Georgia runoff

[donnie_baseball]

This is embarrassing. I hope they come out of the woodwork to vote in Georgia and deliver a resounding "no thanks" to these carpetbaggers.
80% of the funding for the Democratic candidates came from out of state! It's a problem.

California residents flock to Georgia to help Democrats in Senate run-offs

If the Democrats capture both seats, the Senate would have 50 Democrats and 50 Republicans with Vice President-elect Kamala Harris casting votes to break ties.

nypost.com

 

[Merge]

That will not be unique to one side. There will be a absurd amount of money and volunteers pouring in from all over the country to influence that election.

 

[donnie_baseball]

That will not be unique to one side. There will be a absurd amount of money and volunteers pouring in from all over the country to influence that election.

Probably; and all disgusting, IMHO.
Luckily, the Reverend has made enough outlandish remarks over the years, and Trump has lost, I am hoping for some balance between the executive and legislative branches.

 

[Merge]

Probably; and all disgusting, IMHO.
Luckily, the Reverend has made enough outlandish remarks over the years, and Trump has lost, I am hoping for some balance between the executive and legislative branches.

Tend to agree overall. I do like Ossoff a lot but know little about the others.

I don't think it benefits dems that much to get to 50. Manchin has already said he would block anything egregious, and it also gives republicans an opportunity to just oppose everything and let whatever Manchin doesn't block pass at 50-50 with Harris casting the final vote. They can campaign on more of the "shoving this down our throats" stuff for 2022.

Better for the parties to have incentive to work together.

 

[SPK145]

Lindsey Graham is pumping money into this travesty as well.

 

[ed odowd]

The Reverend is insuring Republicans will win at least one race and actually highly probable they win both.As his hero Reverend Wright said the chickens are coming home to roost in Georgia.For the next 2 months Georgia will be on our minds.This actually takes Biden off the hook with the progressives who are already unhappy with some of his appointments.

 

[cernjSHU]

This is embarrassing. I hope they come out of the woodwork to vote in Georgia and deliver a resounding "no thanks" to these carpetbaggers.
80% of the funding for the Democratic candidates came from out of state! It's a problem.

California residents flock to Georgia to help Democrats in Senate run-offs

If the Democrats capture both seats, the Senate would have 50 Democrats and 50 Republicans with Vice President-elect Kamala Harris casting votes to break ties.

nypost.com

This has been happening for decades by both parties. How much money has the Koch brothers poured into states? (although they did not support Trump) Nothing new in competitive races. I don't know of the reverend's outlandish statements. I know there is much ado about him being friends with Reverend Wright. But, that is not a big deal at all. I don't know much about these candidates.

But, what I do predict is this. Once Biden becomes President, Republicans suddenly will care about the National debt after spending like drunken sailors during the Trump Presidency and running up massive debt during "the best economy in history."

 

[Section112]

I'm sure Bloomberg and Soros will be making huge donations to the Dem candidates too. All of this from both parties and we still have poor and starving among our population. What a waste.

And Cernj there seem to be no real budget hawks anymore on either side of aisle. They all just want to spend our money like crazy and get reelected. That is the definition of a politician. Politicians that make the hard decisions don't usually get reelected unfortunately.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Only people who voted in November should be allowed to vote in a run off.

 

[Merge]

Only people who voted in November should be allowed to vote in a run off.

That's an odd one. It's an election like any other.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Only people who voted in November should be allowed to vote in a run off.

Typically we would have folks here that would endorse this

 

[Seton75]

Out of state funding for pols is odd and embarassing? Isnt that the way it is? Doesnt the NRA target people or races, dont lib equivalents to the same, and hasnt it been this way for decades?

 

[Merge]

Out of state funding for pols is odd and embarassing? Isnt that the way it is? Doesnt the NRA target people or races, dont lib equivalents to the same, and hasnt it been this way for decades?

It has and frankly, republicans have been much better at it. Dems are playing catch up at this point.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

That's an odd one. It's an election like any other.

Not really. It’s a run off because neither got 50% on Election Day. This is like going into overtime and now you can bring in reinforcements who didn’t play the game in regulation.

 

[Merge]

Not really. It’s a run off because neither got 50% on Election Day. This is like going into overtime and now you can bring in reinforcements who didn’t play the game in regulation.

Not sure I would call them "reinforcements". These are residents of Georgia and if they want to have a say today more than they did a couple weeks ago, that is fine. If they just became eligible, that's fine too.

Maybe there are a lot of conservatives in the state who were turned off by Trump, assumed dems would take control of the senate and didn't vote but now prefer republicans hold the senate. Those people should be allowed a voice like any other registered voter. I expect R's will win both.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Not sure I would call them "reinforcements". These are residents of Georgia and if they want to have a say today more than they did a couple weeks ago, that is fine. If they just became eligible, that's fine too.

Maybe there are a lot of conservatives in the state who were turned off by Trump, assumed dems would take control of the senate and didn't vote but now prefer republicans hold the senate. Those people should be allowed a voice like any other registered voter. I expect R's will win both.

We’re talking about people who were ineligible to vote in Georgia 2 weeks ago because they had residence in another state moving in just to vote. I have no problem if 10 million more legit Georgia liberals or conservatives come out for the election, but people who had residence in other states for the original election should not allowed to vote. Those people were ineligible to vote in the original Georgia election and should be ineligible for this one. To be honest I wouldn’t want people coming into NJ just to vote then moving back to their home state. It would take away from what real NJ citizens want.

 

[Merge]

We’re talking about people who were ineligible to vote in Georgia 2 weeks ago because they had residence in another state moving in just to vote. I have no problem if 10 million more legit Georgia liberals or conservatives come out for the election, but people who had residence in other states for the original election should not allowed to vote. Those people were ineligible to vote in the original Georgia election and should be ineligible for this one. To be honest I wouldn’t want people coming into NJ just to vote then moving back to their home state. It would take away from what real NJ citizens want.

You really think that is happening at any kind of rate enough to sway an election? Those people would need to move to Georgia, prove residency at the Georgia DMV with an ID and a utility bill, and then after they get their ID, they can register to vote.

I think you can rest easy if that was your fear. People aren't heading there from out of state to vote. They are heading their to get others to vote.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

You really think that is happening at any kind of rate enough to sway an election? Those people would need to move to Georgia, prove residency at the Georgia DMV with an ID and a utility bill, and then after they get their ID, they can register to vote.

I think you can rest easy if that was your fear. People aren't heading there from out of state to vote. They are heading their to get others to vote.

Georgia state attorney general addressed it recently. To think people won’t try it is naive.

 

[Merge]

Georgia state attorney general addressed it recently. To think people won’t try it is naive.

Basically responding to internet rumors which started because Andrew Yang announced he was moving to Georgia to help with the election efforts. Rumors circulated from there even though he wasn't moving there to vote, but to work.

You're talking about Democrats needing tens of thousands of people to move there, get an apartment, wait a month for a utility bill, go to the DMV to get an ID and then and register to vote. That's just not going to happen.

Will some people do that? Probably, but likely closer to 10 than the tens of thousands they would need to make an impact. They will however try to get non-voters to vote and they will try to register people who have turned 18 recently.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Basically responding to internet rumors which started because Andrew Yang announced he was moving to Georgia to help with the election efforts. Rumors circulated from there even though he wasn't moving there to vote, but to work.

You're talking about Democrats needing tens of thousands of people to move there, get an apartment, wait a month for a utility bill, go to the DMV to get an ID and then and register to vote. That's just not going to happen.

Will some people do that? Probably, but likely closer to 10 than the tens of thousands they would need to make an impact. They will however try to get non-voters to vote and they will try to register people who have turned 18 recently.

You get enough out of state college students who have those utility bills already, it can be done easily. College students who voted in their home state for the election shouldn’t be allowed to vote in Georgia now. Georgia and Georgia Tech probably combine for 10k out of state students. Nobody should be allowed to vote for senate in multiple states.

 

[Merge]

You get enough out of state college students who have those utility bills already, it can be done easily. College students who voted in their home state for the election shouldn’t be allowed to vote in Georgia now. Georgia and Georgia Tech probably combine for 10k out of state students. Nobody should be allowed to vote for senate in multiple states.

Ok, I will concede that one.
That is theoretically possible and appears to also be completely legal.

 

[shu09]

Rooting for Perdue and Warnock. Kelly Loeffler has no business being a US senator and we need the GOP to maintain control of the Senate to act as a check on Biden and the House.

 

[Hallsome]

You really think that is happening at any kind of rate enough to sway an election? Those people would need to move to Georgia, prove residency at the Georgia DMV with an ID and a utility bill, and then after they get their ID, they can register to vote.

I think you can rest easy if that was your fear. People aren't heading there from out of state to vote. They are heading their to get others to vote.

I’m not saying I doubt you. But could you kindly show where in the law a utility bill is required to show residency? Thanks

 

[donnie_baseball]

You really think that is happening at any kind of rate enough to sway an election? Those people would need to move to Georgia, prove residency at the Georgia DMV with an ID and a utility bill, and then after they get their ID, they can register to vote.

I think you can rest easy if that was your fear. People aren't heading there from out of state to vote. They are heading their to get others to vote.

ACORN and MoveOn are expert at expediting exactly that.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Out of state funding for pols is odd and embarassing? Isnt that the way it is? Doesnt the NRA target people or races, dont lib equivalents to the same, and hasnt it been this way for decades?

I never said it was odd, but it's pretty repulsive when 80% of the funding for a candidate(s) comes from out of state, to help elect a representative of the state of Georgia.

 

[SHUSA]

I’m not saying I doubt you. But could you kindly show where in the law a utility bill is required to show residency? Thanks

you need to show a utility bill for basically anything related to the state. its pretty common.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

you need to show a utility bill for basically anything related to the state. its pretty common.

 

[Merge]

I’m not saying I doubt you. But could you kindly show where in the law a utility bill is required to show residency? Thanks

In Georgia, to register to vote you need a Drivers license or ID card issued by the state. To get one of those ID's you need to be able to prove residency at their department of drivers services.

"To use the Online Voter Registration System you must have a valid driver’s license or identification card issued by GA Department of Driver Services (DDS) with signature on file with DDS"

To get one of those you need to bring -

1. Identity Document (one document) - An original or certified document to prove WHO YOU ARE such as a certified Birth Certificate, US Passport, Certificate of Naturalization, I-551, etc.
2. Your Social Security Card. (one document)
3. Two Documents showing Georgia residency - where you live (e.g. utility bill, phone bill). These documents must show a street address and be dated within the past six (6) months.

You can submit a paper application without an ID, but they are not going to approve the application without being able to validate your information against other state records.

"Federal law requires you to provide your full GA Drivers License number or GA State issued ID number. If you do not have a GA Drivers License or GA ID you must provide the last 4 digits of your Social Security number. Providing your full Social Security number is optional. Your Social Security number will be kept confidential and may be used for comparison with other state agency databases for voter registration identification purposes. If you do not possess a GA Drivers License or Social Security number please check the appropriate box and a unique identifier will be provided for you. "

So, the only way that this impacts the election is if some group influences tens of thousands of people to move to Georgia and sign up to register to vote. If they don't stay in Georgia and it is found that they only moved there for the election, they could face a penalty of up to $100,000 and ten years in prison.

This is really just a hypothetical risk which would be extremely unlikely to have an impact on the election itself. I don't think people appreciate how unlikely it would be to pull this off without whistleblowers among the tens of thousands of people it would require to pull it off.

Also, if democrats could pull this off - they should have done it months ago and moved people out of CA and NY into North Carolina, Maine and Montana.

 

[SPK145]

Loeffler shouldn’t be a US Senator but Hate America First Warnock???

 

[Merge]

Loeffler shouldn’t be a US Senator but Hate America First Warnock???

I'm not that familiar with Warnock. Can you add some context there?

 

[Hallsome]

I'm not that familiar with Warnock. Can you add some context there?

Don’t take this personally-but I’ve noticed this year more than ever that Dems and, more particularly, anti trumpers, are rarely familiar with Dems like Warnock and their respective platforms, even though we hear plenty about them (why the squad is deserving a daily news I don’t get)

 

[shu09]

Loeffler shouldn’t be a US Senator but Hate America First Warnock???

I don't know anything about Warnock, but I know that Loeffler is a disgrace.

 

[Merge]

Don’t take this personally-but I’ve noticed this year more than ever that Dems and, more particularly, anti trumpers, are rarely familiar with Dems like Warnock and their respective platforms, even though we hear plenty about them (why the squad is deserving a daily news I don’t get)

Just didn't really pay that much attention to GA this year honestly so I'm not really who you are referring to when you say "Dems like Warnock". I've know about Ossoff for a few years and have been following him a little but honestly just didn't pay attention to Warnock. The senate race I followed more closely was SC. Didn't think Harrison had a chance but did grow to like him a lot. Apparently he will be the next DNC chair, which will be a huge improvement over Perez.

 

[SPK145]

Dozens of Georgia veterans call on Warnock to drop out of Senate race over past comments

Dozens of veterans from Georgia are calling on Democratic Senate candidate Raphael Warnock to drop out of the state’s run-off race in January after his nearly a decade-old comment saying “nobody can serve God and the military” resurfaced.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Merge]

Man, republicans today would really hate Jesus. Are we at the point where republicans are telling Warnock to drop out because he is just too Christian?

He was paraphrasing the sermon on the mount. Basically saying you have to put your faith first above all else, but not that you can't do anything else. Not really a controversial statement for those who are religious. Only an issue if he as an elected official would legislate based on his faith ahead of the constitution, just like every other elected representative who is a believer.

Also why I didn't take an issue with Amy Barrett. She was obviously of deep faith, but that isn't a problem unless she puts her faith ahead of the constitution and I don't think saying she would is really supportable.

The whiteness quote kind of bothered me so I looked up the context.


Adding in the context, I am not longer bothered by that quote.

 

[SPK145]

Ossoff Dodges on Warnock's Praise for Anti-Semitic Pastor

Senate hopeful Jon Ossoff—who has repeatedly referred to himself and fellow Democrat Raphael Warnock as a "team" in Georgia's Senate runoffs—dodged questions on Warnock's longtime support for anti-Semitic pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

freebeacon.com

 

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Ossoff Dodges on Warnock's Praise for Anti-Semitic Pastor

Senate hopeful Jon Ossoff—who has repeatedly referred to himself and fellow Democrat Raphael Warnock as a "team" in Georgia's Senate runoffs—dodged questions on Warnock's longtime support for anti-Semitic pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

freebeacon.com

So Warnock hates America because he didn't have an issue with Wright's sermon?
Have you watched the sermon?

 

[SPK145]

So Warnock hates America because he didn't have an issue with Wright's sermon?
Have you watched the sermon?

Sure did.

Just pointing out that Warnock is at least as equally bad as Loeffler.

You think Warnock is a good candidate?

 

[Merge]

Sure did.

Just pointing out that Warnock is at least as equally bad as Loeffler.

You think Warnock is a good candidate?

No, didn't really know anything about him until this thread. Just looking for context as to why you were saying he hates America.

I'm not really vested in the outcome there. I do like Ossoff, but I am falling on the side that I would prefer republicans keep the majority in the senate (for a few reasons) but didn't really take issue with what Warnock said in his sermons.

 

[SPK145]

Ossoff isn’t a bad candidate but he’s never won an election before.