Interesting Student POV

[hallwins]

There is no one under the age of 50 for whom Seton Hall appeared on their collegiate radar because of basketball, because we’ve been nationally (and really, regionally) irrelevant since the mid-‘90s. A program must register a span (not a single year) of achievement that includes Final Fours, Elite Eights, etc., to gain any traction in the consciousness of prospective students.

That is different than a modestly successful program — the kind that sweats out every Selection Sunday — adding some additional attractive element to a university being considered by local/regional students whose other options are largely other local, non-flagship state universities or regional private schools. Anyone saying basketball was the differentiator for their choice falls primarily in this category. But it’s been three decades or more since our hoops program made anyone outside that market sit up and take notice. This is an important distinction when we consider what role it plays in attracting students.

Completely disagree.
Seton Hall out of the Big East, you will see the negative impact.

 

[SPK145]

The largest enrollment jump at the Hall was after the final four year .

That's not true.

Year = Enrollment
1979 = 10351
1980 = 10295
1981 = 10175
1982 = 9736
1983 = 9324
1984 = 8983
1985 = 8906
1986 = 8789
1987 = 8866
1988 = 8859
1989 = 9250
1990 = 9409
1991 = 9729
1992 = 9876
1993 = 9938
1994 = 9715
1995 = 9630
1996 = 9436
1997 = 9527
1998 = 9772
1999 = 9608
2000 = 9498
2001 = 9604
2002 = 9596
2003 = 9746
2004 = 9823
2005 = 9637
2006 = 9522
2007 = 9574
2008 = 9669
2009 = 9616
2010 = 9836
2011 = 9656
2012 = 9830
2013 = 9903
2014 = 9627
2015 = 9824
2016 = 9836
2017 = 9801
2018 = 10162
2019 = 10219
2020 = 9814
2021 = 9881
2022 = 9623

 

[williaza01]

That's not true.

Year = Enrollment
1979 = 10351
1980 = 10295
1981 = 10175
1982 = 9736
1983 = 9324
1984 = 8983
1985 = 8906
1986 = 8789
1987 = 8866
1988 = 8859
1989 = 9250
1990 = 9409
1991 = 9729
1992 = 9876
1993 = 9938
1994 = 9715
1995 = 9630
1996 = 9436
1997 = 9527
1998 = 9772
1999 = 9608
2000 = 9498
2001 = 9604
2002 = 9596
2003 = 9746
2004 = 9823
2005 = 9637
2006 = 9522
2007 = 9574
2008 = 9669
2009 = 9616
2010 = 9836
2011 = 9656
2012 = 9830
2013 = 9903
2014 = 9627
2015 = 9824
2016 = 9836
2017 = 9801
2018 = 10162
2019 = 10219
2020 = 9814
2021 = 9881
2022 = 9623

I’m pretty sure that is total enrollment.

Undergrad enrollment would be more likely to ebb and flow with basketball success but i don’t know if the original statement is correct with large jump after FF

 

[seton1996]

I’m pretty sure that is total enrollment.

Undergrad enrollment would be more likely to ebb and flow with basketball success but i don’t know if the original statement is correct with large jump after FF

Based on those numbers' enrollment stayed pretty consistent, what probably increased after FF run was number of applications received by SHU. So that should have allowed the school to be more selective in who they admitted into the school.

 

[SPK145]

I’m pretty sure that is total enrollment.

Undergrad enrollment would be more likely to ebb and flow with basketball success but i don’t know if the original statement is correct with large jump after FF

Even less true with undergrads only.

Year = Undergrad
1979 = 6922
1980 = 6843
1981 = 6716
1982 = 6356
1983 = 6009
1984 = 5676
1985 = 5403
1986 = 5316
1987 = 5136
1988 = 5130
1989 = 5333
1990 = 5415
1991 = 5454
1992 = 5446
1993 = 5318
1994 = 5180
1995 = 5084
1996 = 4936
1997 = 4941
1998 = 5131
1999 = 4977
2000 = 4945
2001 = 5113
2002 = 5080
2003 = 5238
2004 = 5414
2005 = 5335
2006 = 5245
2007 = 5187
2008 = 5264
2009 = 5213
2010 = 5301
2011 = 5148
2012 = 5497
2013 = 5839
2014 = 5817
2015 = 6090
2016 = 5956
2017 = 5969
2018 = 6136
2019 = 6102
2020 = 5913
2021 = 6063
2022 = 6012

 

[HALL85]

If applications went up and admissions could be more selective that should also translate into a reduction of subsidies/scholarships the school provides. You would think of this is true about mbb, that the early 90’s would have been the most profitable years.

 

[hallwins]

If applications went up and admissions could be more selective that should also translate into a reduction of subsidies/scholarships the school provides. You would think of this is true about mbb, that the early 90’s would have been the most profitable years.

Not necessarily true for a school like Seton Hall. To get an elite student to attend over the competition, the finances typically have to blow away the competition. Schools like Villanova, BC and Georgetown have many more students paying close to full retail. Seton Hall needs to sell to similarly situated students at closer to wholesale.

 

[HALL85]

Not necessarily true for a school like Seton Hall. To get an elite student to attend over the competition, the finances typically have to blow away the competition. Schools like Villanova, BC and Georgetown have many more students paying close to full retail. Seton Hall needs to sell to similarly situated students at closer to wholesale.

True, but at the end of the day, there is a balance and need to get as many students as you can to pay full boat. You need some of those elite students but you need income too.