I’ll always root for the guy but the regression is alarming. Watching that game last night was painful. I hope for his sake that they give him a third year to figure it out. The arena was empty. Not a good look.
If Kevin thinks travel is tough now...
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He doesn’t also get an extra year for going out with an injury in November year 2?
He could very well petition the NCAA for another year of eligibility based on that.
And I would think it realistically would be granted.
But that’s not a medical redshirt at this time.
More importantly. You don’t think the portal offers more upside than Jahari Long on his 5th or 6th year in college basketball at this point?
I think if you polled Maryland fans about what they want to see from the roster going forward they would say they want more talent than what Jahari Long shown at this point.
Yeah well I’m sure Seton Hall fans would be signing up for 2 more years of Jahari Long right now and 2 years ago they said no way. Fans are just the people to have all the right answers. Based on our current roster, Long would be getting 15-20 minutes per game easily. And I’m sure Maryland would rather have a Long off the bench and spend what you’re saving by having him on an elite starter.
I hate the negative Willard talk, the guy got us from the slums to receiving national attention again and mentored our current coach who is doing a pretty damn good job considering the NIL hurdles.
Not to mention he lost Sha, lost Skin and lost Grant. The coaching staff needs to gel just as much as the players do.
... oh and all this happened in a 2 year span of getting the current role.
Needless to say I would love to see Sha beat up on him.
Not to mention he lost Sha, lost Skin and lost Grant. The coaching staff needs to gel just as much as the players do.
... oh and all this happened in a 2 year span of getting the current role.
Needless to say I would love to see Sha beat up on him.
You have people who only want a fair assessment of Willard, which means if you say something positive about Willard they need to bring the negative, but if you bring the negative they will not bring the positive. Thats the definition of fair assessment.
Give credit for hiring Sha and Grant…maybe Kevin misses both and their contributions more than he thought.
People here are misguided about the slums...Bobby G brought in talent from alternative paths...he just didn't win enough to mask behavior and attitude issues of his own doing. Stix, Hazell, Keon, Jordan, Harvey...Brian Laing had a moster PPG year under Gonzo...the Glover ordeal was a debacle but had a miracle happened and he was eligible from the start record would have been different. Stix and Whitney with the house incident gets a certain degree of blame but had shu been going to the tournament it is a headline that fades in a month.
Willard needed Derm badly his first two years and the school didnt allow for it.
Sorry, but if you embarrass the program with your off court behavior, you better be winning on it. And 5 years of not being close to making tournament along with an embarrassing NIT performance is not good. It might not be Depaul bad, but there is not 1 SHU fan out there that does not view the Gonzo era as the dark years of the program.
Couple of corrections to the last two posts.
1. Kelly Whitney was a Louis Orr recruit and never played under Gonzalez. But he was in the robbery situation with Stix so somehow he becomes a Gonzo responsibility too.
2. Gonzo was only here for 4 years not 5. I would say the fact that they were 19-12 heading into selection Sunday on the bubble was close to the tournament. They lost a tough OT game to Marquette late on the schedule but also lost 3 other OT contests throughout the year as well. Flip 2 of those and that team is 21-10 and they easily get a bid.
The product on the court after year 4 was not as horrendous as people make it out to be.
The off the court stuff and the NIT debacle / behavior did not warrant a 5th year.
But I do believe if Gonzo was coaching that group with a healthy Hazell, that’s a tournament quality roster he would have had for 2010-11.
Right. It was just very disappointing given the sky-high expectations so many of us had when he was hired -- least of all, me.
We had more big men depth in 2011 thanks to Willard and everyones favorite international academy CBA than we did since 2006. Gonzo had no signs of bringing in quality big men. Herb was his best get and he didn't practice basically all summer going into that season. Maybe you were counting on big things from Ferrokhan Hall or Melvyn Oliver. Brian Laing was one of our best big men under Gonzo.
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Yet most this board endorsed the recruitment and hiring of him
I still stand by my statement that a player we recruited as a shooting guard was one of the best big men in the BG era. Unfortunately Big John had his issues. I would've loved to have seen what a healthy John Garcia could do, but I would rank Laing higher than him.
Rutgers is wayyy more crazy with its off cs defense rating. i think theyre 3rd in defense and 3rd from last on offense.
but this is a home game for maryland and sounds like the fans are really not buying in. he can't help but be unlikeable.
I think you’re forgetting big man whisperer and center extraordinaire (Louis Orr holdover) Grant Billmeier.
He terrorized the BE to a tune of 3.4 ppg and 3.4 rpg. in 2006-2007.
He got into 19 out 29 games. While shooting 54.8% from the floor and walling up for a respectable 1/2 a block per game.
And while we are at it. Don’t be slighting my guys Brandon Walters and Mike Davis. The latter who we stole away from Rutgers in the recruiting wars.
Bottomline it’s always been challenging for SHU to recruit high quality 4 year big men since the PJ days.
Obvious Special Guys: 1 and done type guys
- Samuel Dalembert
- Eddie Griffin
- Kelley Whitney
- Angel Delgado
- Patrik Auda
- Mike Nzei
- Sandro
- Tyrese Samuel
- Herb Pope
- Eugene Teague
- Ro Gill
- Ike Obiagu
- Jaden Bediako
- Taurean Thompson
- Brandon Mobley
- Cheer Ajou
- Marcus Cousin
- David Palmer
- Greg Morton
- Charles Manga
- Damian Fray
- Aaron Geramipoor
- Kevin Johnson
- Rasheed Anthony
- Brandan Anderson
- Myles Carter
- Tray Jackson
- Alexis Yetna
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the funds willard has at maryland are astronomically higher than what sha has at shu.
Luther wright anthony avent arty k the final four bigs all of them...also charles manga was an above average serviceable two way big, many here discredit his career
Now Manga did not have PPG numbers but he was often option 4 or 5 on the floor. Duke game in Maui he went for 14 and 10 and fouled out Carlos Boozer...that duke game it is amazing that shu was a bucket away from beating the defending national champs that had half a roster of nba players
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I did say since the PJ days. I meant post PJ days to clarify. Obviously we had size during that time.
So many excuses for Willard by a few posters. Maryland isnt a job that you get 4 years to prove it. They ran Turgeon out of town whose resume dwarfs Willard. Bottom line is he is not doing well in Year 2 and their fan base clearly isn't thrilled with him.
But the agent did get good terms
You are correct. It was 4, but seemed like so much more in the end. As far as close to the tournament, they listed the teams that just missed out on 2010 tournament and we were not even listed. As a result, i would say that is not really close. Finally, in the loss to Marquette, in the postgame Gonzo blamed starting John Garcia (on senior day) as why we got behind big to start the game.
I'm so glad I don't have to listen to what that man says anymore. Now it's comedic relief to read the UMD fans reactions. It's like a time machine.
this. shu fans werent just complainers. there are a dozen variant topics that are carbon copies of what the fans felt here. roll the balls out, cries about schedule, does more with less, miserable in the media, team takes personality of coach, etc etc on and on.
But you will Pat.
Watch for an article from Jerry C tomorrow on his post game chat with KW.
I would agree the court Gonzo's teams were not horrible, they were bubble teams trying to make the tournament. Seton Hall for many years coaches that had bubble teams that might reach the tournament but barely did.
Willard got to the point where they were still bubble teams but that consistently got into the tournament. That is a MONUMENTAL step when it comes to brand notoriety. In saying that it might even be shorting what he did because if COVID doesn't happen that team had the talent to make a deep run. Granted I do think that team was slumping at the wrong time and I do have my speculations but that's for another conversation.
Gonzo had one thing that Willard didnt have and that was the ability to bring emotion to his players. The good news it looks like Sha has the best of both Gonzo and Willard. The issue now is can he overcome the NIL hurdles.
If he can I see good things ahead.
IN SHA WE TRUST
Gonzo also brought emotion to the fan base. When he spoke people thought wow we're really going to beat out Calipari one of these times for a guy like Tyreke Evans. It never happened, probably never was going to happen, but people felt good. I think that's why people look back fondly on the Gonzo years, ignoring the fact he brought in one quality big man in 4 years. He's probably one of the few coaches anywhere in history who took over a program that went to 2 NCAA tournaments in 3 years, went to none in 4 years himself, and people speak positively of. Good for him.
In all honestly I met Gonzo a couple times, he was an absolute pisser. He had me laughing just at how much he talked. I ended up late back to a seminar after lunch because I couldn't end the conversation one day. I just wish it ended better for him here, but it didn't.
We were a bubble team under Gonzalez only if it were larger than the actual field. And Willard wouldn't have touched Player with a 10 ft pol and no one else has, apparently.
Hurley went off after the Butler win Tues. night about how the BE is picking on UCONN with scheduling. Sounds as if Kevin is in good company.
Hurley went off after the Butler win Tues. night about how the BE is picking on UCONN with scheduling. Sounds as if Kevin is in good company.
Again gonzo era much different if glover is elgible, joey cameron doesnt dissappear quickly, melvyn oliver has a successful weight loss journey
LMAO you can say that but you're not saying the Willard era would have been different had Kyle Anderson and the crime stopper show up together. Isaiah Whitehead joins them the next year, Desi doesn't go ice skating in Providence, covid doesn't happen.
Talk about some people looking back on the Gonzo era in blue tinted glasses. The guy was a disaster. Never got to the NCAAT and left the program as the laughing stock of college basketball.
We joke. But Glover was committed to Seton Hall, was with the team for the Blue and White scrimmage on the bench, we were all hoping he would be cleared academically.
It’s not like a player we thought we were going to get and at the last minute took a bag from another school.
He eventually goes onto to play for Iona and be 1st team All MAC 2 years in a row averaging 21 and 11 over those two season.
Ifs and buts….Seton Hall would have been a much different team with Michael Glover eligible to play for 4 years, I don’t doubt that for one minute.
Again most this board and the loyal board members here were all in on the recruitment and openly cheering for gonzo to be head coach at time of vacancy.
