Fire Sha! Fire Felt! Fire Lyons!

[The Crows Nest]

Plans are great but what we need is MONEY. Our alum generously contributed to our new Athletic Center, but to convince them to dip into their pockets again to pay for recruits who are receiving room, board and a free education is a much more difficult task. Any suggestions?

I think to counteract the (understandable) reluctance to pay players, the school should be seeking donations to fund the Athletic Dept....all sports...and commit that they will match, dollar for dollar, funds raised that the school will then use as their NIL budget.

Donated funds are tax deductible, thus also more palatable.

Shell game? perhaps, but to some people, optics are important, so maybe this helps get some folks off the fence...plus it forces the University to commit to an NIL funded budget (said commitment, by the way should have a minimum floor) to allow for competitive teams.

Something to that effect...

 

[Gritty5837]

Plans are great but what we need is MONEY. Our alum generously contributed to our new Athletic Center, but to convince them to dip into their pockets again to pay for recruits who are receiving room, board and a free education is a much more difficult task. Any suggestions?

You need money and/or an offensive system to attract players. Seton Hall has no offensive identity. Defense is more effort based. Offense is different.

He's not going anywhere but since he used the L'Ville gig for a raise, this offseason he needs to be heavily pressured into hiring someone to run his offense. Both are fair. For what he's paid the offense is not good enough. There's a big enough track record to show he is a mediocre offensive coach.

To me, Sha wants to be the program CEO while also micromanaging. It's very difficult to do both and be successful. Pick a system or philosophy you like and find someone to run it.

 

[SOpirate]

Plans are great but what we need is MONEY. Our alum generously contributed to our new Athletic Center, but to convince them to dip into their pockets again to pay for recruits who are receiving room, board and a free education is a much more difficult task. Any suggestions?

I’m sure they are trying their best, but It’s a results oriented business. Bottom line is Felt et al at the athletic department haven’t gotten the job done on the NIL front and that’s the main reason why we stink. What is the risk in bringing in new blood, with fresh voices and fresh perspectives to re-engage donors? How could things possibly get any worse?

 

[shu09]

You and I both thought Willard was a failure after his 3rd season, how did that turn out?

I've known Sha since he was 16, he's is one of us and deserves at least as much time as others.

Many will claim NIL and transfer portal makes this different and harder. It does. To me, it also means I care a lot less than I used to. Combined with who Sha is, this whole "sky-is-falling" mentality doesn't resonate with me.

Different time in college basketball, that was 12 years ago. Willard was able to adjust and figure it out eventually. Not sure Holloway can do that, he seems even more stubborn and set in his ways.

I think the fact that many of you either know Holloway and/or are close to him might not allow you to see the full picture. In my humble opinion, that leads to bias and giving him the benefit of the doubt as most humans do with those they know. That's fine, but it also leads to blind spots. Sometimes significant.

The situation today is definitely more difficult and not appealing at all. I also have a lot less interest than I used to. Most of that is because of the state of college basketball as a whole. Some of that is because of Holloway and his coaching style/program management. I did not renew my season tickets after his first season. There isn't much that he does that appeals to me.

 

[shu09]

he excels in winning in the ncaa tournament. something we haven't had since the 80s

what you meant is nobody has named one coach that would be a remotely better replacement.

Last time I checked, he is undefeated at SH in the NCAA Tournament! 0-0, but who's counting? Sure would be nice to make it again at some point........

 

[SHUSA]

Last time I checked, he is undefeated at SH in the NCAA Tournament! 0-0, but who's counting? Sure would be nice to make it again at some point........

just a slight edge in a FT contest behind where we were the last 10 years but it makes no sense to downplay what he did at st. peter's. it very much matters.

 

[nutterforthree]

You need money and/or an offensive system to attract players. Seton Hall has no offensive identity. Defense is more effort based. Offense is different.

He's not going anywhere but since he used the L'Ville gig for a raise, this offseason he needs to be heavily pressured into hiring someone to run his offense. Both are fair. For what he's paid the offense is not good enough. There's a big enough track record to show he is a mediocre offensive coach.

To me, Sha wants to be the program CEO while also micromanaging. It's very difficult to do both and be successful. Pick a system or philosophy you like and find someone to run it.

You make a really good point about an offensive system...... I think he is overrated as far as teaching defense, but everyone says he is great at it. our defense is pretty poor.

But offensively, it is terrible. If you want to stand out, then having a quick offensive system where players can increase their offensive output will allow them to consider the Hall as a springboard for a bigger payday - to play at the extremely slow pace we play at makes everyone play worse, which in turn lowers their market value.

 

[Piratz]

We'll see what happens. If he adjusts. His offense reflects kind of how he was as a player: Drive and get to the foul line, grab offensive rebounds. Whether SPU or The Hall he's not running an offense based on ball movement and outside shots. We were good offensively last year because we had the right talent: Two guys would could drive and score, a shooter, and a good post finisher for balance. We could never afford that starting-4 now.

He was all over the media early on, he at least needs to get back to that or open the door to reporters.

Either improve the money dramatically or alter style. And either way, get out of this 10-man thing.

 

[Piratz]

Different time in college basketball, that was 12 years ago. Willard was able to adjust and figure it out eventually. Not sure Holloway can do that, he seems even more stubborn and set in his ways.

I think the fact that many of you either know Holloway and/or are close to him might not allow you to see the full picture. In my humble opinion, that leads to bias and giving him the benefit of the doubt as most humans do with those they know. That's fine, but it also leads to blind spots. Sometimes significant.

The situation today is definitely more difficult and not appealing at all. I also have a lot less interest than I used to. Most of that is because of the state of college basketball as a whole. Some of that is because of Holloway and his coaching style/program management. I did not renew my season tickets after his first season. There isn't much that he does that appeals to me.

Willard also had a couple intervention-type situations, like hiring Morton and Antigua to sign top players and then then offseason in 2015 after that year imploded around the Sina mess, among other things.

If Sha is unaware of all that's gone wrong this year in approach then he'll need the same. Not only are we having our worst season in 40 years and performing amongst the worst in the country in key areas, he also seems to be having some personnel issues that we're seeing with players like Harmon and Toumi.

All coaches go through this at some point, we'll see.

 

[garyshu71]

Until Sha has the resources to put together a decent 8 core players I can only hope that he can perform minor miracles with the talent we can afford. No amount of bashing will change our lack of talent. Just money. And now the program is so unappealing it will take more money than it should to turn the heads of players we want. I’m sure Sha is not thrilled with this group anymore than we are. There was a reason no one got to see them practice. I need a miracle.

 

[sami]

Ludicrous to even compare the two: a first round upset compared to getting to the elite 8. Geez.

Common theme… neither had a thing to do with Seton Hall.

 

[Piratz]

Until Sha has the resources to put together a decent 8 core players I can only hope that he can perform minor miracles with the talent we can afford. No amount of bashing will change our lack of talent. Just money. And now the program is so unappealing it will take more money than it should to turn the heads of players we want. I’m sure Sha is not thrilled with this group anymore than we are. There was a reason no one got to see them practice. I need a miracle.

There's also a legit question posed this year about the talent assessment and putting the puzzle together. He's had some hits like Bediako and Dre Davis, I just wonder how we got so many wrong this year.

There are teams with money that aren't playing well too.

 

[HallLine69]

Willard also had a couple intervention-type situations, like hiring Morton and Antigua to sign top players and then then offseason in 2015 after that year imploded around the Sina mess, among other things.

If Sha is unaware of all that's gone wrong this year in approach then he'll need the same. Not only are we having our worst season in 40 years and performing amongst the worst in the country in key areas, he also seems to be having some personnel issues that we're seeing with players like Harmon and Toumi.

All coaches go through this at some point, we'll see.

Good points but in fairness the Harmon situation is apparently not coach-related.

 

[STLPirate12]

Small sample size out of a one bid league. Would love to see him get another crack to build on that success here. 0-2 in the Big East Tournament btw.

Bad coaches don't just luck into the elite 8 with a low major school...

 

[STLPirate12]

Seton Hall is very possibly the worst power conference team in the nation, and there is no ray of hope in sight. Why isn’t Felt, McBride, Lyons, anyone out front and center right now informing fans on what their plan is to right the ship?

This is the reason I do not have confidence in their ability to get the job done.

I've never understood this entitled view that fans should be given a sports organization's internal strategy/future plans. Why would they make that information public?

Anything you may have seen from another organization under that guise is 1 of 2 things - stating the obvious or a sales pitch designed to feel like inside information while really saying nothing of relevance.

 

[Piratz]

Good points but in fairness the Harmon situation is apparently not coach-related.

Yeah, idk. I think there were at lot of risk factors targeting Harmon. We chose the risk and got burnt. He had red flags going back to his original recruitment when Willard was here, when he ended up at Western Kentucky. He left WKU for similar reasons we're hearing at Seton Hall (Carino likened it to Taurean Thompson, which ironically was the recruitment that got Sha into trouble). Then Harmon ended up at Bethune Cookman which seemed to go well for two seasons.

In the preseason I was hoping we'd get some legit PG play out of the combo of Dual + Harmon, turns out we've basically got none. Dual is sporadic at best and hasn't even played 10 minutes in either of the last two games. Harmon could've had a golden opportunity here.

I wish the guy well in whatever he is battling, but nothing has gone well in how Sha built this roster. It's unfortunate and highly disappointing.

 

[SHUSA]

There's also a legit question posed this year about the talent assessment and putting the puzzle together. He's had some hits like Bediako and Dre Davis, I just wonder how we got so many wrong this year.

There are teams with money that aren't playing well too.

its clearly and overreaction to the NIL landscape and potentially having no guys remotely close to bediako or davis take us seriously. these players seem like an all in gamble. the gamble lost.

 

[SOpirate]

I've never understood this entitled view that fans should be given a sports organization's internal strategy/future plans. Why would they make that information public?

Anything you may have seen from another organization under that guise is 1 of 2 things - stating the obvious or a sales pitch designed to feel like inside information while really saying nothing of relevance.

Entitled? All we want is an indication that these guys possess some semblance of competence.

What risk is there of making plans public anyway? We are the worst power conference school in the nation financially. Who would possibly want to steal our plans?

 

[doctorcb12]

I've never understood this entitled view that fans should be given a sports organization's internal strategy/future plans. Why would they make that information public?

Anything you may have seen from another organization under that guise is 1 of 2 things - stating the obvious or a sales pitch designed to feel like inside information while really saying nothing of relevance.

A lot of schools have already sent out public emails to their fanbase letting fans know their plan regarding revenue sharing. The more fans are engaged the more they are willing to spend and come out to support. It also gets ahead of questions/criticism fans have. Schools are letting fans know their collectives are going away, NIL funding will be in house, and they are going to increase NIL funding by increasing ticket sales, food, etc. Not mindblowing things but keeps the average fan informed.

 

[SHUSA]

A lot of schools have already sent out public emails to their fanbase letting fans know their plan regarding revenue sharing. The more fans are engaged the more they are willing to spend and come out to support. It also gets ahead of questions/criticism fans have. Schools are letting fans know their collectives are going away, NIL funding will be in house, and they are going to increase NIL funding by increasing ticket sales, food, etc. Not mindblowing things but keeps the average fan informed.

our fans aren't being informed because our leaders havent figured out this is what you need to do.

 

[Fishjam]

Willard also had a couple intervention-type situations, like hiring Morton and Antigua to sign top players and then then offseason in 2015 after that year imploded around the Sina mess, among other things.

If Sha is unaware of all that's gone wrong this year in approach then he'll need the same. Not only are we having our worst season in 40 years and performing amongst the worst in the country in key areas, he also seems to be having some personnel issues that we're seeing with players like Harmon and Toumi.

All coaches go through this at some point, we'll see.

Sha and Willard are both stubborn but it took interventions after failures to make Willard change. Kevin had mentors and an AD who could make him see his shortcomings and give him constructive criticism. Plus he was in his 30s, still very much growing and finding who he was.

One of my biggest questions when Sha was hired was who are his mentors - the guys who he can call when things are bad and give him some sage council. Someone with experience and respect. And Sha is close to 50, will he be open to change?

The best coaches are always evolving and learn from failure. Failure can be a great teacher if you have a continuous improvement mindset. Let's hope this season is a stimulus for change for Sha and SH's entire leadership team.

 

[dehere23]

Sha and Willard are both stubborn but it took interventions after failures to make Willard change. Kevin had mentors and an AD who could make him see his shortcomings and give him constructive criticism. Plus he was in his 30s, still very much growing and finding who he was.

One of my biggest questions when Sha was hired was who are his mentors - the guys who he can call when things are bad and give him some sage council. Someone with experience and respect. And Sha is close to 50, will he be open to change?

The best coaches are always evolving and learn from failure. Failure can be a great teacher if you have a continuous improvement mindset. Let's hope this season is a stimulus for change for Sha and SH's entire leadership team.

Someone posted a while ago that Cooley is one of Sha’s mentors. Which if true is like hilarious for various reasons.

 

[Fishjam]

Entitled? All we want is an indication that these guys possess some semblance of competence.

What risk is there of making plans public anyway? We are the worst power conference school in the nation financially. Who would possibly want to steal our plans?

Our leaders tell us everything is great with our resources and NIL despite the obvious.

 

[STLPirate12]

A lot of schools have already sent out public emails to their fanbase letting fans know their plan regarding revenue sharing. The more fans are engaged the more they are willing to spend and come out to support. It also gets ahead of questions/criticism fans have. Schools are letting fans know their collectives are going away, NIL funding will be in house, and they are going to increase NIL funding by increasing ticket sales, food, etc. Not mindblowing things but keeps the average fan informed.

Okay so announcing operating decisions, hardly the inner workings of their NIL strategy. I expect those types of things will be announced when those decisions are made, probably closer to ticket renewals. Maybe I'm wrong on your but I'm going to guess that most schools who have already announced those decisions are football schools because they needed to be made in time for football renewals - and the same decisions will apply across the board including basketball.

 

[LBP43]

Sha and Willard are both stubborn but it took interventions after failures to make Willard change. Kevin had mentors and an AD who could make him see his shortcomings and give him constructive criticism. Plus he was in his 30s, still very much growing and finding who he was.

One of my biggest questions when Sha was hired was who are his mentors - the guys who he can call when things are bad and give him some sage council. Someone with experience and respect. And Sha is close to 50, will he be open to change?

The best coaches are always evolving and learn from failure. Failure can be a great teacher if you have a continuous improvement mindset. Let's hope this season is a stimulus for change for Sha and SH's entire leadership team.

Well stated Fishjam -- It is telling that Sha relies upon his Agent to negotiate for his contract yet tries to run everything without help in areas he has such little training. He obviously knows that he can get help in areas not his strength.
Lyons gave KW the wake-up call and KW listened . I do not believe there is anyone at SHU whom can "speak" to Sha.
As an aside , it is interesting that KW continues to evidence the ability to change. He has stated that it is little value to recruit Frosh; that analytics has changed his Offense views; his perception of turn -overs; his dealings with the Press. . Maybe Sha can take note

 

[hallwins]

Failure for one season can motivate change. The long term failure if the basketball program would be incredibly harmful to the school at every level.