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A month without pay for 800,000 people for nothing.
Says we can work out a deal in a couple weeks but if he doesn't get what he wants he will declare a national emergency?
He thinks he is a dictator.
Says we can work out a deal in a couple weeks but if he doesn't get what he wants he will declare a national emergency?
He thinks he is a dictator.
Shutdown is stupid, but everyone is getting paid so calm down. He could have said what he needed to in 2 minutes. Dictator...lol
Not sure if you know anyone impacted by the shutdown but I do. 2 relatively young families both with one source of income each.
The amount of stress placed on them because of this shutdown and the future uncertainty is horrible All for a wall which has been rejected by the majority of Americans.
I'll make sure I tell them to calm down next time I see them and they are worried about these next couple of weeks.
Stop. This is no different than any previous shutdown, except for the length of it.
Politicians on both sides suck.
We really do need to trim the size of the government. It's amazing how many "non-essential" personnel there are.
I'm also amazed how so many people don't have emergency funds exactly for situations like this. You should have, at minimum, 3-6 months of living expenses saved up. If missing a paycheck or two sends you to a food bank, you have major financial management issues.
I'm also amazed how so many people don't have emergency funds exactly for situations like this. You should have, at minimum, 3-6 months of living expenses saved up. If missing a paycheck or two sends you to a food bank, you have major financial management issues.
Is empathy that difficult?
This was an unnecessary strain on a lot of people.
I could have bought the argument that Trump had the mandate for a wall a year ago but into 2019 that mandate is gone.
Right... Its the length that made this worse.
Both sides do suck for sure. But this time, both sides had a compromise on the table. One person caused shut down the government to try and get taxpayers to pay for a wall that doesnt have public support and he promises Mexico sould pay for.
Don’t be silly. As I said before, the shut down was stupid and should never have happened.This was all about politics plain and simple. 0.1% of the budget For things essentially both sides have historically agreed.
It will never happen, but what should happen during the shutdown is Congress and the president should not be paid and also not get reimbursed.
If you are a living paycheck to paycheck, why on earth would you have children?
I'm glad your life went perfectly without any financial difficulty where you can't imagine that not being paid for a month while supporting a wife and kids wouldn't ever have been a problem.
I wasn't as lucky and did experience financial difficulty in my life years ago so it is not hard for me to see things from their perspective.
Whose life goes perfectly? Are we talking about couples that made good decisions and suffer a life and financially altering event or a couple that never planned for anything and are still living paycheck to paycheck.
We all know families that have done without some luxuries in order to save for their children and future. We also know families that live well beyond their means. And income very often has nothing to do with it.
Many people for a variety of reasons live from paycheck to paycheck. I choose not to sit and judge them from my computer.
No and no. What does that have to do with anything? I live within my means and other people should too, whether they are single or married with 1 kid, 4 kids, whatever.
It's a simple equation. Spend less than you earn and you'll be just fine.
I wish life were that easy.
If you decide to get married, have kids and sacrifice one income cause you want to raise your kids instead of a daycare. Not going to be much left for most people at the end of the month.
If you get to that point, come home one day after you and your wife havent slept for weeks cause your kids have been sick, tell your wife you're not getting paid for a month and let me know how that goes.
I get what you are saying in theory, but there are a lot of people out there trying to do the right thing and for whatever reason it doesnt work out. The idea that their lives should be further complicated because the president wants something he couldnt pass under a Republican controlled house and senate seems like nothing more than a political game.
Agree it was a political game. But it's not only the fault of the president and his GOP cohorts.
Back to your hypothetical: I wouldn't decide to have children unless I know I have a pre-existing financial safety net. Too many people in this country have children before they're financially ready to. I just wouldn't be that irresponsible. It would do a disservice to me, my wife and my kids.
Back to your hypothetical: I wouldn't decide to have children unless I know I have a pre-existing financial safety net. Too many people in this country have children before they're financially ready to. I just wouldn't be that irresponsible. It would do a disservice to me, my wife and my kids.
+1. It’s called being an adult and responsible. We did the same...sacrificed one income, did a budget, decided what to do without (vacation and restaurants), and made sure we had something in the bank before having our first. Last year I found our budget book from those years...tracking every purchase and expense during the month, even a coffee and bagel. Had our share of unfortunate medical surprises too.
We all understand people get hit with catastrophic events, and they need a safety net or major relief. But the MSM is all about scare tactics too. CBS ran a story last week and a woman was complaining that the family had to go to a matinee movie instead of an evening one to save $40!
Glad this shutdown is over. I’m tired of the politics and rhetoric. Do your f’n job.
The amount of judgmental people about how’s people should live their lives is amazing. I know people who are federal law enforcement agents and not getting paid. This put an immense strain on them. If the shutdown went any longer they would have to get loans to pay the mortgage.
Sure they will not get paid but there are many contract workers who will. It get back pay. They just lost a month of wages. I wonder how many people would like to lose a month of wages over this ??
Sure they will not get paid but there are many contract workers who will. It get back pay. They just lost a month of wages. I wonder how many people would like to lose a month of wages over this ??
Many people for a variety of reasons do not need to live paycheck to paycheck. Having been fortunate enough to become one of those people, I have always attributed it to some combination of God, hard work and good luck. The compulsion to look down on people who don't measure up is not how I live my life.
By law a contractor has to provide services to other entities not just one. Their revenues took a hit and that is not good but no real contractor should have been penniless during the shutdown.
Nobody would LIKE to. The point is, be prepared for it. Whether it's job loss, medical emergency, etc. This goes for anyone. If you're a government worker, it would be madness to not be prepared for a gap in pay given all the stupid politics and history of shutdowns.
Although I guess I shouldn't be surprised that some people that work for a government that can't live within its means also are not capable of doing the same in their own lives.
Exactly. There could be a myriad of reasons why it could be a problem why it could be a problem for someone to not get paid for a month.
Sure maybe some of those reasons are because of a lack of financial responsibility, but some of those reasons are not.
If Trump made this push during the first two years of his presidency, I wouldn't feel as negatively towards a shutdown over the issue and I would be more critical of democrats if they were unwilling to negotiate especially after there was an argument that Trump had a mandate on the wall.
However, in the context of what it was, after the democrats largest percentage win in the history of mid term elections - that argument is gone and this shutdown is only because Trump didn't make a real effort for a wall in his first two years and thinks this is a winning issue for him politically.
It is a mystery to me why Trump didn't push for the wall while he had GOP majorities in both houses of Congress. The only thing I can think of is he wanted to test the Democrats and try to get them to cave as that would give him the upper hand in the divided government era. It didn't work out that way.
I don't believe we have the political will to do what needs to be done from both sides.
The compromise (in my opinion) should be strengthening our borders including a wall for amnesty with a path towards citizenship for those already here.
That said, while I think amnesty would be the morally right thing to do, it will hurt economically so I am not sure Dems would really sign onto that as the compromise even though they enjoy the politics of saying they want it - and I am not sure Ann Coulter would allow Trump to make that compromise.
Not amnesty for all just for the DREAMers. And not a 3-year kick the can down the road, but a full amnesty for the DREAMers here now.
Certainly a fair view, I just slightly disagree and think we can provide amnesty to those who have been here with or without kids who have active/productive members of their communities and have not committed any crimes.
I love all the drama about the horror of not getting a paycheck for two weeks.
1. One phone call to the bank and you find out you get an immediate 30-60 day grace period (or more) with no impact to the credit report. Likely longer in this case because no bank wants bad press about not helping someone affected by this.
2. Same deal for every utility bill.
3. If you truly have zero cash, a credit card would handle a month of food.
The reality was that most gov't workers did fine. The left media just kept searching long enough until they could find the sob stories they needed and they did not find too many.
Regarding the contractors: Hello! Have you ever hired a contractor? That is why they call them contractors. Those people are quite familiar with being cut off on a moments notice. It happens day in and day out with their work.
The above is not judgemental. It is reality.
Moving on, let's show a little concern for the the upcoming murder of infants in New York.
Let's see: Delayed pay check for two weeks vs murdering babies. Which should we be more concerned about? That's a tough one. I'll have to think about it more.
1. One phone call to the bank and you find out you get an immediate 30-60 day grace period (or more) with no impact to the credit report. Likely longer in this case because no bank wants bad press about not helping someone affected by this.
2. Same deal for every utility bill.
3. If you truly have zero cash, a credit card would handle a month of food.
The reality was that most gov't workers did fine. The left media just kept searching long enough until they could find the sob stories they needed and they did not find too many.
Regarding the contractors: Hello! Have you ever hired a contractor? That is why they call them contractors. Those people are quite familiar with being cut off on a moments notice. It happens day in and day out with their work.
The above is not judgemental. It is reality.
Moving on, let's show a little concern for the the upcoming murder of infants in New York.
Let's see: Delayed pay check for two weeks vs murdering babies. Which should we be more concerned about? That's a tough one. I'll have to think about it more.
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Shutting down the government is just another symptom in large flashing lights that our Government is not working at all.
It hurts real people, the US economy and businesses that rely on the government. I can tell you that I am waiting for paperwork from the IRS that is not going to come for months now most likely and it will hurt our small company in withholding from a few jobs we are working with outside of the US. The IRS will not deliver the paperwork in time. We will make 10% less but we will be OK.
It affects a lot of people and it should not come down to holding government workers hostage. Our politicians continue to not do their job and WE don't hold them accountable. We are too concerned about keeping a majority with the same losers that are not getting it done. See folks like McConnel, Grassly, Pelosi, Schumer, Menendez, Cruz etc. We keep electing these idiots every year and keep thinking maybe things will change?
It hurts real people, the US economy and businesses that rely on the government. I can tell you that I am waiting for paperwork from the IRS that is not going to come for months now most likely and it will hurt our small company in withholding from a few jobs we are working with outside of the US. The IRS will not deliver the paperwork in time. We will make 10% less but we will be OK.
It affects a lot of people and it should not come down to holding government workers hostage. Our politicians continue to not do their job and WE don't hold them accountable. We are too concerned about keeping a majority with the same losers that are not getting it done. See folks like McConnel, Grassly, Pelosi, Schumer, Menendez, Cruz etc. We keep electing these idiots every year and keep thinking maybe things will change?
Speaking of which, did you see the piece on the CEO of Starbucks who is considering a run for President as an Independent. His pitch is basically that neither party is listening and he can't align with either. Should be interesting to see if we see an onslaught of third party candidates that buck the primaries.
There is no doubt that our government spends too much money and some of that is on employees but a lot of that is also because so many programs are broken and no recent administration (from either party), or our ineffective Senate and Congress have the guts to deal with it.
Wow man you are so out of touch with the reality of blue collar life....its a great idea for any last worker in this country to have that much savings in theory but a lot of people work to survive
I don't know much about him. But if there has ever been a year when this country might need a third party candidate this is it.
We might have to choose from Trump on one side (I still keep hoping someone emerges but apparently it won't be Nikki Haley who I would really like), maybe Kasich or Flake vs. a cast of Warren, Biden, Harris, Sherrod Brown, Sanders, Castro, Booker, Gilabrand and Gabbard...
None of those folks and the others that have listed their intent get me excited at all. I might be able to live with Biden or Kasich. Haley is the only one that would make me happy.
I don't know much about him other than the 60 minutes piece, but he's the only person with aspirations that has publically called out both parties on the partisanship, gridlock, behavior, etc.. Claimed he wouldn't use the Starbucks brand to help him, but that is an interesting dynamic that they have about 200K U.S. employees (FT/PT) and think of how many millions of customers that can have unofficial "interactions". And it's the demo that is growing and more engaged from 2016.
I'm with you...give me Nikki Haley or as Kasich as a back-up. On the Dem side, Sherrod Brown is trying to support and connect with the working American which I'm all for...Gabbard is also much better than the rest of the lot.
Ah all we need is another Billionaire who knows nothing yet because he is rich, he thinks he can be President. No thank you. Go away and make coffee. Leave governing to people who know what they are doing.
For the Republicans, Kasich will be as good as it gets. For Dems, I do like Sherrod Brown but he has no charisma. If I am the Dems, here is the guy to draft to be the nominee - Robert Mueller.
So I guess you hate Bloomberg too...lol.
“Leave governing to people who know what they are doing”....there’s a joke in there somewhere.... I’m not going to trash everyone from both sides but based on the public approval rating it’s still a good environment for an outsider to jump in.
Mueller is a Republican so that’s interesting.
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