How I see it as a Yankee fan

[Halldan1]

ESPN has a very long pay site story on ranking HOF members

Here's a very short part of it with the link below


Tier I: 14 Members
1. Babe Ruth (3.17 HFI)
2. Willie Mays (2.67)
3. Honus Wagner (2.43)
4. Mickey Mantle (2.12)
5. Ted Williams (2.04)
6. Stan Musial (1.98)
7. Hank Aaron (1.96)
8. Ty Cobb (1.95)
9. Rogers Hornsby (1.93)
10. Walter Johnson (1.91)
11. Cy Young (1.90)
12. Lou Gehrig (1.83)
13. Tris Speaker (1.64)
14. Eddie Collins (1.42)

Tier II: 19 Members
15. Mike Schmidt (1.26)
16. Joe Morgan (1.18)
17. Mel Ott (1.18)
18. Lefty Grove (1.16)
19. Jimmie Foxx (1.15)
20. Nap Lajoie (1.11)
21. Randy Johnson (1.08)
22. Christy Mathewson (1.06)
23. Rickey Henderson (1.03)
24. Cal Ripken Jr. (1.03)
25. Kid Nichols (1.02)
26. Eddie Mathews (1.01)
27. Pete Alexander (1.00)
28. Joe DiMaggio (0.98)
29. Greg Maddux (0.86)
30. Tom Seaver (0.84)
31. Frank Robinson (0.81)
32. Arky Vaughan (0.71)
33. Johnny Bench (0.70)
24. Cal Ripken Jr. (1.03)

http://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/25770773/mlb-ranking-every-current-hall-famer-tiers

 

[ponyfoot19]

This is hard for a longtime Yankee fan such as myself, and while you can't debate the inclusion of Ruth, Gehrig and DiMaggio etc. I went with guys I saw play.

1-Mantle
2-Riveria the absolute best at his position for a prolonged period
3-Berra-defense,power, and liable to swing at any pitch and get a hit
4-Jeter-always seemed to make the right play and get a hit when needed
5-Ford-Gave his team a good chance to win with each start, excellent fielder
6-Winfield-a five tool type player, doesn't get enough credit for his defense,and you didn't want to cover second if he was running there
7-Rodriguez-a magnet for debate, but the stats are there,but if you needed a key hit, I'd want the next guy up
8-Mattingly-great fielder, hit for average and power despite little protection in the lineup.Would love to have seen him on the good Yankee teams
9-Guidry-you could know what was coming and still not hit it.Another great fielder. His 25-3 1978 season was probably as dominant as any Yankee
10-tie Jackson/Munson- Reggie a HOF but only five years with the Yanks. Munson,another top defender and good hitter who seemed to be a great hitter in clutch situations.

 

[Halldan1]

Well done. An enjoyable read as we are probably of the same generation as I saw all the player you saw.

 

[SHUSource]

Did I miss Roger Clemens anywhere on this list? Six seasons as a Yankee and pitched very well, and in huge spots, for them.

I purposely omitted him, as well as A-Rod, because I didn’t want to give quarter to any juicers on this prestigious list, but I’m surprised no one listed him (unless I overlooked it).

 

[Halldan1]

Forgot about him as he only played 4 years for the Yankees

Clemens as a Yankee

2000 14-10 ERA 4.60
2001 13-8 ERA 3.70
2002 20-3 ERA 3,51
2003 17-9 ERA 3.91

 

[hbkmyr]

I'm not a Yankee fan so I have no vested interest, but wouldn't you have to put Pettitte in before Clemens?

 

[Halldan1]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pettian01.shtml

As a Yankee, probably. As a baseball player, obviously not in the same area code.

 

[Section112]

I'm not a Yankee fan so I have no vested interest, but wouldn't you have to put Pettitte in before Clemens?

Yes. In fact Pettitte has many Yankee pitching records. Might be the 4th or 5th best Yankee pitcher in production. Mussina was also good but played 8 years for the Orioles but always had a solid ERA but c

 

[Halldan1]

If you're a Yankee fan, great trip down memory lane....

In terms of previous season WAR, the 10 shiniest new toys acquired during the Steinbrenner(s) era:

1. Jason Giambi (2002): 9.2
2. Alex Rodriguez (2004): 8.4
3. Randy Johnson (2005): 8.4
4. Roger Clemens (1999): 8.1
5. Mark Teixeira (2009): 7.8
6. Giancarlo Stanton (2018): 7.6
7. Catfish Hunter (1975): 6.9
8. Chuck Knoblauch (1998): 6.8
9. Gary Sheffield (2004): 6.8
10. Rick Rhoden (1987): 6.6

OK, no offense to Rick Rhoden, but he isn't really one of the shiniest new toys. My personal "Holy $#!%" top 10, factoring in the place, time and money, would be more like this:

1. A-Rod: best player in the AL, maybe best in the game and still young
2. Clemens: coming off two monster seasons and joining a 114-win team
3. Rickey Henderson: He's Rickey!
4. Reggie Jackson: the straw that stirs the drink
5. Stanton: dreams of hitting 60 at Yankee Stadium
6. Catfish: unreal money at the time
7. Masahiro Tanaka: Everybody wanted him.
8. Dave Winfield: The money and length seemed crazy.
9. Giambi: MVP in 2000, runner-up in 2001
10. Jack Clark: He was arguably the best hitter in the game in '87.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-harper-join-long-list-yankees-shiny-new-toys

 

[seton1996]

If you're a Yankee fan, great trip down memory lane....

In terms of previous season WAR, the 10 shiniest new toys acquired during the Steinbrenner(s) era:

1. Jason Giambi (2002): 9.2
2. Alex Rodriguez (2004): 8.4
3. Randy Johnson (2005): 8.4
4. Roger Clemens (1999): 8.1
5. Mark Teixeira (2009): 7.8
6. Giancarlo Stanton (2018): 7.6
7. Catfish Hunter (1975): 6.9
8. Chuck Knoblauch (1998): 6.8
9. Gary Sheffield (2004): 6.8
10. Rick Rhoden (1987): 6.6

OK, no offense to Rick Rhoden, but he isn't really one of the shiniest new toys. My personal "Holy $#!%" top 10, factoring in the place, time and money, would be more like this:

1. A-Rod: best player in the AL, maybe best in the game and still young
2. Clemens: coming off two monster seasons and joining a 114-win team
3. Rickey Henderson: He's Rickey!
4. Reggie Jackson: the straw that stirs the drink
5. Stanton: dreams of hitting 60 at Yankee Stadium
6. Catfish: unreal money at the time
7. Masahiro Tanaka: Everybody wanted him.
8. Dave Winfield: The money and length seemed crazy.
9. Giambi: MVP in 2000, runner-up in 2001
10. Jack Clark: He was arguably the best hitter in the game in '87.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...-harper-join-long-list-yankees-shiny-new-toys

Of all those big signings/trades above, almost all would have to be considered somewhat disappointing and most underachieved with Yankees compared to prior years.

 

[Fishjam]

Very difficult choices. A lot depends on criteria. For a Yankees list, WS championships has to be important. Mattingly is my all-time favorite but has to take a demerit for that.

Some names that weren’t really mentioned but stack up favorably compared to ARod are Bernie Williams, Paul O’Neill and Jorge Posada. I wouldn’t say any are Top 10 Yankees but they all won 5 WS rings. Bernie & Jorge we’re switch-hitters at premium positions.

Here’s how their Yankee only #s compare to ARod’s.

Career NYY BA / OPS / HR-RBI per 162 games
O’Neill .303 BA / .869 OPS 24 hr - 111 rbi
Bernie .297 BA / .858 OPS 22 hr - 97 rbi
Jorge .273 BA / .848 OPS. 24 hr - 94 rbi
ARod .283 BA / .900 OPS 38 hr - 118 rbi
DonM .307 BA / .830 OPS 20 hr - 100 rbi

 

[jim34238]

Damn! It's great to be a Yankee fan........More thrills in the above lists than you could ever hope for as a fan of any other team...period!

 

[SnakeTom]

Well I'm NOT a Yankee fan so my list of favorite Yankees may be a bit different:

1. Ed Whitson
2. Carl Pavano
3. Jaret Wright
4. Irabu
5. Kevin Brown
6. Ellsbury
7.Drew Henson

TK

 

[Hall-line-forever]

I’ll give a round for worst Yankees

Andy Messersmith
Raul Mondesi
Andy Hawkins
Fat Joba Chamberlain
The count Montefusco
Dave Revering
Ken Phelps
Duke Sims
Dave Collins
Horace Clarke
Rich McKinney

 

[cernjSHU]

This is hard for a longtime Yankee fan such as myself, and while you can't debate the inclusion of Ruth, Gehrig and DiMaggio etc. I went with guys I saw play.

1-Mantle
2-Riveria the absolute best at his position for a prolonged period
3-Berra-defense,power, and liable to swing at any pitch and get a hit
4-Jeter-always seemed to make the right play and get a hit when needed
5-Ford-Gave his team a good chance to win with each start, excellent fielder
6-Winfield-a five tool type player, doesn't get enough credit for his defense,and you didn't want to cover second if he was running there
7-Rodriguez-a magnet for debate, but the stats are there,but if you needed a key hit, I'd want the next guy up
8-Mattingly-great fielder, hit for average and power despite little protection in the lineup.Would love to have seen him on the good Yankee teams
9-Guidry-you could know what was coming and still not hit it.Another great fielder. His 25-3 1978 season was probably as dominant as any Yankee
10-tie Jackson/Munson- Reggie a HOF but only five years with the Yanks. Munson,another top defender and good hitter who seemed to be a great hitter in clutch situations.

Winfield being on this list and being above great Yankees is a abhorrent. Winfield was a compiler Of stats. He was never a clutch player for the Yankees. Question. Runner at second base and two outs in the bottom of the 9th inning, who do you want up Winfield or Lou Pinella? I’ll take Pinella any day. Guys like Bernie, O’Neiil were better Yankees and to have him over Mattingly and Reggie and even Munson who did win an MVP. ? Really? Reggie hits 3 HRs in one WS game meanwhile Mr May went 1=21 and when he got his single he asked for the ball?

As you can see, I have little respect for Winfield. 6’6 man and was a 25 HR guy. He is the definition of a man who complied stats because he played so long. He was never a dominant player or was thought of as one of the best in the game.

 

[Hall-line-forever]

Winfield was never clutch except his World Series with Toronto. Mattingly only had a few good years. Arod should not ever be considered.

Thoughts on Billy Martin, Phil Rizzuto, the Goose, ?

 

[Halldan1]

I’ll give a round for worst Yankees


Horace Clarke

Strongly disagree with this. Clarke was a solid player who got a lot of grief because he wasn't a star and played during an era where the Yankees were a poor team.

Stats
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/clarkho01.shtml