Floor Generals
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Was only St. John's offering that amount? If he went to say Arkansas or Oregon, I don't think Seton Hall fans would be as upset. It's not the $$, it's the school he chose.
We did not play well in very hostile environments, generally speaking, last season. We got crushed at Uconn, destroyed at Creighton, thumped at Marquette when we were up by 12 in the first half. We did beat Indiana State in a hostile environment by 2. But if we had played them at the Prudential Center we would have beaten them by at least 15, in my opinion.
So St Johns had a packed Garden in their BET game against us. Were there 2000 only SHU fans there? And St. John's was out for blood after we humiliated then in Brooklyn, which was almost like a neutral floor.
I do believe St Johns improved a bit but not by much.
You might make every decision in life about money, but not everyone does. Leaving for your rival is a spineless coward move. Weak back, weak spine.
Rumor is he didn't leave for the best money deal so it wasn't all about money. Probably money, coaching, and close to home all factored in. That doesn't sound like all about the money. It just came from the rival.
I mean how is this any different than Danny Hurley coaching at rival UConn.
I'm not sure why some are having such a hard time grasping this fairly simple idea.
Because it happens all of the time in professional sports and this is now professional sports. Ohtani just did it.
He transferred from his alma mater to its rival university? How does he find the time to play major league baseball and go to college?
Pretty sad you have to narrow it down to at the college level. I guess the destination doesn't matter at the pro level. So I guess it's okay when kids from St. Joe's transfer to Bergen Catholic or Don Bosco? It's only bad at the college level.
Or how about this Hurley guy coach at one of his alma mater's rival universities? Guy could coach anywhere in the country.
Or he could coach at the best program in the country, which he does. He's a the top of his profession. And he didn't have to leave Seton Hall to do it.
The thing that makes this situation where the kid transferred from our university to our in-conference rival so stark is that there isn't an apt comparison for it.
Uconn was far from the best program when he took over. He could've made made a lot of other places best program in the country.
I think people need to check out the transfer portal in college football. It happens quite often. Guys going from Florida State to Miami, Oklahoma to Oklahoma State, etc.
Yes, and Richmond was a no show in that game. Dre also had a poor game. No doubt Rick is a good coach, and got a lot out of Jenkins.
13 and 9 is a no show? If that's a no show I'm glad we have nobody returning because a lot of guys had games worse than that consistently.
Go look at the stats of both teams scary similar.
Taylor 2-3 Bediako 3-4,
Ledlum and Richmond 3-10,
DAW and Jenkins 5-10,
Dingle 6-13 Dawes 9-15.
Soriano 5-7 Davis 3-10. advantage SJU but the rest are pretty even.
Seton Hall 8-22 from 3, St John's 8-23 from 3.
Bench edge SJU. That's not on KR
Difference was they owned the glass on us. and the charity stripe was 14-21 SHU, 19-20 St Johns. And KR was 7-8 from the line so he didn't kill us there.
Edit: If @shupat08 is liking my post, I really need to be spot on. That guy doesn't like my posts ever.
I loved Greene and his game, especially with the way he blossomed as a senior. But --shame on me-- whenever his name comes up my mind flashes back to that missed one-and-one when we were up by three. I hate that I go there, but I can't help it.
Baloney. And who says he is "making every decision in life" about money? Just one example...money had nothing to do with him leaving Syracuse for us. Is it annoying that he went to SJU? Hell yes. But spineless? Gimme a break. Way, way too judgemental.
ShuBall, have your daughter listen to Eddie Grant's Electric Avenue in the car. It will get everyone fired up! 🦆
If we can land an Ezra & Abass combo commitment maybe it will change my tune. Then I can rock down to Electric Avenue, and then will take it higher!, with our new 7-3 Center. Good God
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you’re completely viewing this wrong. You didn’t view your college experience as business. Today’s college athletes are in business. He made a business decision. So for you to expect these guys to have the same loyalty as you is just not going to happen because their experience is way different than yours. Yes he could’ve made money elsewhere but God forbid staying within a couple hours of home was important to him. Where else could he have gone Nova, RU, PC, Georgetown, Maryland? You’d have a problem with every one of those.
I'd be ok with Maryland. Don't transfer to a conference rival, it's that simple.
Kadary was clearly talking to them during our season. You're okay with him talking to a conference rival as we get bounced by them at the Big East Tourney? That seems like a scumbag move and serious conflict of interest. It takes the back stabbing to a whole new level.
Call it whatever you'd like but you didn't address a current player talking with our conference opponent in season. Shady much?
Shady sure but to think we’re not doing the same thing in the world of no rules is naive
Do you have any concrete examples of a conference player we've been trying to poach?
It looks like we had interest once he was in the portal. I asked if you have any concrete examples of tampering with a conference player in season like Kadary? People knew Kadary to St. Johns months ago.
They knew Kadary to St. John's months ago. Then why were they praising him all NIT? Crazy
To think nobody knew Posh was leaving Butler before he went into the portal is naive. And in today's world of no rules I'm guessing many schools reached out before he was in the portal. I'm not going to think we played it by the book when likely nobody else did. A true homer fan. I'm sure you have yourself convinced Sha did nothing wrong with the TT phone calls.
Sha violated the rules with TT and we were punished accordingly.
There were no rumors about Posh and SHU until he was in the portal. There were plenty of rumors about Kadary and St. Johns months ago.
Also, did I miss that Posh on our roster?
I know you can talk in circles all day, but IMO Kadary stabbed SHU in the back.
And there are no rules today so SJU violated no rules.
LMAO you go in circles so I have to go in circles with the conversation. So now it's ok to go after conference players if you don't land them? You're just being a cry baby. There will be a day SHU has a bigger pot and we will take players from conference rivals. My guess is you'll be thrilled to have what you now call "backstabbers" in South Orange.
We would have to be naive to think there is zero tampering prior to the portal opening. Players commit that day or within a week. Do we think it’s as simple as a few phone calls that make it happen that quickly?
Middleton happened pretty quickly…just sayin.
Tampering is a violation of NCAA rules. The ability to enforce the rule is another matter.
You're the queen of hypothetical scenarios. Talk to me when we poach a 1st team all conference player from a rival and I'll be happy to address that scenario.
Until then, Richmond and Pitino is a match made in heaven of questionable ethics.
Middleton entered the portal on April 1 and committed on April 24. That seems longer than most sought after players take to commit.
