I have been numb and downright uninterested in this season but this thread has made me come back here just to say bravo. I implore people to stop going off on stupid tangents for once and actually add to Jcalz post.
Enough is Enough: The Leadership Failures at Seton Hall
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my guess on this.
Hank was told we dont care. he is gonna be the next pres.
and Hank agreed to stay cause he believes he can help - better than the alternatives.
fwiw i know nothing about hank but that he is very successfull on wall st, rich, and generous towards seton hall. And on the BOR. And, halldan speaks highly about him. which means a lot to me.
HallX2 has always shilled for the status quo/establishment. Why waste your time?
More smears. Shill for the status quo or hold my judgment until the facts are in.
You’re less well known than you imagine.
You’ve seen nothing but news paper/media reports.
I prefer to weigh real evidence before believing accusations that impugn the character of Reilly. And to those who accuse Hank of some type of corporate speak cover up shame on you.
To all of you judging on the media reports do future accuseds a favor and get yourself excused from jury duty.
Sad that so many are prepared to believe the worst. The kangaroo court is alive and well.
As if our season wasn’t back enough we have the full on bashing of everyone associated with the University.
Signing off. You’ll have one less voice urging facts before judgment.
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If you agree with the premise that for many universities the principal asset its president needs is the ability to raise monies ,,especially in the NIL / Play for Pay era we are in then you must find one with a strong business sense and a flair for raising money something that doesn’t stand out with our newly appointed president.
We need to do away with this Priest nonsense. it is akin to a DEI hire. You hire the best president for the job not one who MUST be a priest. This is super antiquated thinking. Think small at Seton Hall!
All of these gripes are pure nonsense and anger over the reality that SHU will perhaps never be able to compete at the same level as just about every other BE school because the NIL money may never be there. There is NO sugar daddy waiting in the wings to donate the millions needed.
So we blame everyone we can from the coach and his staff, the administration etc..
Look in the mirror and face the ugly truth. No matter who is replaced from the coach to the school president the NIL money will never be there in the numbers needed.
The landscape has changed for the worse and we are not going to fix it by changing people.
So we blame everyone we can from the coach and his staff, the administration etc..
Look in the mirror and face the ugly truth. No matter who is replaced from the coach to the school president the NIL money will never be there in the numbers needed.
The landscape has changed for the worse and we are not going to fix it by changing people.
Wrong. If the university had even the slightest clue about fundraising, how to do it and how to do it properly we would not be in the situation we are currently in.
When is the last time we had a capital campaign? We’ve been in a perpetual “quiet phase” since the failed campaign under Sheeran. Not exactly a recipe for success. You cannot keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.
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Can’t argue with HallX2 noting that a big part of our problem is an apathetic alumni base. But this is nothing new; it’s been this way ever since i remember being a student and then young alumni at SHU in the late 80s into the 90s. Unfortunately the school has done a poor job cultivating alumni engagement over the years, and then what’s become really obvious is a terrible job with fund raising with the high net worth alum. But you really can’t do the latter when you’ve done a historically poor job with alumni engagement and keeping a large commuter population feeling like they had a positive experience.
I’m sure the school has studied what Villanova does so well to have the level of engagement and alumni fund raising that they get. More importantly, they should be hiring more people from Villanova to help out situation here.
I’m sure the school has studied what Villanova does so well to have the level of engagement and alumni fund raising that they get. More importantly, they should be hiring more people from Villanova to help out situation here.
Look at Onward Setonia's membership levels and then go look at Providence or Nova's NIL sites.
Onward Setonia's top level membership $89 month with limited benefits
Providence, Nova, and almost every other school's top level membership $1000 month with some attractive benefits depending on the school. $500 a month at Maryland you can attend a practice with a guest.
Its like SHU is on the corner begging for change and everyone is else is trying to cultivate new donors. I am not saying this is suddenly going to get hundreds of new donors giving $10K per year, but it seems like the admin is accepting their fate and they can only go to the same group of known donors.
We have plenty of discussions on NIL and everything else. While the Board's failure there plays a part in the overall assessment of how they're leading the university, let's keep this and the pressure focused on the real issue - the appointment of the President & the failure of fiduciary responsibilities there. The doubling down by Hank D'Alessandro while more details squeak out on the precise points of why this was an absolute horrid decision screams for a complete reversal in stance, which IMHO is too far gone to be believable at this point, or admittance of wrongdoing to allow new leaders to come in.
The other point is that the university has to come to the realization that there is no way Reilly can be an effectual, credible leader now. He leaves the university with no leg to stand on even from a simple point of enforcing its own policies on Code of Conduct, Ethics, etc. When your top leader did not abide by those policies & was rewarded with a promotion, there is no defensibility an organization then has to enforce the same for everyone else. There is no path forward.
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We hired a guy associated with McCarrick. That is about as dumb as it comes.
It is unfortunate for a man to get caught up in circumstances. The McCarrick incident and his punishment of being sent to the Vatican, is fact, not kangaroo court. Our new pres' actions in that sordid affair are those of a company man. He acted like the rest of the church - look the other way...stay downstairs.
It's the Joe Paterno thing. He didn't do the actual thing, but he was aware of it and elected not to do anything about it because that's easier (although the internal investigation reports that he did have at least a hand in the expulsion of a complainant, which is criminal). Even if all he did was know and look away, bury his head in the sand, that shows a complete and callous lack of leadership and integrity -- not exactly the qualifying characteristics to become president of Seton Hall University.
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I think the most disturbing part of this is that calz was -- if I remember correctly -- a D'Alessandro protege. I also recall calz recently stating that he had enough financial stability that he was considering retiring. I agree with those who say that someone of this presumed wealth and investment in the school should "be the change" they wish to see. If we're going to oust one of our few "whales," then one or more of those need to step up and take his place.
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This is spot on and was echoed by a former acting chancellor I know well. Needs to happen, among many other things.
SHU does a great job of fund raising as far as I can see. I get many mailings from them asking for donations throughout the year and I do donate every year. I also get thank you letters and receipts for my records! So enough of the BS about the school!
The problem as I see it is I don't always want to direct my yearly contribution to sports and probably others feel the same way. Money is better spent where it should go which is for the school to direct as it sees fit which I hope is for academic endeavors. Afterall the mission of the school is about education and not fielding a semi pro basketball team.
I'm not inclined to have my money go to pay basketball players salaries.
I'm not a millionaire doner but I think those folks have the same thought process. Where is the best place for them to direct their money where it will have the most benefit? A player's NIL payment or the betterment of the school mission? For me it is an easy decision.
Now if there was someone who could do both and wants to do both fine. I'm not sure that is going to happen to save the program the way many of you want.
The problem as I see it is I don't always want to direct my yearly contribution to sports and probably others feel the same way. Money is better spent where it should go which is for the school to direct as it sees fit which I hope is for academic endeavors. Afterall the mission of the school is about education and not fielding a semi pro basketball team.
I'm not inclined to have my money go to pay basketball players salaries.
I'm not a millionaire doner but I think those folks have the same thought process. Where is the best place for them to direct their money where it will have the most benefit? A player's NIL payment or the betterment of the school mission? For me it is an easy decision.
Now if there was someone who could do both and wants to do both fine. I'm not sure that is going to happen to save the program the way many of you want.
The caveat though is that a good basketball team puts the school on the map. But I’m with you. I did not have an issue with players making NIL. I was donating and donating often. After all, there isn’t a product without the players. But this pay-for-play BS and the transfer portal turned me off so much that I will not give another dollar. In fact, my season ticket renewal is in jeopardy too. This game is unrecognizable and I’m over it. I’m sure when they send out their annual “too soon” email request offering me a discount to renew early won’t be an issue when I wait and see if we can retain some players that I identify with. I will not watch us turn over our roster from year to year. I’d rather suck and know our players than suck less and turn over our roster every year. Stupid!
It is sad how incredibly scared of success the university is. So much could be done but those with the power to make the necessary changes refuse to for whatever reason. Very frustrating.
You really think Seton Hall should do a capital campaign now with NIL/P4P fundraising being such a hot issue? This would be the practice facility instead of NIL/P4P all over again.
When Onward started, I said wouldnt it be great if we could get a thousand Guardians. That is a million a year. 20 people from each of the last 50 classes... or one sixth of he season ticket holders.
The response I got was Seton75 has lost his mind.
Fundraising is a 2 way street. Someone asks and someone says yes. And even if they ask poorly or rarely, if you care, you can write a check. Maybe the school sucks. That doesnt mean we might not suck too.
The response I got was Seton75 has lost his mind.
Fundraising is a 2 way street. Someone asks and someone says yes. And even if they ask poorly or rarely, if you care, you can write a check. Maybe the school sucks. That doesnt mean we might not suck too.
They are 21-2. Well coached. Run sets, make shots, play tough defense. Very disciplined. They would be top half of this league with ease this season with all D2 players and coach. Casual like you will see come March. Get some ball knowledge. BE only plays 18 games now? Lol
This. And if you are truly invested in the University, that is exactly not the time to withdraw whatever charitable and/or season ticket money you lay out.
The Seton Hall president should resign and also Drake is a pretty good team all in the same thread. That's not on my bingo card.
Wouldn't it be great if it was clear what a member received for being a Guardian level member? For the record I did not attend SHU, I graduated from Maryland in 2009. I will use Maryland to highlight some of the differences in their NIL campaign because I receive emails often.
I go on Onward Setonia and I am supposed to get excited about a thank you email, and a doubloons bonus (whatever that means)
I go on the Marylands NIL page and see that their membership levels offer the following:
- Exclusive Club Decal
- Exclusive Club T-Shirt
- Exclusive Club Hat
- Autographed Picture of Player of Choice
- Exclusive UA 3/4 Zip Pullover
- Personalized Video Message from Player of Choice
- Attend a Practice with Guest
- Foursome Entry in Golf Tournament
- Autographed Collectible from Former Player
- Meet and Greet with Players and Coaches
- Limited Edition Signed Team Basketball
Fundraising is definitely a 2 way street, however the clear lack of effort on Onward Setonia's side is pretty evident.
LOL! Drake would be top half BE! Sure they could beat us but their neighborhood would be Butler and DePaul. Competing in the BE with a roster of D2 players. Ludicrous.
BTW, I’ve been watching and attending SHU games for 50 years. Season ticket holder . When did you helicopter in, But yeah you caught my error of 18 vs 20. Good for you.
I like their options. Seems like good value at each level, and something at each level that would likely capture each type of fan.
I constantly ask for autographed memorabilia. I mention it to anyone that would listen. It seemingly falls on deaf ears. It shouldn't be that hard to get a team signed basketball in this day and age.
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