DOGE

[shupat08]

who could have seen it coming!!

And they think the courts and Congress matter? The white christo fascist SCOTUS has given him immunity. He can tell everyone to **** themselves and do what he pleases and ignore all laws and court rulings.

The goal is Lindbergh winning at the end of Plot Against America, Japan and Germany winning at the end of Man in the High Castle, the Hand's Maid Tales. That's the goal of the Republican party and project 2025.

 

[HALL85]

And they think the courts and Congress matter? The white christo fascist SCOTUS has given him immunity. He can tell everyone to **** themselves and do what he pleases and ignore all laws and court rulings.

The goal is Lindbergh winning at the end of Plot Against America, Japan and Germany winning at the end of Man in the High Castle, the Hand's Maid Tales. That's the goal of the Republican party kand project 2025.

You watch too much TV…

 

[shupat08]

You watch too much TV…

No, I understand history and look at things in the big picture. You focus on the small picture on purpose.

 

[Robot_Man]

Here we go again…Russia-gate 2.0. Smh

So you think the Wall Street Journal's reporting is wrong?

 

[HALL85]

No, I understand history and look at things in the big picture. You focus on the small picture on purpose.

You did a good job of sourcing fictional shows….

 

[shupat08]

You did a good job of sourcing fictional shows….

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

 

[HALL85]

So you think the Wall Street Journal's reporting is wrong?

Haven’t seen it.

 

[SHUSA]

No, I understand history and look at things in the big picture. You focus on the small picture on purpose.

but he founded invested in space x did you hear???

 

[Robot_Man]

Haven’t seen it.

The article is paywalled. Here's a podcast (with transcript) that the WSJ did with one of the authors. Some excerpts:

Ryan Knutson: Over the next eight months, Tom and a team of reporters spoke with several current and former US, European, and Russian officials who confirmed the contact between Musk and Putin. And why was this such a big deal?

Thomas Grove: It raises all kinds of important questions, because this is the richest man in the world and the United States' most powerful, important and influential businessman, and on the other end of the line, you have Vladimir Putin, who has obviously emerged in the last decade or so as the United States' chief adversary.

*************

Ryan Knutson: In September of 2022, Ukraine tried to use Starlink terminals for an attack on a Russian naval base in Crimea, but the plan failed.

Thomas Grove: They wouldn't work around Crimea. Musk had basically decided that they weren't going to support Starlink around Crimea.

Ryan Knutson: Musk later said he declined a request to activate Starlink in the area because he didn't want SpaceX to be complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation. The decision sparked huge backlash. Ukrainian and other foreign officials accused Musk of siding with Russia. After The Journal's story about Musk and Putin published, SpaceX said in a post on X that Starlink had kept Ukrainians online during the conflict. It added that Starlink has defended against efforts to disrupt service. In October of 2022, Musk tweeted a proposed peace plan, which included having Ukraine remain neutral outside of NATO and cede Crimea to Russia.

Thomas Grove: And he called the Soviet leader Khrushchev, his gifting of Crimea to Ukraine under the Soviet Union, a mistake.

Ryan Knutson: Which is sort of like Russia's point of view and Putin's point of view, essentially. That Ukraine, and particularly the Crimea region, that belongs to Russia.

Thomas Grove: Exactly. That is completely in line with the Russian narrative, that Crimea is, was, and always will be Russian.

**************

Ryan Knutson: There was one exchange that really stood out and it had to do with Taiwan, which China sees as part of its territory. A former Russian intelligence official briefed on the situation told The Journal that Putin had a request. According to the source...

Thomas Grove: Russia had tried to do a favor for China. Basically tried to do a favor for Beijing, to say just make sure that Starlink is never turned on over Taiwan. And so that was one of the most specific pieces of information from the calls that we were aware of.

Ryan Knutson: It's unclear how Musk responded to Putin's request. SpaceX said on Friday that Taiwan hasn't given Starlink a license to operate and that Taiwan has declined to remove a regulatory hurdle for operations. SpaceX said the fact that it doesn't operate there has "nothing to do with Russia and China." A representative of the Chinese embassy in Washington said they weren't aware of the specifics and couldn't comment. And what has the Kremlin and Putin said?

Thomas Grove: Well, the Kremlin said that there's been one call between the two; that they spoke about space, they talked about science, now and in the future.

https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal/elon-musks-secret-conversations-with-vladimir-putin/419f9acd-f3a3-4ad0-865e-be3054fb5df7

 

[HALL85]

The article is paywalled. Here's a podcast (with transcript) that the WSJ did with one of the authors. Some excerpts:

Ryan Knutson: Over the next eight months, Tom and a team of reporters spoke with several current and former US, European, and Russian officials who confirmed the contact between Musk and Putin. And why was this such a big deal?

Thomas Grove: It raises all kinds of important questions, because this is the richest man in the world and the United States' most powerful, important and influential businessman, and on the other end of the line, you have Vladimir Putin, who has obviously emerged in the last decade or so as the United States' chief adversary.

*************

Ryan Knutson: In September of 2022, Ukraine tried to use Starlink terminals for an attack on a Russian naval base in Crimea, but the plan failed.

Thomas Grove: They wouldn't work around Crimea. Musk had basically decided that they weren't going to support Starlink around Crimea.

Ryan Knutson: Musk later said he declined a request to activate Starlink in the area because he didn't want SpaceX to be complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation. The decision sparked huge backlash. Ukrainian and other foreign officials accused Musk of siding with Russia. After The Journal's story about Musk and Putin published, SpaceX said in a post on X that Starlink had kept Ukrainians online during the conflict. It added that Starlink has defended against efforts to disrupt service. In October of 2022, Musk tweeted a proposed peace plan, which included having Ukraine remain neutral outside of NATO and cede Crimea to Russia.

Thomas Grove: And he called the Soviet leader Khrushchev, his gifting of Crimea to Ukraine under the Soviet Union, a mistake.

Ryan Knutson: Which is sort of like Russia's point of view and Putin's point of view, essentially. That Ukraine, and particularly the Crimea region, that belongs to Russia.

Thomas Grove: Exactly. That is completely in line with the Russian narrative, that Crimea is, was, and always will be Russian.

**************

Ryan Knutson: There was one exchange that really stood out and it had to do with Taiwan, which China sees as part of its territory. A former Russian intelligence official briefed on the situation told The Journal that Putin had a request. According to the source...

Thomas Grove: Russia had tried to do a favor for China. Basically tried to do a favor for Beijing, to say just make sure that Starlink is never turned on over Taiwan. And so that was one of the most specific pieces of information from the calls that we were aware of.

Ryan Knutson: It's unclear how Musk responded to Putin's request. SpaceX said on Friday that Taiwan hasn't given Starlink a license to operate and that Taiwan has declined to remove a regulatory hurdle for operations. SpaceX said the fact that it doesn't operate there has "nothing to do with Russia and China." A representative of the Chinese embassy in Washington said they weren't aware of the specifics and couldn't comment. And what has the Kremlin and Putin said?

Thomas Grove: Well, the Kremlin said that there's been one call between the two; that they spoke about space, they talked about science, now and in the future.

https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal/elon-musks-secret-conversations-with-vladimir-putin/419f9acd-f3a3-4ad0-865e-be3054fb5df7

There’s not much context there and a bunch of assumptions that prove what?

 

[SHallguy2]

No, I understand history and look at things in the big picture. You focus on the small picture on purpose.

When taxpayer money is funneled into TV and media to control a narrative what is it called?

 

[HALL85]

If Elon Musk really wanted to go after government waste, he would start and end at the Pentagon.

But he doesn't really want to do that. I'm asking you to think, really think, about why Elon Musk would do after an agency that is a literal rounding error on the federal government's balance sheet? You think he might have some ulterior motives?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...ding-for-cuts-going-to-find-a-lot/ar-AA1yC8Ld

That didn’t take long. Acting on your request.

 

[Robot_Man]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...ding-for-cuts-going-to-find-a-lot/ar-AA1yC8Ld

That didn’t take long. Acting on your request.

Here's hoping.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

 

[NYShoreGuy]

 

[SHallguy2]

FEMA says it's halting payments for migrant housing in New York after Musk blasts money for hotels

The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountable.

apnews.com

This makes sense, let’s help people who don’t pay taxes first. Musk has to find this before someone exercises common sense. FEMA is corrupt as well, maybe we can salvage this organization. They have no money but funding non taxpayers.

 

[Merge]

FEMA says it's halting payments for migrant housing in New York after Musk blasts money for hotels

The acting head of the federal agency responsible for responding to disasters says he’s suspending payments sent to New York City to house migrants and that staff who made them will be held accountable.

apnews.com

This makes sense, let’s help people who don’t pay taxes first.

Funding a program for housing doesn't mean they are helping them "first".
I appreciate that you may disagree with the program, but just like any other, funds were approved by congress and allocated for this specific purpose.

Musk has to find this before someone exercises common sense.

Musk is either ignorant to the facts or lying intentionally to stir up anger. My guess is the latter.

FEMA is not using disaster relief money here. They process the payments. I only know this because I looked it up last time republicans were trying to make people outraged that FEMA was using disaster money for immigrants, which they were not.

"The Shelter and Services Program (SSP), as directed by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023, is administered by FEMA in partnership with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). In Fiscal Year 2024, Congress appropriated $650,000,000 for SSP"

Shelter and Services Program | FEMA.gov

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is funded through U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and administered by FEMA, as directed by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023.

www.fema.gov

 

[SHallguy2]

Funding a program for housing doesn't mean they are helping them "first".
I appreciate that you may disagree with the program, but just like any other, funds were approved by congress and allocated for this specific purpose.



Musk is either ignorant to the facts or lying intentionally to stir up anger. My guess is the latter.

FEMA is not using disaster relief money here. They process the payments. I only know this because I looked it up last time republicans were trying to make people outraged that FEMA was using disaster money for immigrants, which they were not.

"The Shelter and Services Program (SSP), as directed by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023, is administered by FEMA in partnership with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). In Fiscal Year 2024, Congress appropriated $650,000,000 for SSP"

Shelter and Services Program | FEMA.gov

The Shelter and Services Program (SSP) is funded through U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and administered by FEMA, as directed by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023.

www.fema.gov

Don’t disagree with the program, actually think the idea of FEMA is a good one. We need to have oversight on these programs, things change from one year to the next. Same thing with education. Schools are spending money so they don’t lose the budget. No money for NC and California maybe we could do something that makes sense and move the money to where the priority is located. I know you have stated the border was a mess. This is just an insult to injury type of situation.