when I am.
Sitting at a desk all day I feel like breakfast really isn't needed unless you are working out in the morning.
It's also a mental exercise which limits snacking at night.

I stopped around thanksgiving with so many events between then and January.
Picked it up again a couple weeks ago. Fist few days are difficult but after that I start to feel much better.

 

[shu09]

Never tried it, but have read a bit about it. What are the intervals you use?

 

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I don't buy this. First, too many variables. So what is included? Cured meats, what about fruits that are high in sugar, honey? Or is it added sugar like Juices, yogurt, ketchup, hot sauce. What you will do is just raise the cost of food in general and this won't accomplish a thing. Again, I am all in on educating kids to live and eat healthier.

But this is a Pandora's box of regulation that won't accomplish a thing. People are going to buy that bag of Doritos. If it's $5 now, they will pay $6 without blinking.

I think of it in a similar way to a gas tax.

Gas taxes are used to pay for the services that you use. If you drive a little, you pay a little but if you drive a lot you pay more. Makes sense for the impact to roads and related maintenance.

For food, why should someone get to eat and drink like crap their entire life and those who don't have to pay higher insurance rates because they don't take care of themselves? There is a bit of a disconnect there for me.
If should be part of an education to campaign to change habits, if it doesn't that's fine. They should still have the freedom to make bad choices, they should just see a penalty along with those bad choices.

 

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Never tried it, but have read a bit about it. What are the intervals you use?

I aim for 18 - 6. Lunch around 2 and dinner between 7-8.
I'm not hardcore about it. On Thursdays we get lunch provided at the office so I eat the group.
I skip the free bagels in the morning though. lol. I'll also break it if going out with friends at night.

I thought the idea sounded dumb at first, but I do feel a lot better with it. There was also improvement in my blood work as well.

 

[HALL85]

I think of it in a similar way to a gas tax.

Gas taxes are used to pay for the services that you use. If you drive a little, you pay a little but if you drive a lot you pay more. Makes sense for the impact to roads and related maintenance.

Agree. It’s done with gas and other products. No reason it can’t be applied to food and beverages.

For food, why should someone get to eat and drink like crap their entire life and those who don't have to pay higher insurance rates because they don't take care of themselves? There is a bit of a disconnect there for me.
If should be part of an education to campaign to change habits, if it doesn't that's fine. They should still have the freedom to make bad choices, they should just see a penalty along with those bad choices.

Agree as well. Obesity is one of the major reasons our healthcare costs are so high…approaching 20% of GDP. Major commodity contributing to COVID hospitalizations and deaths.

And we really need to amp up the education instead of making excuses.

 

[shu09]

18-6 sounds difficult. I could probably manage 15-9 or 16-8.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Poor diet = increased medical visits/procedures + increased pharmaceutical needs. Food companies, doctors/hopsitals, drug companies, and the government all make money.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

I think of it in a similar way to a gas tax.

Gas taxes are used to pay for the services that you use. If you drive a little, you pay a little but if you drive a lot you pay more. Makes sense for the impact to roads and related maintenance.

For food, why should someone get to eat and drink like crap their entire life and those who don't have to pay higher insurance rates because they don't take care of themselves? There is a bit of a disconnect there for me.
If should be part of an education to campaign to change habits, if it doesn't that's fine. They should still have the freedom to make bad choices, they should just see a penalty along with those bad choices.

Problem is the fat tax money is going to the government. Will the government use the money to lower insurance costs? My guess is people will have to pay the tax as well as continue to pay high insurance bills. If the tax money was going to be used to lower the costs of all Americans health insurance I would see it as a good tax.

The other problem is what qualifies for the fat tax and how will companies work around that? Just like the USDA'a definition of a free range chicken is a chicken that has access to outdoors. It doesn't mean that chicken ever went into the sunlight, just it had access to it. So companies have a barn filled with thousands of chickens and a hole in the barn where maybe about 20 chickens can get outside.

This is just 1 example how the food industries advertising rules are deceiving to most consumers.

"Free Range" and "Pasture Raised" officially defined by HFAC for Certified Humane® label

HERNDON, Va., Jan. 16, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Humane Farm Animal Care (HFAC) announces new standards for products that are labeled Certified Humane® and either "Free Range" or "Pasture Raised." There is currently no legal definition for "Free Range" or "Pasture Raised" in the United States...

certifiedhumane.org

 

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Problem is the fat tax money is going to the government. Will the government use the money to lower insurance costs? My guess is people will have to pay the tax as well as continue to pay high insurance bills. If the tax money was going to be used to lower the costs of all Americans health insurance I would see it as a good tax.

Yeah that's fair. Not saying it would be easy or even realistic, just something I would personally like to see.

 

[HALL85]

Poor diet = increased medical visits/procedures + increased pharmaceutical needs. Food companies, doctors/hopsitals, drug companies, and the government all make money.

Case in point with the new ad for Paxlovid. They call out all of the comorbidities that make you a poor candidate to survive COVID...and the solution is.....a drug. Obviously, it's Pfizer, but where is our government and leadership to address the real problem? No, let's just take more drugs....

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/p...ith-celebrities-pink-michael-phelps-questlove

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Case in point with the new ad for Paxlovid. They call out all of the comorbidities that make you a poor candidate to survive COVID...and the solution is.....a drug. Obviously, it's Pfizer, but where is our government and leadership to address the real problem? No, let's just take more drugs....

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/p...ith-celebrities-pink-michael-phelps-questlove

The solution is whatever the lobbyists say the answer is. In this era it's a drug.

We all know diet can make a person sick. We all know food has an impact on how the body works. Anyone ever wonder why medical school requirements for nutrition is absolute minimal? Seems kind of odd.

 

[SHallguy2]

Have you tried intermittent fasting?

I bounce in an out of doing that but generally feel noticeably better overall when I am.
Sitting at a desk all day I feel like breakfast really isn't needed unless you are working out in the morning.
It's also a mental exercise which limits snacking at night.

I stopped around thanksgiving with so many events between then and January.
Picked it up again a couple weeks ago. Fist few days are difficult but after that I start to feel much better.

I do the fasting as well 7PM to 11 AM, always take one day off a week. I also bounce in and out of it but notice I have more energy when I’m fasting.