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Originally posted by Merge:
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:
Originally posted by donnie_baseball:
08-
If you're a Catholic, please don't speak for the rest of us. Hubris is one of the seven deadly sins, and it's pretty prideful to assume the role of judge.

I am not a Catholic. And what does pride have to do with anything? I didnt say this, the Bible which is the unfallible Word of God said it. Dont shoot the messenger. And you all can say its not your God, and thats absolutely true. But you will still answer to Him one day because He is the only God.


If you ever know someone that was gay, you would understand that it is not their choice. They are born that way. Representative Steve Simon from Minnesota put it pretty well recently "How Many more Gay people does God have to create before we ask ourselves, whether or not God actually wants them around?"

There are so many outrageous bible quotes, most priests I have met acknowledge that the bible is not close to infallible, and the best priests I have met privately say it is a guidebook for unconditionally loving people not to be taken literally.

Wrong. Thats what current media etc want you to think because if they can make you think they were born that way, then nobody can tell them to change. The truth is, the entire reason homosexuality is unacceptable to God is because in doing so, you violate His divine design. Im glad Im on God's side instead of popular culture.
 
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:
Originally posted by SHUSource:
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:


I didnt say this, the Bible which is the unfallible Word of God said it. Dont shoot the messenger. And you all can say its not your God, and thats absolutely true. But you will still answer to Him one day because He is the only God.
Well, I'm not gay, but I have eaten plenty of pork and shellfish, which are also forbidden by "the infallible words of God," per your reasoning.

Now, how am I supposed to explain to God that I was no match for the temptation posed by shrimp scampi or Taylor ham? That's my problem, though, just like Will Sheridan has his, I guess. In any case, none of it should be any concern of yours.

LOL taylor ham and shelfish? Have you actually READ the Bible? Actually scratch that question, I know plenty of people who have read it multiple times but yet are still as blind as the day they started. You are right though that it is not my concern, and indeed I am not one bit concerned about Will Sheridan. Just stating the accurate fact that he is living a sinful Biblically unacceptable lifestyle and he will answer for it one day.

Oh, and btw if your going to priests for answers, its not surprising to me you are confused. Go to the Word.
 
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:
Originally posted by Merge:
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:
Originally posted by donnie_baseball:
08-
If you're a Catholic, please don't speak for the rest of us. Hubris is one of the seven deadly sins, and it's pretty prideful to assume the role of judge.

I am not a Catholic. And what does pride have to do with anything? I didnt say this, the Bible which is the unfallible Word of God said it. Dont shoot the messenger. And you all can say its not your God, and thats absolutely true. But you will still answer to Him one day because He is the only God.


If you ever know someone that was gay, you would understand that it is not their choice. They are born that way. Representative Steve Simon from Minnesota put it pretty well recently "How Many more Gay people does God have to create before we ask ourselves, whether or not God actually wants them around?"

There are so many outrageous bible quotes, most priests I have met acknowledge that the bible is not close to infallible, and the best priests I have met privately say it is a guidebook for unconditionally loving people not to be taken literally.

Wrong. Thats what current media etc want you to think because if they can make you think they were born that way, then nobody can tell them to change. The truth is, the entire reason homosexuality is unacceptable to God is because in doing so, you violate His divine design. Im glad Im on God's side instead of popular culture.

This conversation should move to the other board but what you just said is complete crap.

This has NOTHING to do with media, this has to do with the many gay friends I have had throughout my life. None of them would have chosen to be gay. They struggled growing up, they were not accepted by society nor their families. That is not a life someone chooses.

The divine design argument is also wrong otherwise God would never create a human that lacks the ability to procreate. Yes... people are born that way too.
 
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:

Originally posted by Merge:

Originally posted by SHUPirate08:

Originally posted by donnie_baseball:
08-
If you're a Catholic, please don't speak for the rest of us. Hubris is one of the seven deadly sins, and it's pretty prideful to assume the role of judge.

I am not a Catholic. And what does pride have to do with anything? I didnt say this, the Bible which is the unfallible Word of God said it. Dont shoot the messenger. And you all can say its not your God, and thats absolutely true. But you will still answer to Him one day because He is the only God.


If you ever know someone that was gay, you would understand that it is not their choice. They are born that way. Representative Steve Simon from Minnesota put it pretty well recently "How Many more Gay people does God have to create before we ask ourselves, whether or not God actually wants them around?"

There are so many outrageous bible quotes, most priests I have met acknowledge that the bible is not close to infallible, and the best priests I have met privately say it is a guidebook for unconditionally loving people not to be taken literally.

Wrong. Thats what current media etc want you to think because if they can make you think they were born that way, then nobody can tell them to change. The truth is, the entire reason homosexuality is unacceptable to God is because in doing so, you violate His divine design. Im glad Im on God's side instead of popular culture.

Blaming the media? Are you serious? You have some really strange ideas. People are born that way. Period.
 
This has all gotten way too involved for me.

My god is not in church because my god is everywhere.

My god doesn’t care if you are white, black, brown, yellow, purple, green, or some combination thereof.

My god doesn’t care if you are heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or asexual.

My god doesn’t care what two or more consenting adults do.

My god doesn’t define marriage; loving people do.

My god doesn’t care what you do so long as you don’t hurt any innocent life or property.

My god says you are responsible for your own life and the choices you make.

My god values honesty, integrity, and decency.

My god is tired of special interest groups running around saying “look at me.” Your business is your business, keep it there. You are owed nothing.

My god says there is no such thing as a hate crime, all similar crimes are equal, moral relativity does not exist.

My god doesn’t care about silly games, he doesn’t pick sides, and he doesn’t root for either team.

My god adheres to the ten commandments. Not because they are in the bible but because they are moral and ethical.

My god abhors sins and sinners.

My god says everyone deserves a second chance. My god says fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

My god says if you are lonely or need a helping hand, call me up.
 
This needs to be moved to Life off the Ship please. Not sure why folks keep responding to this nutburger.
 
Originally posted by SPK145:
This has all gotten way too involved for me.

My god is not in church because my god is everywhere.

My god doesn’t care if you are white, black, brown, yellow, purple, green, or some combination thereof.

My god doesn’t care if you are heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or asexual.

My god doesn’t care what two or more consenting adults do.

My god doesn’t define marriage; loving people do.

My god doesn’t care what you do so long as you don’t hurt any innocent life or property.

My god says you are responsible for your own life and the choices you make.

My god values honesty, integrity, and decency.

My god is tired of special interest groups running around saying “look at me.” Your business is your business, keep it there. You are owed nothing.

My god says there is no such thing as a hate crime, all similar crimes are equal, moral relativity does not exist.

My god doesn’t care about silly games, he doesn’t pick sides, and he doesn’t root for either team.

My god adheres to the ten commandments. Not because they are in the bible but because they are moral and ethical.

My god abhors sins and sinners.

My god says everyone deserves a second chance. My god says fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

My god says if you are lonely or need a helping hand, call me up.

You have made up your own God then the way you have mixed in your opinions of what you wish God was with some true things. Good luck with that. I hope your god can save you when this life is over. If you want to debate Bible, we can do that. But once you go out of the realm of scripture and into your imaginations of what you would like God to be, then it is no longer a conversation based in reality. All I have said is what is blatantly obvious in the Bible. If you dont believe in the Bible, then fine, I understand why you do not agree with what I said. SPK, i admire you taking the time to detail all those things you believe god is. However, knowing God myself and knowing His Word and how many of the things you said directly contradict God's Word, I cannot agree with you.
 
This is as stupid a thread as they come. I come here for some valuable info on hoops and I see a gay fight. Anyhow, let him do what he wants to do but theres no need to promote it. It was stupid of ESPN to put it on there and it's stupid for any newspaper to carry stories about gay's coming out.

Can't wait for my 15 minutes of fame to announce that I am straight.
 
Originally posted by Merge:
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:
Originally posted by Merge:
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:
Originally posted by donnie_baseball:
08-
If you're a Catholic, please don't speak for the rest of us. Hubris is one of the seven deadly sins, and it's pretty prideful to assume the role of judge.

I am not a Catholic. And what does pride have to do with anything? I didnt say this, the Bible which is the unfallible Word of God said it. Dont shoot the messenger. And you all can say its not your God, and thats absolutely true. But you will still answer to Him one day because He is the only God.


If you ever know someone that was gay, you would understand that it is not their choice. They are born that way. Representative Steve Simon from Minnesota put it pretty well recently "How Many more Gay people does God have to create before we ask ourselves, whether or not God actually wants them around?"

There are so many outrageous bible quotes, most priests I have met acknowledge that the bible is not close to infallible, and the best priests I have met privately say it is a guidebook for unconditionally loving people not to be taken literally.

Wrong. Thats what current media etc want you to think because if they can make you think they were born that way, then nobody can tell them to change. The truth is, the entire reason homosexuality is unacceptable to God is because in doing so, you violate His divine design. Im glad Im on God's side instead of popular culture.

This conversation should move to the other board but what you just said is complete crap.

This has NOTHING to do with media, this has to do with the many gay friends I have had throughout my life. None of them would have chosen to be gay. They struggled growing up, they were not accepted by society nor their families. That is not a life someone chooses.

The divine design argument is also wrong otherwise God would never create a human that lacks the ability to procreate. Yes... people are born that way too.

People are born with the ability to choose whether or not to follow down that path just as they have the choice to give in to ANY sin. Some people have predispositions to homosexuality based on environmental pressures or circumstances. You are a product of your environment. Thats why so many people turn to homosexuality after being abused, molested, raped, and disappointed. The devil may tempt different people differently, and place different pressures on different people. Thats why some people become drunks, while some are not tempted by alcohol but rather become strung out on drugs. Many times during youth the devil will float homosexual thoughts in your mind. No thought can hurt you until you accept and/or believe and embrace it. It is the power of choice. It is what separates us from animals. It is part of our god-like nature. We are created in His likeness. The power of choice is a god quality.
 
Originally posted by Section112:
This needs to be moved to Life off the Ship please. Not sure why folks keep responding to this nutburger.

Thats fine, call me whatever. Dont mind me if I take God's opinion toward homosexuality instead of yours.
 
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:
But once you go out of the realm of scripture and into your imaginations of what you would like God to be, then it is no longer a conversation based in reality.
Which one are you, the pot or the kettle? All religion/the bible is based on a belief system, not rooted in reality. That's the beauty of religion, BELIEVE whatever you want or don't BELIEVE anything. And leave everyone else out of it.

I have to answer to my god everyday.
 
With the way this conversation has shifted, I think it is time for this thread needs to either be moved to Life off the Ship board or locked down.
 
Originally posted by SPK145:
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:
But once you go out of the realm of scripture and into your imaginations of what you would like God to be, then it is no longer a conversation based in reality.
Which one are you, the pot or the kettle? All religion/the bible is based on a belief system, not rooted in reality. That's the beauty of religion, BELIEVE whatever you want or don't BELIEVE anything. And leave everyone else out of it.

I have to answer to my god everyday.

Believe whatever you want?? Ok so then your admitting you dont believe in the Bible then right? Because if you choose to believe in the Bible, you lose the freedom to believe "whatever you want". If your going to call yourself a Christian, you must of necessity believe in the writings of the Bible. That is what MAKES you a Christian. Just as believing the writings of Buddha makes you a Buddhist. And btw the Bible IS reality. There is only one reality. And many versions of it, but only one truth. But thats a different conversation. If you say your not a Christian, then hey fine cool I understand why we disagree on this issue. But you should also understand why I cannot agree that homosexuality is okay, when the Bible blatantly says those who practice it have no part in the Kingdom of God. If your gonna be real, you have to be real all the way. Nobody even appreciates or respects someone for being real anymore or standing for something. Everything is moral relativism. No wonder our society has gone into the toilet and continues the rapid downward spiral seemingly daily.
 
Originally posted by ShuVol:
With the way this conversation has shifted, I think it is time for this thread needs to either be moved to Life off the Ship board or locked down.

agreed. should have been there to start with.
 
It is not a choice! Gay people are born gay just as you are born straight. Every person's brain is wired differently.
 
You're saying some pretty extreme things. Do you also believe this Saturday is judgment day?
 
I took this discussion to "Life of the Ship" please feel free to join in...
 
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:

Originally posted by SPK145:

Originally posted by SHUPirate08:
But once you go out of the realm of scripture and into your imaginations of what you would like God to be, then it is no longer a conversation based in reality.
Which one are you, the pot or the kettle? All religion/the bible is based on a belief system, not rooted in reality. That's the beauty of religion, BELIEVE whatever you want or don't BELIEVE anything. And leave everyone else out of it.

I have to answer to my god everyday.

Believe whatever you want?? Ok so then your admitting you dont believe in the Bible then right? Because if you choose to believe in the Bible, you lose the freedom to believe "whatever you want". If your going to call yourself a Christian, you must of necessity believe in the writings of the Bible. That is what MAKES you a Christian. Just as believing the writings of Buddha makes you a Buddhist. And btw the Bible IS reality. There is only one reality. And many versions of it, but only one truth. But thats a different conversation. If you say your not a Christian, then hey fine cool I understand why we disagree on this issue. But you should also understand why I cannot agree that homosexuality is okay, when the Bible blatantly says those who practice it have no part in the Kingdom of God. If your gonna be real, you have to be real all the way. Nobody even appreciates or respects someone for being real anymore or standing for something. Everything is moral relativism. No wonder our society has gone into the toilet and continues the rapid downward spiral seemingly daily.

As you said the Bible is reality. And you are right in Leviticus it does state that homosexuality is an abomination, however as you critize others I wonder if you actually read the entire bible instead of focusing in on just that.

In Exodus 21:7 selling my youngest daughter into slavery is sanctioned, does that make it reality?
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Exodus 35:2 states you should be put to death for working on the Sabbath, does that make it reality?

In Leviticus 11:7 state touching skin of a dead pig makes you unclean, does that make it reality?
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I'll leave you with one last verse John 8:7 'Let Him Who Is Without Sin Cast the First Stone'
This post was edited on 5/18 1:18 PM by SHUHobbit09
 
Originally posted by SHUPirate08:

But you should also understand why I cannot agree that homosexuality is okay, when the Bible blatantly says those who practice it have no part in the Kingdom of God. If your gonna be real, you have to be real all the way.
To return to my earlier example, then, I will assume you will not eat scallops scampi, or have a Taylor ham sandwich, since the same Bible expressly forbids the consumption of shellfish and pork, correct? If I have a ham sandich, is there no room in the kingdom of God for me?

Of course, you have every right to view the world through the lens you have chosen, but I have to say that I've grown a little weary of people using the Bible - the record of my religion - as a crutch for their own hate. Homesexuality may have been scientifically incongruous with the propagation of the faith when Leviticus was authored, but the intellecutal component of religion has evolved well beyond condemning as evil something that simply doesn't advance its interest.

In the same way, once we learned that pork and shellfish need to be thoroughly cooked, they too became much less the threat they posed to the primitive culture that banned them.
This post was edited on 5/23 1:16 PM by SHUSource
 
Originally posted by Bobbie Solo:
sweet, another looney fundamentalist on the board! open-minded and modern thinking be damned!

What is life like in the year 1650?

For once, you've applied the term "fundamentalist" appropriately. Congratulations. For the record, and Source mentioned it, Catholics are not fundamentalist; the term implies taking all of the Bible literally.
 
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