Divisive, sensationalized reporting

[sami]

Fight Over Florida School Masks Grows as Student Cases Surge — Bloomberg

Masks are the simplest, safest way to slow the spread among schoolchildren, said Lisa Gwynn, president of the Florida Chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

apple.news

Cases “surging” in Florida schools.

Let’s break that down. 10,000 students on “stay at home” orders out of 380,000. That’s 2.6%. But what does that mean? 10,000 stay at home means there was a positive test, so if a student, or a teacher, or a student’s parent reports that the parent has Covid and potentially exposed a child and class, the class quarantines. So one case could conservatively impact 26 students having to stay at home? So if that was all student infections, maybe 0.1% of the 380,000 students have Covid?

And how many of those have cause hospitalization? Let’s be aggressive, let’s say 25%. So maybe 0.025% of students who are in Florida schools are hospitalized? And the death rate in hospitalizations is 2.5%. So let’s extrapolate again, 0.000625% deaths? Across 380,000 students, that would be 2 deaths. I would question the total deaths across that 380,000 student population from all causes and guess that 2 would be pretty far down the ranking of causes.

And that’s assuming that they only quarantined 26 for 1 case, not a whole class, a bus, a second class using a classroom. That’s assuming an extremely high hospitalization rate of 1-in-4. That’s assuming the 2.5% death rate on hospitalizations is the same for school age children.

Enough sensationalism. This is a pandemic of the media.

 

[sami]

And at the same time, I also say mask mandates are not a big deal until vaccines are fully approved in school age children. Again, people with the protection of rights bullshit. Get over it, it’s our children, if masking over the next few months can prevent 1 death, it’s good.

But if children bring it home to an adult, grandparent or whatever, which was the argument last year, that adult had the opportunity to vaccinate and significantly reduce the probably of severe infection. That’s on them, and their problem, not mine.

The media will keep this going much longer than it is an issue in this country.

 

[HALL85]

Shoddy and biased reporting. All about rating$.

 

[sami]

Shoddy and biased reporting. All about rating$.

Exactly. It’s not scary, but it just wants you to get angry about Florida, masks and vaccinations.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Defund the media.

 

[shufan1993]

Fight Over Florida School Masks Grows as Student Cases Surge — Bloomberg

Masks are the simplest, safest way to slow the spread among schoolchildren, said Lisa Gwynn, president of the Florida Chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

apple.news

Cases “surging” in Florida schools.

Let’s break that down. 10,000 students on “stay at home” orders out of 380,000. That’s 2.6%. But what does that mean? 10,000 stay at home means there was a positive test, so if a student, or a teacher, or a student’s parent reports that the parent has Covid and potentially exposed a child and class, the class quarantines. So one case could conservatively impact 26 students having to stay at home? So if that was all student infections, maybe 0.1% of the 380,000 students have Covid?

And how many of those have cause hospitalization? Let’s be aggressive, let’s say 25%. So maybe 0.025% of students who are in Florida schools are hospitalized? And the death rate in hospitalizations is 2.5%. So let’s extrapolate again, 0.000625% deaths? Across 380,000 students, that would be 2 deaths. I would question the total deaths across that 380,000 student population from all causes and guess that 2 would be pretty far down the ranking of causes.

And that’s assuming that they only quarantined 26 for 1 case, not a whole class, a bus, a second class using a classroom. That’s assuming an extremely high hospitalization rate of 1-in-4. That’s assuming the 2.5% death rate on hospitalizations is the same for school age children.

Enough sensationalism. This is a pandemic of the media.

Yes. There is also a lot of attention on Florida because the liberal media is trying to go after Ron Desantis who might be running for president in 2024

 

[HallBall02]

Fight Over Florida School Masks Grows as Student Cases Surge — Bloomberg

Masks are the simplest, safest way to slow the spread among schoolchildren, said Lisa Gwynn, president of the Florida Chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

apple.news

Cases “surging” in Florida schools.

Let’s break that down. 10,000 students on “stay at home” orders out of 380,000. That’s 2.6%. But what does that mean? 10,000 stay at home means there was a positive test, so if a student, or a teacher, or a student’s parent reports that the parent has Covid and potentially exposed a child and class, the class quarantines. So one case could conservatively impact 26 students having to stay at home? So if that was all student infections, maybe 0.1% of the 380,000 students have Covid?

And how many of those have cause hospitalization? Let’s be aggressive, let’s say 25%. So maybe 0.025% of students who are in Florida schools are hospitalized? And the death rate in hospitalizations is 2.5%. So let’s extrapolate again, 0.000625% deaths? Across 380,000 students, that would be 2 deaths. I would question the total deaths across that 380,000 student population from all causes and guess that 2 would be pretty far down the ranking of causes.

And that’s assuming that they only quarantined 26 for 1 case, not a whole class, a bus, a second class using a classroom. That’s assuming an extremely high hospitalization rate of 1-in-4. That’s assuming the 2.5% death rate on hospitalizations is the same for school age children.

Enough sensationalism. This is a pandemic of the media.

Fuzzy math there 🙄. You project that for everyone that gets Delta, only 1 per class? It’s documented that on average it spreads to at least 7 people other ppl. Therefore using one in 26 doesn’t make sense.

Like it or not. The rise in pediatric cases is alarming, trends for pediatric hospitalization is growing each day, if you had a your kid there (and not a selfish SOB) you would care about the safety of your kid and family.

Your analysis does not address that over 93% of ICU beds filled with 53% having covid. It doesn’t address that standard of care will be much lower as these hospitals get overwhelmed, so if your kids was one of the “few” they would get suboptimal treatment. It doesn’t address rise in trends of total pediatric cases that increases each day. It doesn’t account for Florida going from daily to weekly reporting or trying to change reason for hospitalization anything but covid. It doesn’t account for visits to hospitals if they didn’t admit them, urgent care or doctors offices. It doesnt address collaterall damage of love ones getting sick or lost of work for parents and businesses due to school quarantines. It doesnt account for long covid and the potential long term affects that millions of kids may have years down the road. It doesn’t account for the lost time in school or effects of interruptions to schooling.

For some reason it hasn’t sunk it that others wearing masks protect me more than me wearing a masks and that the synergistic approach of everyone wearing makes it so effective.

Glad some schools districts are doing the right thing in the face of their governors threatening them.

Just wear the damn mask, it’s not a big deal.

 

[HallBall02]

 

[HallBall02]

 

[HallBall02]

 

[sami]

Fuzzy math there 🙄. You project that for everyone that gets Delta, only 1 per class? It’s documented that on average it spreads to at least 7 people other ppl. Therefore using one in 26 doesn’t make sense.

Like it or not. The rise in pediatric cases is alarming, trends for pediatric hospitalization is growing each day, if you had a your kid there (and not a selfish SOB) you would care about the safety of your kid and family.

Your analysis does not address that over 93% of ICU beds filled with 53% having covid. It doesn’t address that standard of care will be much lower as these hospitals get overwhelmed, so if your kids was one of the “few” they would get suboptimal treatment. It doesn’t address rise in trends of total pediatric cases that increases each day. It doesn’t account for Florida going from daily to weekly reporting or trying to change reason for hospitalization anything but covid. It doesn’t account for visits to hospitals if they didn’t admit them, urgent care or doctors offices. It doesnt address collaterall damage of love ones getting sick or lost of work for parents and businesses due to school quarantines. It doesnt account for long covid and the potential long term affects that millions of kids may have years down the road. It doesn’t account for the lost time in school or effects of interruptions to schooling.

For some reason it hasn’t sunk it that others wearing masks protect me more than me wearing a masks and that the synergistic approach of everyone wearing makes it so effective.

Glad some schools districts are doing the right thing in the face of their governors threatening them.

Just wear the damn mask, it’s not a big deal.

Fuzzy math? One, I clearly said that I think school children should mask until the vaccine is approved and a choice can be made. And 2, it was a swag pointing out that 10,000 stay at home children is a bullshit, sensationalized number. My children were home for 2 weeks every time the parent of a child in their classroom tested positive because of “close contact”.

then you go off on a bunch of numbers that have nothing to do what I was talking about, talk about fuzzy math and more bullshit.

tell me then, 10,000 stay at home orders (again, 2.6% and there’s nothing fuzzy about 10,000/380,000), how many deaths? I haven’t seen a report that a single death lead to those 10,000 stay at homes, but go on with your diatribe.

 

[HallBall02]

In Florida it is an all time high for cases, hospitalizations, pediatric cases, and pediatric hospitalizations due to covid through the entire pandemic! Yes it’s sensationalized by media bc Florida is doing really bad and it seems that the governor is making it worse in many ways. It’s certainly a story.

As far as divisive, it shouldn’t be, most parents and doctors, “ experts” think that schools should be allowed to mandate masks especially when rates high, only brainwashed vocal minority, a few quack doctors and a governor with poor leadership and presidential aspirations are against it.

 

[HALL85]

In Florida it is an all time high for cases, hospitalizations, pediatric cases, and pediatric hospitalizations due to covid through the entire pandemic! Yes it’s sensationalized by media bc Florida is doing really bad and it seems that the governor is making it worse in many ways. It’s certainly a story.

As far as divisive, it shouldn’t be, most parents and doctors, “ experts” think that schools should be allowed to mandate masks especially when rates high, only brainwashed vocal minority, a few quack doctors and a governor with poor leadership and presidential aspirations are against it.

"all time high"...that's not a number. Is it material? What are the severity of cases and comorbidities. How about we use real data to discuss what we should do?

 

[Merge]

I wouldn't say anger is the right word... It's just depressing as what is happening in Florida right now was preventable

It got worse again today.
17,096 Currently hospitalized. 2,638 admitted yesterday. Both of those are new highs for the state.
3,642 - 58% of their ICU capacity is occupied by Covid patients. A new high for the state.

Regarding kids - These are the numbers I am watching to see how the return to school impacts the risk to kids.
57 new confirmed pediatric admissions. High for the state is 70 which was right when kids returned.
190 kids currently hospitalized with Covid. That is what I am watching to understand the impact to kids. If Covid is more dangerous and kids spread it to other kids more than previous variants - it should show up in those numbers in the next couple weeks.

 

[HallBall02]

My son is currently is at home as well bc someone has COVID in class. 3rd time in 4 months. Thankfully I have an employer that is understanding when work is missed. Most don’t have that.

There is so much collateral damage you are not putting into your equation and why the sensational part of your argument doesn’t hold water.

 

[HallBall02]

Fuzzy math? One, I clearly said that I think school children should mask until the vaccine is approved and a choice can be made. And 2, it was a swag pointing out that 10,000 stay at home children is a bullshit, sensationalized number. My children were home for 2 weeks every time the parent of a child in their classroom tested positive because of “close contact”.

then you go off on a bunch of numbers that have nothing to do what I was talking about, talk about fuzzy math and more bullshit.

tell me then, 10,000 stay at home orders (again, 2.6% and there’s nothing fuzzy about 10,000/380,000), how many deaths? I haven’t seen a report that a single death lead to those 10,000 stay at homes, but go on with your diatribe.

Why do you need pediatric deaths to rise to make this a valid problem? If kids are getting it more shouldn’t that be enough?

I don’t understand some people’s logic on here they are scared of a vaccine, but fine about pushing EUA monoclonal antibody treatment to asymptotic patients , worried about long term issues with vaccine but not with covid.

Saw how covid killed millions of people around the world but ok letting kids get it with uncertain long term prognosis as long as high % doesn’t die?

Against virtual school but ok with constancy school disruptions with covid?

Against businesses being shut down but ok with productivity lost with parent having to stay home.

Understands that Delta is 2x more transmissible but thinks kids won’t spread it?

🙄

 

[HallBall02]

 

[HallBall02]

I’ll drop this here for those that think long covid doesn’t exist. Like some here believe man made global warming doesn’t exist.

 

[HALL85]

Why do you need pediatric deaths to rise to make this a valid problem? If kids are getting it more shouldn’t that be enough?

I don’t understand some people’s logic on here they are scared of a vaccine, but fine about pushing EUA monoclonal antibody treatment to asymptotic patients , worried about long term issues with vaccine but not with covid.

Saw how covid killed millions of people around the world but ok letting kids get it with uncertain long term prognosis as long as high % doesn’t die?

Against virtual school but ok with constancy school disruptions with covid?

Against businesses being shut down but ok with productivity lost with parent having to stay home.

Understands that Delta is 2x more transmissible but thinks kids won’t spread it?

🙄

If kids get the virus but don't have any serious symptoms, are released very quickly when they are hospitalized it is a big difference. Sure, we don't know the long term effects of COVID...we won't know that for many years, but you have to assume a good part of the population is going to get the virus whether you are vaccinated, masked, etc. Getting vaccinated doesn't prevent you from getting the virus; wearing a mask doesn't completely protect you from getting the virus. And the virus is going to be with us for years to come...we are not beating this.

Like any disease, there's a lot that goes into putting yourself in the best position to limit exposure, etc. Vaccines are just one

I’ll drop this here for those that think long covid doesn’t exist. Like some here believe man made global warming doesn’t exist.

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[HallBall02]

 

[HALL85]

Why do you need pediatric deaths to rise to make this a valid problem? If kids are getting it more shouldn’t that be enough?

I don’t understand some people’s logic on here they are scared of a vaccine, but fine about pushing EUA monoclonal antibody treatment to asymptotic patients , worried about long term issues with vaccine but not with covid.

Saw how covid killed millions of people around the world but ok letting kids get it with uncertain long term prognosis as long as high % doesn’t die?

Against virtual school but ok with constancy school disruptions with covid?

Against businesses being shut down but ok with productivity lost with parent having to stay home.

Understands that Delta is 2x more transmissible but thinks kids won’t spread it?

🙄

If kids get the virus but don't have any serious symptoms, are released very quickly when they are hospitalized it is a big difference. Sure, we don't know the long term effects of COVID...we won't know that for many years, but you have to assume a good part of the population is going to get the virus whether you are vaccinated, masked, etc. Getting vaccinated doesn't prevent you from getting the virus; wearing a mask doesn't completely protect you from getting the virus. And the virus is going to be with us for years to come...we are not beating this.

Like any disease, there's a lot that goes into putting yourself in the best position to limit exposure, etc. Vaccines are just one just one strategy.

 

[sami]

I wouldn't say anger is the right word... It's just depressing as what is happening in Florida right now was preventable

It got worse again today.
17,096 Currently hospitalized. 2,638 admitted yesterday. Both of those are new highs for the state.
3,642 - 58% of their ICU capacity is occupied by Covid patients. A new high for the state.

Regarding kids - These are the numbers I am watching to see how the return to school impacts the risk to kids.
57 new confirmed pediatric admissions. High for the state is 70 which was right when kids returned.
190 kids currently hospitalized with Covid. That is what I am watching to understand the impact to kids. If Covid is more dangerous and kids spread it to other kids more than previous variants - it should show up in those numbers in the next couple weeks.

Exactly. I am concerned, I have 2 six year olds, but I want to see number. It’s ridiculous that 10,000 kids are “stay-home” when that’s based on the possibility of contact. At some point we have to live with Covid and people decisions to vaccinate or not. High schoolers have a choice, by themselves through their parents. No mask mandates necessary.

Younger children should mask up until the vaccine is approved. Then a choice can be made.

 

[sami]

Why do you need pediatric deaths to rise to make this a valid problem? If kids are getting it more shouldn’t that be enough?

I don’t understand some people’s logic on here they are scared of a vaccine, but fine about pushing EUA monoclonal antibody treatment to asymptotic patients , worried about long term issues with vaccine but not with covid.

Saw how covid killed millions of people around the world but ok letting kids get it with uncertain long term prognosis as long as high % doesn’t die?

Against virtual school but ok with constancy school disruptions with covid?

Against businesses being shut down but ok with productivity lost with parent having to stay home.

Understands that Delta is 2x more transmissible but thinks kids won’t spread it?

🙄

Why do I need to see pediatric deaths to rise before I’m frightened? Because my kids get colds too. People will get Covid. And how many ****ing times do I have to say the same thing, that I think it’s prudent for <12 to wear masks until there is an approved virus?

It’s like you read every 3rd word and then pound the keyboard, but you have a history of that anyway.

 

[sami]

And your soapbox statement “for those who don’t think Covid exists” is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this thread. Name one person who said that on this thread. But by all means, pat yourself in the back. Maybe you can get together with 1993.

 

[HALL85]

sami on fire today....

 

[sami]

sami on fire today....

Stop or I’ll post the picture of you in LinkedIn…

good post though, congrats on that.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

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What this is meant to say is staunch GOP states that were against vaccines are now impacted by those not vaxxed

 

[HALL85]

Stop or I’ll post the picture of you in LinkedIn…

good post though, congrats on that.

Lol…almost got cut by that scissor

 

[HallBall02]

And your soapbox statement “for those who don’t think Covid exists” is the most idiotic thing I’ve seen on this thread. Name one person who said that on this thread. But by all means, pat yourself in the back. Maybe you can get together with 1993.

You missed an important word before your tantrum. LONG covid, not do I not think people know covid exists, LONG covid champ.

If you don’t know what it is look it up…It is never mentioned here as a negative consequence with covid and kids.

The genius strategy to let everyone get it or the assumption that everyone will get it no matter what we do it not based in
reality and not wise.

We can prevent people from getting it if we actually cared about others and did what we know works, like masks 😜

 

[HallBall02]

If kids get the virus but don't have any serious symptoms, are released very quickly when they are hospitalized it is a big difference. Sure, we don't know the long term effects of COVID...we won't know that for many years, but you have to assume a good part of the population is going to get the virus whether you are vaccinated, masked, etc. Getting vaccinated doesn't prevent you from getting the virus; wearing a mask doesn't completely protect you from getting the virus. And the virus is going to be with us for years to come...we are not beating this.

Like any disease, there's a lot that goes into putting yourself in the best position to limit exposure, etc. Vaccines are just one

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Delete cookies and can read…just like Carino articles.

 

[Hallsome]

Fight Over Florida School Masks Grows as Student Cases Surge — Bloomberg

Masks are the simplest, safest way to slow the spread among schoolchildren, said Lisa Gwynn, president of the Florida Chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

apple.news

Cases “surging” in Florida schools.

Let’s break that down. 10,000 students on “stay at home” orders out of 380,000. That’s 2.6%. But what does that mean? 10,000 stay at home means there was a positive test, so if a student, or a teacher, or a student’s parent reports that the parent has Covid and potentially exposed a child and class, the class quarantines. So one case could conservatively impact 26 students having to stay at home? So if that was all student infections, maybe 0.1% of the 380,000 students have Covid?

And how many of those have cause hospitalization? Let’s be aggressive, let’s say 25%. So maybe 0.025% of students who are in Florida schools are hospitalized? And the death rate in hospitalizations is 2.5%. So let’s extrapolate again, 0.000625% deaths? Across 380,000 students, that would be 2 deaths. I would question the total deaths across that 380,000 student population from all causes and guess that 2 would be pretty far down the ranking of causes.

And that’s assuming that they only quarantined 26 for 1 case, not a whole class, a bus, a second class using a classroom. That’s assuming an extremely high hospitalization rate of 1-in-4. That’s assuming the 2.5% death rate on hospitalizations is the same for school age children.

Enough sensationalism. This is a pandemic of the media.

Good analysis

 

[Hallsome]

Fuzzy math there 🙄. You project that for everyone that gets Delta, only 1 per class? It’s documented that on average it spreads to at least 7 people other ppl. Therefore using one in 26 doesn’t make sense.

Like it or not. The rise in pediatric cases is alarming, trends for pediatric hospitalization is growing each day, if you had a your kid there (and not a selfish SOB) you would care about the safety of your kid and family.

Your analysis does not address that over 93% of ICU beds filled with 53% having covid. It doesn’t address that standard of care will be much lower as these hospitals get overwhelmed, so if your kids was one of the “few” they would get suboptimal treatment. It doesn’t address rise in trends of total pediatric cases that increases each day. It doesn’t account for Florida going from daily to weekly reporting or trying to change reason for hospitalization anything but covid. It doesn’t account for visits to hospitals if they didn’t admit them, urgent care or doctors offices. It doesnt address collaterall damage of love ones getting sick or lost of work for parents and businesses due to school quarantines. It doesnt account for long covid and the potential long term affects that millions of kids may have years down the road. It doesn’t account for the lost time in school or effects of interruptions to schooling.

For some reason it hasn’t sunk it that others wearing masks protect me more than me wearing a masks and that the synergistic approach of everyone wearing makes it so effective.

Glad some schools districts are doing the right thing in the face of their governors threatening them.

Just wear the damn mask, it’s not a big deal.

California only state to mandate teachers getting vaccinated (to answer the question I’ve posed to you)

 

[HallBall02]

California only state to mandate teachers getting vaccinated (to answer the question I’ve posed to you)

Great?

Many school districts are doing it themselves without state (minus Florida and texas that won’t allow it of course), yesterday my school district announced there were mandating vaccines to teachers as well.

I didn’t think there would be that many teacher vaccine mandates this school year but I thought there should be.

My original point is all healthcare workers should be mandated to be vaccinated, and I think it will happen largely will by end of year.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

17,000+ WOW. DeSantis is winning BIGLY!

 

[SPK145]

Fear of COVID-19 in Kids Is Getting Ahead of the Data

Shielding children from danger is a fundamental instinct. Tolerating risk for them is hard—but necessary—emotional work.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[HallBall02]

Stop or I’ll post the picture of you in LinkedIn…

good post though, congrats on that.

Found it

 

[HALL85]

Found it

Close, but I give you points for trying.

 

[SHUMA04]

Found it

Vlad the Impaler. One of history's first victims of the smear campaign and cancel culture.

He was taken captive by the Ottomans as a child and taught their ruthless methods of warfare and torture. It was standard practice of the Ottomans to capture young boys and girls from conquered European territories and bring them back as slaves. The boys were cut off from their families, nations and religion, raised as unattached bachelor Islamic warriors, and then sent back to their own homelands to terrorize their own native communities. (The Ottomans were also notorious pederasts and the European boys were frequently utilized for that purpose as well.)

Anyway, the punchline is that "Vlad the Impaler" rebelled against the Ottomans and reverted to loyalty to his native communities. He used the Ottomans own barbarous methods of warfare (notably impaling heads of captured soldiers) on the Ottomans themselves.

He was actually one of the early heroes defending Christian Europe from the ruthless Ottoman invasions of the 15th through 17th centuries. Not surprisingly in the 19th century, as Europe rebelled against its own heritage, the Anglo-Irish writer Bram Stoker resuscitated his legacy with a decidedly inaccurate and perverse twist on historical fact.

A stark lesson for Americans today about the danger of playing too many games with historical reinterpretation and cancel culture.

 

[SHUSA]

Vlad the Impaler. One of history's first victims of the smear campaign and cancel culture.

He was taken captive by the Ottomans as a child and taught their ruthless methods of warfare and torture. It was standard practice of the Ottomans to capture young boys and girls from conquered European territories and bring them back as slaves. The boys were cut off from their families, nations and religion, raised as unattached bachelor Islamic warriors, and then sent back to their own homelands to terrorize their own native communities. (The Ottomans were also notorious pederasts and the European boys were frequently utilized for that purpose as well.)

Anyway, the punchline is that "Vlad the Impaler" rebelled against the Ottomans and reverted to loyalty to his native communities. He used the Ottomans own barbarous methods of warfare (notably impaling heads of captured soldiers) on the Ottomans themselves.

He was actually one of the early heroes defending Christian Europe from the ruthless Ottoman invasions of the 15th through 17th centuries. Not surprisingly in the 19th century, as Europe rebelled against its own heritage, the Anglo-Irish writer Bram Stoker resuscitated his legacy with a decidedly inaccurate and perverse twist on historical fact.

A stark lesson for Americans today about the danger of playing too many games with historical reinterpretation and cancel culture.

source? never knew that. although my take is pretty much everyone back then was a bad person lol. it was a dog eat dog world

 

[SHUMA04]

source? never knew that. although my take is pretty much everyone back then was a bad person lol. it was a dog eat dog world

Visited his home town and historical sites associated with him. He is a much beloved local hero there.

Here is a biopic drama on his life with the local take on him (real name was Vlad Tepes):