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How St. John’s lost Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and altered basketball forever

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By Mike Vaccaro

May 4, 2020 | 6:00am

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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, then known as Lew Alcindor, speaks with the press after announcing his decision to attend UCLA on May 4, 1965.AP


That morning, outside the Dyckman Street projects in Inwood, the kid had tried to do what had been impossible for him for years: stay invisible. Blend in. But Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor Jr., though blessed with many things, was never granted the privilege of anonymity. Not at 7-foot-1.

So as he made his way to the subway for the daily trip south to Power Memorial High School, Alcindor saw a yellow taxi cab stop dead in the street.

“Hope you’re staying home!” the driver said.

As he passed a saloon, a member of the night-shift drinking crew popped out of the door and shook his hand.

“Where are you going to play?” the man asked.

“I’m not sure yet,” the kid said.

But Alcindor did know, even if he kept it locked inside his suit jacket pocket as he waited for the lunch-hour press conference he would hold inside Power’s gym at 161 W. 61st St. For three years, he had been the biggest basketball star in New York, much bigger than the rag-tag Knicks, bigger than the kids at St. John’s or NYU or Fordham.

For three years the biggest question in New York basketball had been this: Where would Lew Alcindor play college basketball? And on this day — May 4, 1965, 55 years ago Monday — that would be revealed at last.

“You knew,” Lou Carnesecca told me a few years ago, “that whoever got him was gonna be some kind of program. And whoever coached him was gonna look awfully smart.”

Carnesecca was the newly named coach at St. John’s in that spring of 1965. Joe Lapchick, the school’s legendary basketball boss who’d just led the Redmen to the NIT title, was being forced to retire having reached 65. The Redmen were in play. So was NYU. So was Michigan and Boston College. And so was UCLA, which had just won its second-straight NCAA title.

Howard Garfinkel, later the founder and proprietor of the Five-Star Basketball Camp, was then a bird-dog scout who’d drafted a handicapping chart of where Alcindor would go; St. John’s was his prohibitive favorite, at 6-to-5. Garf listed UCLA at 3-to-1.

Alcindor had just completed the greatest high school career in New York’s history. He’d scored 2,067 points and grabbed 2,002 rebounds. Take a look at a YouTube video posted a few weeks ago by RawSports.tv, which shows Alcindor getting 32 points, 22 rebounds and 10 blocks in the ’65 Catholic League final, a 73-41 rout of Rice at Fordham’s Rose Hill Gym. He was not yet 18; he looks as polished as a 10-year pro, sky hook and all. Two hundred schools inquired. Most had seen him play every game his senior year.

John Wooden, the UCLA coach, hadn’t seen him play once. It was school policy to only recruit out-of-state players when the player called first. But Alcindor visited UCLA in April. The process lasted another month, but he’d made up his mind the moment he walked onto the campus, soaked in the sun, met Wooden, seen newly built Pauley Pavilion.

And at 12:33 p.m. on May 4, in the cramped Power gym, with dozens of reporters and photographers and classmates and teachers crowding the room, Alcindor said, “This fall I’ll be attending UCLA.”

They were the first words he’d ever spoken on the record; his high school coach, Jack Donohue, had kept him away from the press, and had coordinated much of the recruiting. Alcindor was charming, handling every question expertly, including the ridiculous ones. He was asked, “Are there any liabilities to being tall in basketball?”

“None that I can think of,” he said.

It was hard to know it, of course, but something changed forever in New York City that day. Other top-flight city players had found exile elsewhere, many playing for Frank McGuire at North Carolina, but Alcindor was different. He loved New York. And for most of his time at Power, he assumed he would choose St. John’s.

But he was disappointed when Lapchick was forced to retire. Before hiring Carnesecca, there had been talk that Donohue would get that job; he didn’t, going to Holy Cross instead (and there was little chance Alcindor was going to pick Worcester, Mass., over New York or Los Angeles).

A few years back, Alcindor — known as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar since 1971 — told me, “I’d known Coach Lapchick since grade school. It was nothing against Coach Carnesecca, I just didn’t know him at all.”

To which Looie later quipped with a laugh: “I would’ve loved to get to know him better.”

Their paths would cross once: Dec. 30, 1968, finals of the Holiday Festival at the Garden. St. John’s kept it close for a half. Alcindor scored 30. The Bruins won 74-56. It was the first genuinely electric night in the New Garden, which had opened 10 months before, New York recognizing one of its own.

And pondering, no doubt, what might have been.
 
Ah, yes, it was all because SJ made a coaching change and had nothing to do with Sam Gilbert. Got it. We all know the most pristine coach in college history would never cheat...

...some details please.. I have no idea who Sam Gilbert is
 
Those were the days when there were territorial picks in the NBA. The Celtics we're bringing a lot of pressure to get Alcindor to sign with a New England team. And, yes, Holy Cross actually was mentioned. Years later a major college coach in Florida, I can't remember whether it was Florida or Florida State, mentioned that a certain famous West Coast coach was really dirty. I always assumed he was referring to Wooden but maybe I'm being unfair. Or maybe the Florida coach was jealous
 
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https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-jun-08-la-sp-0609-wooden-gilbert-20100609-story.html

The dark side of the UCLA basketball dynasty

By CHRIS DUFRESNE

JUNE 8, 2010

John R. Wooden, who died Friday at age 99, left for the ages an exemplary body of work in which the rewards, ten-fold, outweighed the trials.

No rendering of Wooden’s legacy, though, is complete without mention of a man who influenced one of sport’s most unimpeachable dynasties:

Sam Gilbert.

If Wooden was the father figure of UCLA basketball, Gilbert was its shadowy one.

Gilbert was a small, burly, self-made man with unfettered devotion to the Bruins. He could be benevolent yet, to nose-poking reporters, a bully. He attended UCLA in the 1930s but did not graduate, later to make his fortune as a contractor.

UCLA players recalled his showing up after Bruins games in the 1960s, dispensing apples and oranges.

He forged bonds with many Bruins who helped hang 10 national championship banners from 1964 to 1975, the year Wooden retired.

Gilbert held dinners at his home, provided UCLA players with advice, counsel and much, much more. He was “Papa Sam” to UCLA’s parade of All-Americans — he even negotiated contracts, usually taking only a dollar, when the NBA beckoned various Bruins.

“There were two people I listened to,” former UCLA star Lucius Allen once told The Times. “Coach Wooden as long as we were between the lines. Outside the court — Sam Gilbert.”

Wooden was wary of Gilbert but generally turned a blind eye.

“Maybe I had tunnel vision,” Wooden once said. “I still don’t think he’s had any great impact on the basketball program.”

Gilbert’s influence ultimately helped land UCLA basketball on NCAA probation. In December 1981, UCLA was cited for nine infractions and received two years’ probation, which included a one-year NCAA tournament ban and an order to vacate its 1980 NCAA national title game appearance against Louisville.

The most serious allegation levied against Gilbert was that he co-signed a promissory note so a player could buy a car. The NCAA ordered UCLA to disassociate Gilbert from its recruiting process.

Larry Brown was UCLA’s basketball coach in 1980; none of the violations were tied to Wooden’s era.

A 1981 Times investigative series, which interviewed 45 people connected with the basketball program, established Gilbert as “a one-man clearing house who has enabled players and their families to receive goods and services usually at big discounts and sometimes at no cost.”

The paper quoted Brent Clark, an NCAA field investigator who said that, in 1977, he was told to drop his case in Westwood. “If I had spent a month in Los Angeles, I could have put them on indefinite suspension,” he said of UCLA. An NCAA spokesman disputed this claim, saying that Clark was living a “fantasy world.”

The Times established that Gilbert, during Wooden’s heyday, helped players get cars, clothes, airline tickets and scalpers’ prices for UCLA season tickets. Gilbert allegedly even arranged abortions for players’ girlfriends.

One former UCLA All-American told The Times: “What do you want me to say? That’s my school. I don’t want to see them take away all those championships.” Gilbert considered many NCAA rules arcane and silly.

Larry Farmer, who played for Wooden and later became head coach, remarked of Gilbert: “I saw him move mountains.”

The Times’ investigation concluded Gilbert probably committed several NCAA violations in his dealings with UCLA players.

Wooden, in 1981, told The Times: “There’s as much crookedness as you want to find. There was something Abraham Lincoln said — he’d rather trust and be disappointed than distrust and be miserable all the time. Maybe I trusted too much.”

Times reporters Mike Littwin and Alan Greenberg opined:

" . . . Wooden knew about Gilbert. He knew the players were close to Gilbert. He knew they looked to Gilbert for advice. Maybe he knew more. He should have known much more. If he didn’t, it was only because he apparently chose not to look.”

Gilbert died, at age 74, in 1987, four days before federal prosecutors, unaware of his passing, indicted him for racketeering and money laundering.

“I tried my best,” Wooden told the Basketball Times in 2005, ". . . My conscience is clear.”

chris.dufresne@latimes.com
 
There are two types of cheating , the first is actively participating in the scheme with full knowledge that it’s illegal , the second is knowing that cheating is going on and turning a blind eye to it , the proverbial , “ Hear no evil, See no evil , Speak no evil “ and many times it’s turning the blind eye to the scheme allows it to go on far too long with no repercussions.
 
Do you think UCLA under Wooden was the first school to pay players? Do you believe no school since UCLA has paid players? Let’s face it, all schools cheat to some extent. Many out right pay kids.

Only ONE coach has ten national titles. That is the great John Wooden. No one else even has six.
 
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I don't think anyone believes in diminishing his greatest, but not all NCAA titles are born equally. Back then regions were broken down far differently than they are today. That and there were far fewer teams in the tournament. Playing out west where the competition was so weak UCLA basically had a bye to the FF most every year. There simply was no balance in the brackets and the Bruins always seemed to play in by far the weakest one.

Also, sure there was cheating in recruiting, but nowhere near to the degree that followed after Wooden's retirement when TV and sneaker money began to rule the roost.

When big time money gets involved more people are willing to open doors which in turns spurs competition. The kind of competition that Wooden never faced.

Was he a great coach? No one doubts that. But Wooden was dirty and to not see that is doing what he did for so many years. turning a blind eye.
 
I don't think anyone believes in diminishing his greatest, but not all NCAA titles are born equally. Back then regions were broken down far differently than they are today. That and there were far fewer teams in the tournament. Playing out west where the competition was so weak UCLA basically had a bye to the FF most every year. There simply was no balance in the brackets and the Bruins always seemed to play in by far the weakest one.

Also, sure there was cheating in recruiting, but nowhere near to the degree that followed after Wooden's retirement when TV and sneaker money began to rule the roost.

When big time money gets involved more people are willing to open doors which in turns spurs competition. The kind of competition that Wooden never faced.

Was he a great coach? No one doubts that. But Wooden was dirty and to not see that is doing what he did for so many years. turning a blind eye.
True, however you had to win your conference to just make the NCAA. Teams back then didn’t have the luxury of peaking at the right time or getting hot in March. They had to be good all year long. Wooden also had a 88 game winning streak and numerous undefeated seasons. No other coach has matches those feats either.
 
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Nobody bought better players in the quantity that he did.

Calipari is the best current example of this, but his kids don't stay multiple years like the UCLA kids did. That cuts into the value of your purchases.



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True, however you had to win your conference to just make the NCAA. Teams back then didn’t have the luxury of peaking at the right time or getting hot in March. They had to be good all year long. Wooden also had a 88 game winning streak and numerous undefeated seasons. No other coach has matches those feats either.
 
Wooden was dirty & the fact that he said his conscious was clear tells you all you need to know about him. Jason Giambi said the same thing a few days ago.

I love the quote from Abe Lincoln. "he’d rather trust and be disappointed than distrust and be miserable all the time."

Seems very fitting in this day & age. Extremely difficult too.
 
Back then regions were broken down far differently than they are today. Playing out west where the competition was so weak UCLA basically had a bye to the FF most every year.

You think there's a decent chance this happens again for this upcoming season's NCAA's? I could see them focusing on keeping travel to a minimum this one season.
 
Not a bad suggestion for a year despite the fact that it most likely would cause a wide disparity in the 4 brackets.
 
I guess it always did.........

Pac 10 being awful the last few years would have made Gonzaga a fixture in the Final Four.

Not a bad suggestion for a year despite the fact that it most likely would cause a wide disparity in the 4 brackets.
 
Not a bad suggestion for a year despite the fact that it most likely would cause a wide disparity in the 4 brackets.

agreed. If it’s needed bc of CV, then of course do it. But there will be a disparity issue almost certainly.

To the same point, I wonder if they might limit if needed the amount of overall regional sites, at least for the second weekend.
 
Give me wooden any day, as a good man, as the best coach ever, by a mile.
 
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