Interesting Student POV
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Yes. A wake up call. They need a wake up call. Respect is a 2 way Street and the students paying 240k for 4 years don't feel respect from the administration, but they should lick boots.
While student makes some good points, he makes like we have gotten worse and/or were terrible each year since he has been here which is just not true.
2021-22 - NCAA Tournament
2022-23 - Not great year, but won 10 games in BE, made NIT
2023-24- Bubble team, exciting year after bad OOC season, probably should have made tourney, won NIT
2024-25- Bad season
This season is terrible so far, but at this point his first three years had decent amount of excitement. Is there a long term downward trend moving forward, maybe/maybe not? One of "good things" about the new college world, a team can rebuild much quicker than in past with instant transfers. Will it happen?
But not much can be done this season, crowds will be sparse, students will not be engaged. We are not the first, or will we be the last P5 team to have a terrible season unfortunately.
2021-22 - NCAA Tournament
2022-23 - Not great year, but won 10 games in BE, made NIT
2023-24- Bubble team, exciting year after bad OOC season, probably should have made tourney, won NIT
2024-25- Bad season
This season is terrible so far, but at this point his first three years had decent amount of excitement. Is there a long term downward trend moving forward, maybe/maybe not? One of "good things" about the new college world, a team can rebuild much quicker than in past with instant transfers. Will it happen?
But not much can be done this season, crowds will be sparse, students will not be engaged. We are not the first, or will we be the last P5 team to have a terrible season unfortunately.
Don't act so dense. You have been around for these discussions before-- but you've always dismissed the gripes.
Because of the shitty on campus life, because of the below average academics, because of the aloof administration, because of the shitty buildings, dorms, classrooms, lack of 21st century thinking, and yes because our flagship sport (which is the ONLY reason anyone outside of NE NJ has ever heard of SHU) is now in the gutter.
So, why should this kid show respect to the admin? Because of a practice facility and a food court that is comparable to many NJ high schools?
Once again, a wake up call - to the AD about basically the only sport we have left at SHU. That many boomers will ignore.
My freshman year we won 28 games, my senior year i think they won 12. Where do I apply for a partial tuition refund?
But this was the change at the top of the flagship program that everyone wanted. When people watched the 2022 run to the elite 8 this was the difference maker that everyone wanted Felt to choose. People were salivating for this change to put us over the top. You were one of them. I bet this young man was high as a kite knowing the change that was coming. The administration got it done. He also did what everyone wanted him to do at the top of the flagship program and as you said it's now in the gutter. Now the administration is the problem? Felt is an easy target, but he's far from the problem. Felt is not responsible for campus life, if you have a problem with that fight for it, but don't go to Felt. Seton Hall needs someone who is not going to recruit any players, but someone who is going to let the assistants run the show while he is out there recruiting our very wealthy alums. They exist and need to be priority #1 of the coach even over recruiting players and X's and O's. And don't start the Seton Hall admin was behind the 8-ball, it's 3 years later and all it takes is 1 guy to put in big money tomorrow and you're back in the game. Go find that guy today, don't wait another 3 years to figure out we need to find him.
I graduated 54 years ago and my 9 years at the Hall (4 at the Prep and 5 at the U) were collectively the best years of my life. And the basketball team during my undergrad years was abominably bad. Richie Regan was a wonderful man, a gem of a human being....but most of his teams were as bad as this year's edition of Pirate basketball. That, though, didnt diminish my wonderful years at Seton Hall.
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Small detail but 95% of the time the paying customers are not the students; it's the parents.
Guess I and all of my millennial coworkers were in that 5% then lol (lived at home until 29 with a job right out of college to pay off my debt)
I guess the rest of what has been discussed will just be ignored by everyone and they will focus on bball instead to minimize what everyone post 2000 keeps saying over and over again.
No point continuing this conversation as the older folks will just continue to ignore the concerns brought up here.
I lived on campus when this article came out. We laughed our asses off wondering who got surveyed to rank us as a top 3 party school.The time frame you bring up is very interesting to me. I still believe the school lost a ton of money at that time. With no inside knowledge on the subject, as an outsider I have to believe the school lost a ton of money from the fire. At that point in time they were cutting many things including athletic programs like wrestling. A family member was applying to Seton Hall at that time and was told think hard about his other choices because Seton Hall is cutting a lot of things right now probably because of money issues, who knows what they'll cut next. Good advice, bad advice is not the point, but it sure seems the people in that time frame didn't enjoy their experience as a whole. School was a top 5 party school before the fire.
FSU, UF named the nation's top 'party schools'
TALLAHASSEE -- Florida State University students can tap a keg in honor of their latest No. 1 ranking -- but maybe they wouldn't need a reason to anyway.www.theledger.com
The campus was known for being a suitcase school. By Friday you could watch the car lineup, to pick up their kids and bring them home for the weekend. The campus was a ghost town. There were no activities organized by the school. Maybe you made your way 6 blocks east of the campus main gate for the $8 all you can drink special at the Hall.
If you lived on campus and didn’t run back home each weekend, you made the most of it. But no thanks to the University creating an atmosphere and no way were we a top 5 party school.
But thank you Princeton review for devaluing the degree I got at the time with that article.
Good to know your view. I was at a wedding about 15 years ago and talking with guys who were on campus around that time they sure as hell talked about it like they had a good time. And based on the way they drank I’m going to say they made the most of it. They also told me about the great 21st birthday of a basketball player right in the middle of campus with tons of vodka.
I'm willing to bet that number's a lot lower than 95%. Maybe a decent amount get some help from their parents but I don't know anyone who had their parents pay all of it.
Maybe I just missed the window. I was 1997-2001.
People were telling stories of keg parties on the green, but that those were subsequently shutdown. I never saw one of those take place while I was there. There was the occasional green gathering where people would sneak 30 packs in duffle bags and attempt to pass them out before campus security would break things up.
And of course we made the most of it. If you wanted to find the isolated parties, you found them. If you wanted to drink stupid amounts of alcohol you did. I want to know what college that is completely non existent.
But the point was, it was not a campus wide atmosphere. Many people chose to leave campus for the weekend. That was a fact. That was the campus culture.
Simply not true. I would put it closer to 30 or 40%. Even then, not many parents who can pay for 100% of their kids college. This may have been true when seton hall was not 60k a year.
OK, my bad. Apparently I am way off in my math and in my assumption. I stand corrected (and now much better informed).
i think people pick schools for a lot of reasons, and they also cross schools off for a lot of reasons. i love sports and if shu didn't have a decent basketball team i'd probably cross it off the list.
but this is typical, instead of listening to a students message everyone bashes him for different reasons.
great so hes entitled. but is he wrong? if the university was smart they would take the high road and listen . but after 20 years i've found they will never, ever, listen.
but this is typical, instead of listening to a students message everyone bashes him for different reasons.
great so hes entitled. but is he wrong? if the university was smart they would take the high road and listen . but after 20 years i've found they will never, ever, listen.
NJ high schools must be pretty impressive these days if our current food court is on par with it. Far, far more options that I had available to me in the early 2000s.
Agreed. The student section is not exactly Cameron Indoor for any games including pre COVID 2019-20 games. It was good then, but students do not support basketball like Cameron, Allen or Louisville.
I wonder what this young man would have done during the first half of P.J.'s tenure.
My four years at Seton Hall were:
9-19 (2-14)
10-18 (1-15)
14-18 (3-13)
15-14 (4-12)
Add it up and that's 48--69 (.410) and 10-54 (.156). And, I missed his first year which was 6-23 (1-15). I know there are some here who have seen as bad.
I, somehow, am past 35 years of being a season ticket holder despite that.
I consider anybody who came to the program after the turn of the century relatively spoiled. Yes, there have been (plenty of) bad years, but nothing like the above.
My four years at Seton Hall were:
9-19 (2-14)
10-18 (1-15)
14-18 (3-13)
15-14 (4-12)
Add it up and that's 48--69 (.410) and 10-54 (.156). And, I missed his first year which was 6-23 (1-15). I know there are some here who have seen as bad.
I, somehow, am past 35 years of being a season ticket holder despite that.
I consider anybody who came to the program after the turn of the century relatively spoiled. Yes, there have been (plenty of) bad years, but nothing like the above.
You don't have to wonder - the student body President called for PJ to be fired, just like most of the fans at that time (probably a bunch of posters on here had the same thought at the time).
I personally don't think things are as bad as the student's message, but to discount the opinion because they didn't live through the 70s and early 80s, is no way to improve a program or University.
The school just went through an 8-9 year period of everything this student wanted and you know what happened….EVERYONE BITCHED the entire time like we have the history or standard of UNC or UCLA.
You can rinse and repeat that too because students and many posters just want to bitch no matter if we’re trending up and ya know the tough times of trending down from a 3 seed to a 4 seed no different than if we are going to potentially win only 4 big east games. You want to bitch about the current situation I get it, but the bitching over the course of the last 8-9 years has made it easier for people to tune it out because we’ve learned people like to complain just to be heard not because their complaints are valid. Sad part is considering how crappy things are right now people were equally as bitchy going to the dance every year.
Interesting take. It’s true that the early 80’s were the some of the worst years record wise in SHU history, but on the flip side of the coin the program reached its peak in the late 80’s early 90’s with some memorable seasons. By contrast, anyone who became a fan after 2000 has seen, at most, two tournament wins.
As someone who started following during the Gonzo years, I get that I’ve seen a relatively successful period of Seton Hall basketball. But still, I am dying to see this team do the one thing that matters in college basketball, making a deep run in March. It’s been nearly 20 years and all I’ve seen is one free throw shooting contest win against NC State in 2018.
I think that is a frustration a lot of older SHU fans don’t understand.
Exactly. We do have some decent student section turnouts but how many? And tickets are free
They’re not listening. A 3-17 BE year might help to get more attention.
I do agree with this. Four NCAA wins since 1993 isn't exact the standard for success most programs have. The 1989 team had five by itself.
But this season is shaping up to be our worst since 1983-84 and many of our fans -- certainly our younger fans -- have not experienced that either.
Usually never, and usually they are right.
I get the frustration. What I don't get is this notion that you think you have a right to say this is a wake up call and demand answers.
its a college student. take the entitlement with a grain of salt. we all like to pretend we weren't similar.
what shouldn't be taken with the grain of salt is the actual message.
You gotta admit, when they did listen, they were so lucky to get the guy who beat Billy Donovan
Those years were awful. Raf winning 18 games and squeezing into the NIT were the high points during that era.
