Do you suspend Brady????

[Halldan1]

And if so for how long?

NFL must sack cheater Tom Brady with two-game ban
By Steve Serby

May 6, 2015 | 9:04pm

Photo: EPA

Steve Serby

The Pretty Boy doesn’t look so pretty anymore, and now he will be forced to wear a pair of Scarlet Letters when the 2015 NFL season begins: C for Cheater, L for Liar.

After three months of breathlessly waiting, we are left with a 243-page Wells Report that should leave Roger Goodell (and Troy Vincent) no recourse other than to suspend Tom Brady for a minimum of two games when the 2015 NFL season begins.

Brady, four-time Super Bowl champion and — until this — the Greatest Quarterback Of All Time, takes the biggest hit, because he has always seemed so earnest, a refreshing counterpoint to the diabolical Hoodie, living the American dream, the beautiful Gisele on his arm, someone we wanted so badly to believe, someone we trusted.

And now? How are we to believe anything other than Tom Terrific is a wolf in sheep’s clothing? A co-conspirator with a pair of organization lackeys to gain a competitive advantage to ensure he would have a chance to win his first Super Bowl in 10 years?

Wells: “It is more than probable” Brady “was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities” involving the release of air from the Patriots’ footballs.

Translation: He knew.

If this is a veiled attempt to honor the image of Teflon Tom, legalese with a convenient out, Goodell should not buy it.

Goodell, after a nightmare year of Ray Rice (domestic violence) and Adrian Peterson (child abuse), cannot afford to treat Brady as Teflon Tom, not with the integrity of the game at issue here.

“We believe it is unlikely that an equipment assistant and a locker room attendant would deflate game balls without Brady’s knowledge and approval,” the report says.

Translation: He knew.

Brady made the bed he sleeps in now by refusing to cooperate with the investigation’s requests for text messages and emails to what the report more than probably identifies as his Deflategate accomplices.

It may be “incomprehensible” to Patriots owner Robert Kraft — the NFL Commissioner’s pal — that the investigation reached this conclusion without “incontrovertible or hard evidence” of deliberate deflation of footballs, but Brady being “at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities” is more than enough to be deemed guilty in the court of public opinion outside New England.

If for no other reason than he is Bill Belichick’s quarterback.

The burden of proof fell on Brady during the course of the investigation to prove he was unaware, which he assured us he was at an awkward Foxborough press conference prior to the Super Bowl.

This is what he hemmed and hawed that day:

“I didn’t alter the ball in any way.”

He didn’t need to.

“I have no knowledge of any wrongdoing.”

Left to right: Patriots owners Robert and Jonathan Kraft, coach Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.Photo: AP

Mr. Wells believes he probably did.

“I think there’s a lot of people that have more information than me.”

No lie there.

“I have questions, too, but there’s nobody that I know that can answer the questions that I have.”

That doesn’t seem to be the truth.

Brady was asked that day if he was a cheater.

“I don’t believe so,” he said. “I feel like I’ve always played within the rules, I would never to do anything to break the rules. I believe in fair play and I respect the league and everything that they’re doing to try to create a very competitive playing field for all the NFL teams.”

But most of all, for HIS team.

Every NFL quarterback may like his footballs a certain weight and feel, but rules are rules, even if they now need to be altered so the clubs can’t handle (doctor) them, and Brady got caught breaking them.

Belichick and Brady will be remembered in some circles as the greatest head coach-quarterback tandem in NFL history.

They will be remembered in other circles as the greatest head coach-quarterback cheaters in NFL history.

(And I’m sorry, just because Wells absolves Belichick of any wrongdoing hardly means the coach was oblivious to it all inside what was exposed previously as The Evil Empire following Spygate.)

It’s a lack of institutional control that leads to the likes of self-admitted deflator Jim McNally and John Jastremski deflating the integrity of the AFC Championship game, and the buck stops with the all-knowing Belichick.

If Belichick gets off without a suspension, what is Sean Payton, suspended one full season for Bountygate, to think? If the Saints were fined $500,000 and lost a pair of second-round picks, what are they supposed to think)?

The ball — regulation weight, of course — is in Goodell’s court.

Belichick has told us for so long there isn’t a quarterback he would rather have than Tom Brady. Now, sadly, we have another reminder why.

Legacy deflated.

 

[Seton75]

I think 2 games is fair. And hopefully the NFL will change the procedure of storing balls. This commish makes 44 mill a year. Imagine if he was doing a good job? lofl.

 

[Save Continental]

Unfortunately for fans he's doing a good job at the only things the owners care about...I agree, give him a couple games and I think that will satisfy the masses.

 

[Hall91]

I'd say throw him out of an entire season, but unfortunately since the NFL really doesn't have a great system for monitoring game balls and leaving it to each team's own monitoring, you can't kill one player/one team for poor controls like that.

Just makes you dislike Brady and the Patriots that much more. I'm a Giants fan; and there is still nothing sweeter than those 2 SB victories we had against these pricks.

 

[HALL85]

I think 2 games is fair. And hopefully the NFL will change the procedure of storing balls. This commish makes 44 mill a year. Imagine if he was doing a good job? lofl.

Two games is likely. Goodell is qualified to be on the SHU BOR.

 

[Pirate64]

Out for the season.

 

[Seton75]

Unfortunately for fans he's doing a good job at the only things the owners care about...I agree, give him a couple games and I think that will satisfy the masses.

A monkey in charge would not effect how much money the NFL makes in the present. But the future has stuff that needs to be dealt with and I see no reason to think this guy is up to the task. I don't follow the NFL out of season too closely, so I am talking out of my ass some. But he seems to me to miss on every issue he has to tackle.

 

[Muggsy Blue]

Nah, Tommy's daddy said he didn't do it

 

[hallgrad80]

I guess the question is whether the reports conclusions that he probably knew or was generally aware is sufficient to warrant some type of sanctions. It certainly would have been better if the report had said he knew or that he had instructured or directed the deflating of the balls instead of the conclusions which are not 100% definitive but he clearly does deserve to be suspended .What we can say is that cheating in one form or another is present in every sport at every level and nothing is off the table to gain an advantage from deflated footballs to year after year of academic misconduct at UNC and a lot worse.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Just makes you dislike Brady and the Patriots that much more. I'm a Giants fan; and there is still nothing sweeter than those 2 SB victories we had against these pricks.

I don't like the Giants, but was rooting for them both times. If it weren't for that bonehead Seattle coach, this past Super Bowl was as good as lost. Twenty years from now, we'll be reading about how the Seahawks threw that game.

 

[Stevie_H]

An awful lotta jealousy here. Haters can't handle it. lol

 

[bobojcd]

Since the report concludes that he "probably" did the crime or had knowledge there of I say they should give him a "probably suspension". Suspend him for four games and he "probably" won't play in them.

This report is an absolute crock of shit. They were charged with finding out what happened, not what probably happened, not what they think happened, not what may have happened. Yet the report is nothing but that.

The investigators have come to ZERO conclusions, except that they think maybe Brady directed the under-inflation of footballs which, guess what, we all already thought that! The problem was we didn't know for sure, and now...we still don't!

We don't know one thing more than we knew before. If they suspend him now, why the F didn't they suspend him for the Super Bowl? The facts haven't changed since then.

To put it in Big east terms, Villanova will probably win the league next year. Let's just give them the title. If "probably" is good enough to suspend someone, what else is "probably" good for?

 

[hinson32]

As a Steeler fan, I think he must be suspended at least for the first game.

 

[Section112]

It should be 3 games. The issue here is folks are not really cooperating and those texts are daming enough to know what everyone knows anyway that Brady was at the center of it. I need to get a job though to do a 200 page report, get paid a fortune and say ya of course he probably did it. Just more of the same from the Patriots. They don't need to cheat they are good but they do anyway. The game really has no integrity with the folks running it so I'll be surprised if its more than a one game suspension.

 

[Stevie_H]

The investigators have come to ZERO conclusions, except that they think maybe Brady directed the under-inflation of footballs which, guess what, we all already thought that!

Actually, the report wasn't even that strong, declaring “more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware”. Brilliant investigation work.

 

[Seton75]

As a Steeler fan, I think he must be suspended at least for the first game.

I think it is more like the chocolate ice cream is missing. Some kid who loves chocolate ice cream was found with chocolate ice cream on his clothes. No one saw who took the ice cream. Wonder who is guilty.

 

[Halldan1]

Bill Simmons questions Goodell’s ‘testicular fortitude’ on Brady ban

By Justin Terranova

May 7, 2015 | 4:33pm

Roger Goodell, Bill Simmons, Tom Brady Photo: AP (3)

What? You thought Bill Simmons was done tormenting NFL commissioner Roger Goodell?

The ESPN columnist, in an interview Thursday on the “Dan Patrick Show,” ripped Goodell over the way he’s handling the Deflategate investigation.

Simmons, a noted Patriots fan, theorized on why Goodell had yet to reach a ruling on a punishment for Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, who was the main figure in the controversial 243-page finding.

“It’s pathetic. He has handled so many things so badly, Roger Goodell, that it’s reached a point now where you have something like this, where it took four months to release the report and he knew everything that was in it,” Simmons said in the interview, as transcribed by Awful Announcing.

“He knows the results before the report comes out, you know, before it’s released to the public and yet doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to do anything until he gauges the public reaction.”

There has been speculation Brady could face anywhere from a one- to four-game ban, but nothing is concrete.

Simmons himself was suspended for three weeks last year when he called Goodell a liar for claiming he had not seen the Ray Rice elevator video and then challenged ESPN bosses to banish him.

“It’s so clear that they released this report and they are just gauging public reaction for 24-48 hours,” Simmons said. “There’s no question they are doing that.”

Simmons used the opportunity to compare Goodell to NBA commissioner Adam Silver.

“Like look at the difference between that and Adam Silver, who’s done a great job with the NBA this first year-and-a-half,” he said.

“Adam Silver gives the MVP to Steph Curry the other night, gets a huge ovation from the Warriors crowd. Everyone’s like, ‘Hey, it’s Adam Silver! We love that guy! That guy’s working in our interests. He’s making the league better. Let’s give him some applause!’ And then you have Goodell the week before at the draft, he’s literally getting booed off the stage after every pick. That’s where the NFL is right now. Look at the difference between how Adam Silver was treated before Game 2 of the Warriors [series] versus the NFL Draft. That’s the NFL right now.”

 

[catholicman]

4 game suspension for Brady. 2 game suspension for Belichick for multiple cheating offenses on his watch. Loss of draft pick for Patriots.
That sounds about right...

 

[Halldan1]

Two games? All season? A forecast of Brady’s likely punishment
By Brian Costello

May 7, 2015 | 11:33pm

Tom Brady Photo: Reuters

The deflated ball is now in Roger Goodell’s court.

The NFL commissioner must determine, along with NFL vice president of football operations Troy Vincent, what punishment the Patriots will receive for Ted Wells’ findings in the Deflategate controversy.

All eyes are now on the NFL office to see if it gives the Patriots a slap on the wrist or throws the book at them. The biggest question on everyone’s mind is what punishment star quarterback Tom Brady will receive after Wells found it was “more probable than not” Brady knew the footballs were being deflated.

Multiple reports indicate the discipline will be handed down in the next few days.

This is a critical moment for Goodell, who has been under fire for the past year, in part due to the light discipline initially given to Ray Rice. If Goodell goes soft on Brady and the Patriots, people will scream about a double standard for Patriots owner Robert Kraft, one of Goodell’s closest allies before this scandal began.

The Wells report did not implicate coach Bill Belichick or Kraft, leaving the bull’s-eye on Brady.

The Miami Herald reported Thursday the NFL was considering all punishments for Brady, even a season-long suspension. Though that seems unlikely, there is public pressure for the league to suspend him for at least one game and maybe more. Andrew Brandt, a former executive with the Packers, said he expects a multi-game suspension of Brady, perhaps as many as four games. Hall of Fame tight end Shannon Sharpe called for Brady to be out two to four games.

As the defending Super Bowl champions, the Patriots kick off the season in prime time on “Thursday Night Football” against the Steelers. It will be surreal if Jimmy Garoppolo is New England’s starting quarterback and Brady is not in the building when the Patriots hang their Super Bowl banner.

Brady almost certainly will be suspended. The NFL has cracked down on several “integrity of the game” violations lately. Browns general manager Ray Farmer was banned for four games for text messaging the coaches during a game. Falcons president Rich McKay was kicked off the competition committee for a while after the Falcons were found to have pumped artificial crowd noise into the Georgia Dome. McKay was not found to have direct knowledge, but still was punished. Saints general manager Mickey Loomis and coach Sean Payton were suspended in 2012 for the Bountygate scandal. Payton missed the entire year.

Though Brady is the prime culprit expected to face discipline, Belichick and Kraft may not escape completely unscathed. There is the history of Spygate lingering over all of this. If Goodell views the Patriots as repeat offenders, he could slap a fine on the organization and Belichick. It seems unlikely they would have to forfeit a draft pick, but everything probably is on the table.

About the only thing Goodell can’t take away from the Patriots is the Lombardi Trophy they won two weeks after beating the Colts with the deflated footballs.

 

[BayonneRay]

4 game suspension for Brady. 2 game suspension for Belichick for multiple cheating offenses on his watch. Loss of draft pick for Patriots.
That sounds about right...

If Goodell really had a pair he should not suspend Brady and/or Belichick. What he should do is take away the AFC championship and Super Bowl away from the Patriots and cancel all bonuses that were earned related to these championships. This would definitely be a deterrent for during this sort of thing in the future.

 

[SnakeTom]

I'm certainly not a Patriots or Brady fan & as a Jets fan i would like to see Brady banned for life, but I don't really think it's a big deal. The problem is the NFL rule letting teams handle the balls they will use in advance. How is this different from Bill Parcels as Giants or Jets coach opening and closing the wind tunnels depending on which team is attempting a field goal. Maybe they should take away that Giants SB win when Scott Norwood missed that last second field goal. I think not.

I also thought that spygate episode of a few years ago was a lot noise about nothing also. In baseball teams try to steal signals all the time and pitchers applying foreign substances, cutting or scuffing the balls is common place. It's all about seeking an edge or gamesmanship. Simple solution is if someone is stealing the signals, change signals. It's all part of the game. Simple solution in this case is the referees should give out the game balls not let each team control its own.

Tom K

 

[SnakeTom]

If Goodell really had a pair he should not suspend Brady and/or Belichick. What he should do is take away the AFC championship and Super Bowl away from the Patriots and cancel all bonuses that were earned related to these championships. This would definitely be a deterrent for during this sort of thing in the future.

That would be an over reaction to a minor violation.

TK

 

[PirateSal]

I'm certainly not a Patriots or Brady fan & as a Jets fan i would like to see Brady banned for life, but I don't really think it's a big deal. The problem is the NFL rule letting teams handle the balls they will use in advance. How is this different from Bill Parcels as Giants or Jets coach opening and closing the wind tunnels depending on which team is attempting a field goal. Maybe they should take away that Giants SB win when Scott Norwood missed that last second field goal. I think not.

I also thought that spygate episode of a few years ago was a lot noise about nothing also. In baseball teams try to steal signals all the time and pitchers applying foreign substances, cutting or scuffing the balls is common place. It's all about seeking an edge or gamesmanship. Simple solution is if someone is stealing the signals, change signals. It's all part of the game. Simple solution in this case is the referees should give out the game balls not let each team control its own.

Tom K

Maybe they should take away that Giants SB win when Scott Norwood missed that last second field goal. I think not.

Tom that game was not played at Giants Stadium so how ridiculous is that comparison

 

[PirateSal]

4 game suspension for Brady. 2 game suspension for Belichick for multiple cheating offenses on his watch. Loss of draft pick for Patriots.
That sounds about right...

+1

 

[seton1996]

My personal thought is 4 games, but I think 2 is fair, I expect 1 or 2 games.

 

[knowknow456]

The Patriots should be docked a third round pick for lack of institutional control. The protocol for the game balls is clear. What is also clear is there was appearance of impropriety (if not red handed evidence). On some level, this can be filed under "not your fault, but it is your problem"

Brady should get two games. One game is for the implication of impropriety. In a league where games are won and lost by fractions of an inch, an 8% reduction in the inflation of the footballs is a competitive advantage, one the league has very specific rules about. The second game is for non cooperation with the league. By rule he does not have to comply but when it comes to matters of competitive balance, the league must take a firm stance. Not participating in the investigation comes with its own penalty.

 

[chickenbox]

Do the football equivalent of whatever you do for getting caught using a corked bat plus the football equivalent of whatever you do for lying about using a corked bat when you are caught using a corked bat and there is an investigation that finds a preponderance of evidence suggesting you were intentionally using a corked bat

 

[Seton75]

I'm certainly not a Patriots or Brady fan & as a Jets fan i would like to see Brady banned for life, but I don't really think it's a big deal. The problem is the NFL rule letting teams handle the balls they will use in advance. How is this different from Bill Parcels as Giants or Jets coach opening and closing the wind tunnels depending on which team is attempting a field goal. Maybe they should take away that Giants SB win when Scott Norwood missed that last second field goal. I think not.

I also thought that spygate episode of a few years ago was a lot noise about nothing also. In baseball teams try to steal signals all the time and pitchers applying foreign substances, cutting or scuffing the balls is common place. It's all about seeking an edge or gamesmanship. Simple solution is if someone is stealing the signals, change signals. It's all part of the game. Simple solution in this case is the referees should give out the game balls not let each team control its own.

Tom K

Tom, you are a lawyer. One commits a crime only when they break the agreed upon rules, not every time we think they are acting badly. The rule is specific and they skirted it and lied about doing so. Guilty. So called "gamesmanship", like the wind tunnels or the locker rooms in the old Boston Garden should not be allowed. That isn't gamesmanship. Of course the NFL could have managed this so easily so this would not happen. But when money and ego is involved, every edge, legal and illegal is going to be considered.

 

[BayonneRay]

That would be an over reaction to a minor violation.

TK

SnakeTom- This minor violation could have been the difference between winning or losing the AFC championship therefore being able to participate in the Super Bowl. To me that is not a minor violation but a major one. To deter this from happening again the league should strip the team of their championships and fine the team the same amount of money that all the bonuses total and possibly donate that amount to the retired players' fund.

 

[SnakeTom]

Maybe they should take away that Giants SB win when Scott Norwood missed that last second field goal. I think not.

Tom that game was not played at Giants Stadium so how ridiculous is that comparison

You are right but using the same analogy others are using here maybe the Giants would not have gotten as far as the super bowl had they not played with the wind tunnels during the season. Here the Patriots are not accused of tampering with anything in the super bowl, but rather in the games leading up to the Super Bowl.

If you want to penalize the Patriots, fine, take away a high draft choice. That would be appropriate. Anything beyond that is out of proportion to the "crime".

Tom K

 

[The Crows Nest]

And if so for how long?

NFL must sack cheater Tom Brady with two-game ban
By Steve Serby

May 6, 2015 | 9:04pm

Photo: EPA

Steve Serby

The Pretty Boy doesn’t look so pretty anymore, and now he will be forced to wear a pair of Scarlet Letters when the 2015 NFL season begins: C for Cheater, L for Liar.

After three months of breathlessly waiting, we are left with a 243-page Wells Report that should leave Roger Goodell (and Troy Vincent) no recourse other than to suspend Tom Brady for a minimum of two games when the 2015 NFL season begins.

Brady, four-time Super Bowl champion and — until this — the Greatest Quarterback Of All Time, takes the biggest hit, because he has always seemed so earnest, a refreshing counterpoint to the diabolical Hoodie, living the American dream, the beautiful Gisele on his arm, someone we wanted so badly to believe, someone we trusted.

And now? How are we to believe anything other than Tom Terrific is a wolf in sheep’s clothing? A co-conspirator with a pair of organization lackeys to gain a competitive advantage to ensure he would have a chance to win his first Super Bowl in 10 years?

Wells: “It is more than probable” Brady “was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities” involving the release of air from the Patriots’ footballs.

Translation: He knew.

If this is a veiled attempt to honor the image of Teflon Tom, legalese with a convenient out, Goodell should not buy it.

Goodell, after a nightmare year of Ray Rice (domestic violence) and Adrian Peterson (child abuse), cannot afford to treat Brady as Teflon Tom, not with the integrity of the game at issue here.

“We believe it is unlikely that an equipment assistant and a locker room attendant would deflate game balls without Brady’s knowledge and approval,” the report says.

Translation: He knew.

Brady made the bed he sleeps in now by refusing to cooperate with the investigation’s requests for text messages and emails to what the report more than probably identifies as his Deflategate accomplices.

It may be “incomprehensible” to Patriots owner Robert Kraft — the NFL Commissioner’s pal — that the investigation reached this conclusion without “incontrovertible or hard evidence” of deliberate deflation of footballs, but Brady being “at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities” is more than enough to be deemed guilty in the court of public opinion outside New England.

If for no other reason than he is Bill Belichick’s quarterback.

The burden of proof fell on Brady during the course of the investigation to prove he was unaware, which he assured us he was at an awkward Foxborough press conference prior to the Super Bowl.

This is what he hemmed and hawed that day:

“I didn’t alter the ball in any way.”

He didn’t need to.

“I have no knowledge of any wrongdoing.”

Left to right: Patriots owners Robert and Jonathan Kraft, coach Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.Photo: AP

Mr. Wells believes he probably did.

“I think there’s a lot of people that have more information than me.”

No lie there.

“I have questions, too, but there’s nobody that I know that can answer the questions that I have.”

That doesn’t seem to be the truth.

Brady was asked that day if he was a cheater.

“I don’t believe so,” he said. “I feel like I’ve always played within the rules, I would never to do anything to break the rules. I believe in fair play and I respect the league and everything that they’re doing to try to create a very competitive playing field for all the NFL teams.”

But most of all, for HIS team.

Every NFL quarterback may like his footballs a certain weight and feel, but rules are rules, even if they now need to be altered so the clubs can’t handle (doctor) them, and Brady got caught breaking them.

Belichick and Brady will be remembered in some circles as the greatest head coach-quarterback tandem in NFL history.

They will be remembered in other circles as the greatest head coach-quarterback cheaters in NFL history.

(And I’m sorry, just because Wells absolves Belichick of any wrongdoing hardly means the coach was oblivious to it all inside what was exposed previously as The Evil Empire following Spygate.)

It’s a lack of institutional control that leads to the likes of self-admitted deflator Jim McNally and John Jastremski deflating the integrity of the AFC Championship game, and the buck stops with the all-knowing Belichick.

If Belichick gets off without a suspension, what is Sean Payton, suspended one full season for Bountygate, to think? If the Saints were fined $500,000 and lost a pair of second-round picks, what are they supposed to think)?

The ball — regulation weight, of course — is in Goodell’s court.

Belichick has told us for so long there isn’t a quarterback he would rather have than Tom Brady. Now, sadly, we have another reminder why.

Legacy deflated.

Doesn't matter, they'll never suspend him long enough to miss the Jets games.... That's all I care about

 

[Section112]

The NFL has already screwed this up royally. First the investigation has taken forever. Second they come out a few weeks ago withthe report. Instead of waiting two days and then imposing a fine or penalty they drag it out again. Then the Commish says their will be a suspension. And then they say they still haven't decided on the penalty. By dragging this out they make themselves look so stupid and also give Brady more ammo for an appeal. Just stupidity all around in my opinion. Set a rule - if the team balls are not inflated properly, one regular season game suspension for the quarterback and team loses a 4th round pick. Done. And attach penalties to other rules so its automatic and gets done without the endless moronic debate.

 

[anon_4htvdezyfe7k9]

Actually, the report wasn't even that strong, declaring “more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware”. Brilliant investigation work.

Was the investigator completely unobjective, like the one hired to investigate the Ray Rice situation? It so, if he's even hinting at Brady's involvement than I'd say that adds some strength to the report.

Brady and Belichek have been caught cheating over and over again and have gotten little more than a slap on the wrist every time, which I suspect will be the case here.

And as a Giants fan, I'm far from jealous of the Patriots and what they had to do to accomplish what they have in the last decade or so. I'm sure every team bends the rules, but the Patriots have gotten caught repeatedly, and who knows what else they've done or are doing that they haven't been caught for yet.

 

[Seton75]

You are right but using the same analogy others are using here maybe the Giants would not have gotten as far as the super bowl had they not played with the wind tunnels during the season. Here the Patriots are not accused of tampering with anything in the super bowl, but rather in the games leading up to the Super Bowl.

If you want to penalize the Patriots, fine, take away a high draft choice. That would be appropriate. Anything beyond that is out of proportion to the "crime".

Tom K

Is what the NYG did illegal? Is what the Pats did illegal?

 

[hbkmyr]

It's the equivalent of a pitcher scuffing a ball to me. He should be suspended accordingly.

 

[Section112]

The arguments I've heard from knuckleheads like Jesse Palmer say "but both teams had to use the same ball." But only one team knew it was underinflated - that is the difference.

And the texts are clear enough to know it was done intentionally and a noncooperative Tom Brady was mentioned enough to know he had to know about it too.

 

[Seton75]

The arguments I've heard from knuckleheads like Jesse Palmer say "but both teams had to use the same ball." But only one team knew it was underinflated - that is the difference.

And the texts are clear enough to know it was done intentionally and a noncooperative Tom Brady was mentioned enough to know he had to know about it too.

No, the difference is that one team conspired to doctor the ball so it no longer confirmed with a specific,written rule. It doesn't matter if Brady completed a pass of if the Pats were shut out.

 

[anon_4htvdezyfe7k9]

The arguments I've heard from knuckleheads like Jesse Palmer say "but both teams had to use the same ball." But only one team knew it was underinflated - that is the difference.

And the texts are clear enough to know it was done intentionally and a noncooperative Tom Brady was mentioned enough to know he had to know about it too.

I thought each team used their own balls, hence the reason the Pats balls were in their lockeroom when they were deflated. Is that not accurate? Either way Brady has admitted to preferring deflated balls and the Pats were the ones doctoring them so it doesn't really change the fact they knowingly cheated.

 

[Section112]

I thought each team used their own balls, hence the reason the Pats balls were in their lockeroom when they were deflated. Is that not accurate? Either way Brady has admitted to preferring deflated balls and the Pats were the ones doctoring them so it doesn't really change the fact they knowingly cheated.

They do on offense or when they are kicking. But they have to defend against the same underinflated balls so Palmer is saying it is probably also easier for a defender to intercept a Brady thrown ball then a properly inflated one.

 

[anon_4htvdezyfe7k9]

They do on offense or when they are kicking. But they have to defend against the same underinflated balls so Palmer is saying it is probably also easier for a defender to intercept a Brady thrown ball then a properly inflated one.

Wow, then that is a knucklehead comment to make.