Florida running out of ICU beds

[NYShoreGuy]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-intensive-care-units-run-out-beds/

They did this to themselves and had models to look at from other states like NJ and NY and they were reckless

 

[HALL85]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-intensive-care-units-run-out-beds/

They did this to themselves and had models to look at from other states like NJ and NY and they were reckless

So that represents less than 15% of the total number of hospitals in Florida that are at ICU capacity much of which is concentrated in Broward and Dade counties. Not trying to minimize the situation to say the problem is state wide is a bit disingenuous.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

So that represents less than 15% of the total number of hospitals in Florida that are at ICU capacity much of which is concentrated in Broward and Dade counties. Not trying to minimize the situation to say the problem is state wide is a bit disingenuous.

Was NY a statewide scenario? No it happened to be within NYC LI and the closest suburban areas north of NYC which is the most populated in the country

 

[SPK145]

Was NY a statewide scenario? No it happened to be within NYC LI and the closest suburban areas north of NYC which is the most populated in the country

Which is why most of these headlines are, as shu09 so aptly puts it, "panic porn."

 

[HALL85]

Which is why most of these headlines are, as shu09 so aptly puts it, "panic porn."

This...

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Which is why most of these headlines are, as shu09 so aptly puts it, "panic porn."

I thought that is what you watch when thinking of liz wheeler

 

[SPK145]

I thought that is what you watch when thinking of liz wheeler

There's no "panic" there.

 

[Merge]

Which is why most of these headlines are, as shu09 so aptly puts it, "panic porn."

When they first started reporting the number of current Covid hospitalizations on July 13th, they were at 8,051 current Covid hospitalizations. Yesterday that increased to 9,363. A 16% increase in 6 days.

In all seriousness, how do we get people in Florida (and Texas, Georgia, Arizona, California.. etc) to take the virus more seriously?

If there is no change in in public perception, these trends will not be sustainable for their healthcare systems.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

When they first started reporting the number of current Covid hospitalizations on July 13th, they were at 8,051 current Covid hospitalizations. Yesterday that increased to 9,363. A 16% increase in 6 days.

In all seriousness, how do we get people in Florida (and Texas, Georgia, Arizona, California.. etc) to take the virus more seriously?

If there is no change in in public perception, these trends will not be sustainable for their healthcare systems.

They dont care they are pursuing their civil liberties

 

[seton1996]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-intensive-care-units-run-out-beds/

They did this to themselves and had models to look at from other states like NJ and NY and they were reckless

I am not following Florida closely, but have they been doing similar things that were done in NYC/NJ as beds filled up? Converting other hospital wards, unused hospitals, pop up hospitals, Navy ships? All those things help both with overall beds, as well as ICU beds.

 

[SPK145]

In all seriousness, how do we get people in Florida (and Texas, Georgia, Arizona, California.. etc) to take the virus more seriously?

It's very difficult to do. It's a function of all the dysfunction that has plagued this country for years now. Everyone/everything is so divisive. Everyone is a hyphenated American, the cancel culture for some but not for all, black lives matter, blue lives matter, all live matter, the hypocritical leadership in this country, the repubs with Clinton, the dems with Bush, the repubs with Obama, the dems with Trump, etc. It's all part and parcel of it. I could go on.

Wear a mask indoors if you in public; wear mask outdoors if you are around a crowd.

GA and CA are under no stress though.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

There's no "panic" there.

Here is liz hurley more in your age range

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/elizabeth-hurley-topless-photo-while-enjoying-country-life

 

[donnie_baseball]

I've taken a few days off from the COVID coverage, it's been nice. I hear a lot of screaming that the leadership from the top has been lacking (can't disagree). Also hearing that the majority of new cases are twenty- and thirty-somethings, or at least they were at the heart of the surge, with bars, restaurants, and beaches being open -- but not protests, protesters are immune. But I digress. If the large majority of those scoffing at the recommendations are 20s-30s (see Donovan's Reef, D'Jais, etc., for examples closer to home), why would they be listening to, voting for, or caring what Trump has to say? @NYShoreGuy - serious question.

 

[HALL85]

[QUOTE="Merge, post: 732626, member: 212"
In all seriousness, how do we get people in Florida (and Texas, Georgia, Arizona, California.. etc) to take the virus more seriously?

If there is no change in in public perception, these trends will not be sustainable for their healthcare systems.[/QUOTE]Why limit to those states. Just got back from a long weekend in Bridgehampton and virtually no one under the age of 30 wearing a mask.

 

[SPK145]

Here is liz hurley more in your age range

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/elizabeth-hurley-topless-photo-while-enjoying-country-life

No issues there.

 

[Merge]

[QUOTE="Merge, post: 732626, member: 212"
In all seriousness, how do we get people in Florida (and Texas, Georgia, Arizona, California.. etc) to take the virus more seriously?

If there is no change in in public perception, these trends will not be sustainable for their healthcare systems.

Why limit to those states. Just got back from a long weekend in Bridgehampton and virtually no one under the age of 30 wearing a mask.[/QUOTE]

Not limited to them, but that is where the virus seems to be spreading fairly rapidly.

I would say the same about NY and NJ if we start seeing our rate of positive test results increase.

 

[Merge]

I've taken a few days off from the COVID coverage, it's been nice. I hear a lot of screaming that the leadership from the top has been lacking (can't disagree). Also hearing that the majority of new cases are twenty- and thirty-somethings, or at least they were at the heart of the surge, with bars, restaurants, and beaches being open -- but not protests, protesters are immune. But I digress. If the large majority of those scoffing at the recommendations are 20s-30s (see Donovan's Reef, D'Jais, etc., for examples closer to home), why would they be listening to, voting for, or caring what Trump has to say? @NYShoreGuy - serious question.

I think it is a fair point.
Maybe those people would just say Trump is full of shit and would ignore him even if he was saying the right things that a president should be saying...

That's a nice thought experiment which I wish we could test once.

 

[HALL85]

Why limit to those states. Just got back from a long weekend in Bridgehampton and virtually no one under the age of 30 wearing a mask.

Not limited to them, but that is where the virus seems to be spreading fairly rapidly.

I would say the same about NY and NJ if we start seeing our rate of positive test results increase.[/QUOTE]
Which begs the question that is there a direct relationship between mask wearing and COVID spread or maybe spread results more aggressively from other means.

 

[SHUSA]

It's very difficult to do. It's a function of all the dysfunction that has plagued this country for years now. Everyone/everything is so divisive. Everyone is a hyphenated American, the cancel culture for some but not for all, black lives matter, blue lives matter, all live matter, the hypocritical leadership in this country, the repubs with Clinton, the dems with Bush, the repubs with Obama, the dems with Trump, etc. It's all part and parcel of it. I could go on.

Wear a mask indoors if you in public; wear mask outdoors if you are around a crowd.

GA and CA are under no stress though.

and since the 1830s its all been a distraction for the real issue: elites vs everyone else

 

[Merge]

Which begs the question that is there a direct relationship between mask wearing and COVID spread or maybe spread results more aggressively from other means.

Directly correlation. Wearing a mask reduces the spread of the virus.

https://www.popsci.com/story/health/covid-masks-how-effective/

That has been the conclusion on pretty much every study I have seen.

Not at important here currently because the number of infected people is lower than it is in other states.

https://covid19-projections.com/

That site estimates that there are currently 56,000 (.29% of the population) infected in New York and 900,000 (4.2% of the population) currently infected in Florida.

There is less of a risk of transmission in New York than in Florida.
If people in New York get too relaxed with it, that could change.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Just got back from a long weekend in Bridgehampton and virtually no one under the age of 30 wearing a mask.

Should have gone to the north fork.

 

[shu09]

Why is California shutting down again if masks reduce spread? Masks have been required there for months.

The virus will work its way through, as it did here. In 6-8 weeks, Florida, Texas, Arizona will all come back down to lower levels of case counts whether they wear masks or not.

 

[HALL85]

Should have gone to the north fork.

That was me...lol

 

[Merge]

Why is California shutting down again if masks reduce spread? Masks have been required there for months.

A rule =/= compliance with that rule.

Parts of California did not take it seriously enough, stopped wearing masks and it started to spread again.

The virus will work its way through, as it did here.

Start a fire in a Forrest. Does it have to work it's way through, or can you take efforts to reduce the spread? It is the same theory.

It only stopped spreading in NJ and NY because we took it seriously and did not give the virus the opportunity to spread.

The virus was in Florida months ago but the spread was low because they were shut down. As they reopened, the virus had the opportunity to spread.

In 6-8 weeks, Florida, Texas, Arizona will all come back down to lower levels of case counts whether they wear masks or not.

If they don't change behaviors, the virus will not stop spreading until it has reached more than half the state.

Your timeline may be correct, but it will only be if they change behaviors.

 

[HALL85]

A rule =/= compliance with that rule.

Parts of California did not take it seriously enough, stopped wearing masks and it started to spread again.



Start a fire in a Forrest. Does it have to work it's way through, or can you take efforts to reduce the spread? It is the same theory.

It only stopped spreading in NJ and NY because we took it seriously and did not give the virus the opportunity to spread.

The virus was in Florida months ago but the spread was low because they were shut down. As they reopened, the virus had the opportunity to spread.



If they don't change behaviors, the virus will not stop spreading until it has reached more than half the state.

Your timeline may be correct, but it will only be if they change behaviors.

Merge, there is no data to support the people in one state "took it more seriously" than others. That's an opinion on your part.