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[SnakeTom]

Well I guess it's easy for a celebrity to get people to come to their campaign rally, but it doesn't make up for not having a ground game or organization to get those folks to the polls or in this case caucus sites. The results tonight are a big hit against Trump's chances. Looks like the real battle may be between Cruz and Rubio.

Tom K

 

[HALL85]

More of a good sign for Rubio's momentum than a hit on Trump IMO. Huckabee out....that should help Cruz a bit. Sanders and Clinton tied? Hmmmm...not good

 

[Bobbie Solo]

Feeling that Beeeeerrrrn yet? He's gonna have alot of momentum heading into SC when he wins NH & you couple that with an even split tonight. Feeling real good right now but alot more work to do....SC will be hard to take from Hillary.

 

[Merge]

More of a good sign for Rubio's momentum than a hit on Trump IMO

I don't think one exists without the other.

Rubio got a bounce because Trump took a hit. Skipping the debate was a YUGE misstep by Trump. It absolutely cost him Iowa. Rubio will build off this.

Kind of puts a dent in the "Trump will hire the best people" theory. He had no ground game, so he is either listening to bad advisers or ignoring them. Both options hit him.

 

[Seton75]

I agree that Rubio and Cruz are the big winners. I wonder if the debate hurt Trump, or was it just his Trumpness? Lack of ground game didn't help either. And to think he used to employ Hershel Walker.

It was kind of amazing that he actually challenged Cruz at all, but once he got even, we figured he is gonna do him in, and when he loses, it is worse than when a normal candidate loses.

He better win NH or it can go up in smoke. Someone better tell him he has to tone it down some, like no reason to encourage his audience to beat up the tomato thrower...too much of a Brownshirt image.

 

[SnakeTom]

Trump gets crowds because he is a celebrity. I refer to him as the "talk radio" candidate. Little substance to his positions & he never explains how he will get his promises done. Instead he insults someone and that becomes the media story rather than any details of what he would do. Problem is he has no organization, little think tank positioning but rather just off the cuff statements about what ever comes to mind (like talk radio). He also aimed his appeal at those who rarely ever vote in primaries or in this case partake in caucuses. Yup he was doing real well "before" any votes were cast. Yesterday was a big hit for him and the 25% he got may well be his ceiling. As the lesser candidates withdraw that 25% will look less and less impressive. To me it looks like it will be a 2 horse race between Cruz and Rubio before long.

Hey maybe the kiss of death was that Sarah Palin endorsement - LOL.

Tom K

 

[SnakeTom]

just as an aside regarding crowds showing up to see the celebrity and how little it means in actual votes. Back in 2004 I went to the VFC Concert headlined by Bruce Springsteen to raise money for the John Kerry campaign. The Izod Center was packed & it was an awesome concert, but I noticed that many people there were Republicans who had no intent to vote for Kerry. They were there to see Bruce, John Fogerty, Eddie Vetter & the other performers and could not care less what the admission fee was being used for.

TK

 

[Merge]

He better win NH or it can go up in smoke.

He's 100% done if he loses NH. He is up by 20% there but there will be some rallying around Rubio now. Rubio could make up 20% from Bush, Kasich and Christie pretty easily with some momentum now.

 

[Section112]

I have no idea what will happen going forward but I think Iowa at least on the Repub side hasn't really been a good indicator of anything. Huckabee and Santorum were the last winners so Iowa is probably not a good indicator as to what will happen going forward. But the mold seems to be broken this electrion so who knows.

I'm personnally encouraged that Rubio is gaining steam. I don't like Trump or Cruz but Cruz seems to have a very good organization in place but is probably not electable in the general election. I am also encouraged that Bernie is doing well too. I despise Hillary and her history of lies. While I do not agree with socialist Bernie, he is authentic and he does seem to care about the people. Should be interesting the rest of the way.

 

[Merge]

have no idea what will happen going forward but I think Iowa at least on the Repub side hasn't really been a good indicator of anything. Huckabee and Santorum were the last winners so Iowa is probably not a good indicator as to what will happen going forward.

Iowa isn't predictive but there was a lot in play last night.
Cruz needs evangelicals and Iowa was a primary target for him. If he lost Iowa, his campaign would have effectively been over.

Trump had several missteps regarding Iowa and he probably would have been better off if he stayed out of the state. He took a fairly large lead in the polls there with a week left so he was seen as the front runner. Now people see the holes in his armor. He is all talk but doesn't know how to win an election.

Biggest winner of the night was Rubio. Getting above 20% was a significant sign for him.

Iowa was also one of the few states in play for Bernie. He needed to make a statement and I think he did.
If Hillary won by 5% or so, people who were on the fence about Bernie would start to fall off towards Hillary. Now they can see a viable candidate. He will win NH and could pull out SC as well. Still a long way to go for him but not impossible and much better odds now than a day ago.

 

[Seton75]

Hillary lost a huge lead and should also be seen as a loser, even if she tied for first.

 

[SnakeTom]

Hillary lost a huge lead and should also be seen as a loser, even if she tied for first.

Of course Trump was the big loser last night, but Hillary was also a loser on several fronts. First of all she once again showed that she is not good on the campaign trail as she lost a big early lead just as she did in 2008. And maybe even more important the emergence of Rubio who is probably one of the very few Republicans that may be able to defeat Hillary in the general election.

Tom K

 

[SPK145]

Little substance to his positions & he never explains how he will get his promises done.

Herein lies a big problem with our political process: The president isn't suppose to make law or get promises done. His job as Chief Executive is to faithfully execute the laws, not make them. That is suppose to be the job of the legislative body. This cult of presidency that started YEARS ago and has gotten progressively worse is a major part of the dissatisfaction with the federal government.

Need an executive who can lead by bringing factions together, not divide as we've seen so commonly in recent times.

Trump, Cruz, Clinton, or Sanders making law via fiat as we see now?

Do away with executive actions.

 

[Seton75]

Herein lies a big problem with our political process: The president isn't suppose to make law or get promises done. His job as Chief Executive is to faithfully execute the laws, not make them. That is suppose to be the job of the legislative body. This cult of presidency that started YEARS ago and has gotten progressively worse is a major part of the dissatisfaction with the federal government.

Need an executive who can lead by bringing factions together, not divide as we've seen so commonly in recent times.

Trump, Cruz, Clinton, or Sanders making law via fiat as we see now?

Do away with executive actions.

If Hillary gets elected, repub house members would lose reelection if they cooperated with her. In this environment, don't count on it getting better. And nothing says the dems will be any better if a repub wins.

 

[Bobbie Solo]

for you religious types who might be into Cruz...shocker, he's a bit of a hypocrite & a phony:

 

[Section112]

for you religious types who might be into Cruz...shocker, he's a bit of a hypocrite & a phony:

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Ahh a liberal labeling someone else just like the liberals say you should not do. Excellent!
PS// I am not into Cruz either just making a point about the hpocritical time in which we live. Stay above the fray Bobbie! "for you religious types"??? Common dude.

 

[Bobbie Solo]

I didn't realize that was insulting. I def. didn't mean anything by it. I thought those that are religious would find this interesting since Cruz' faith is a huge part of his appeal and his win last night. You can read it as "For those of you that are religious on here & like Cruz" if that helps. So silly.

 

[SnakeTom]

Herein lies a big problem with our political process: The president isn't suppose to make law or get promises done. His job as Chief Executive is to faithfully execute the laws, not make them. That is suppose to be the job of the legislative body. This cult of presidency that started YEARS ago and has gotten progressively worse is a major part of the dissatisfaction with the federal government.

Need an executive who can lead by bringing factions together, not divide as we've seen so commonly in recent times.

Trump, Cruz, Clinton, or Sanders making law via fiat as we see now?

Do away with executive actions.

Sounds like you want a figurehead Chief Executive such as Queen Elizabeth. Well I can't agree with that nor has that ever been the case in the United States. The President is supposed to be the leader and set the tone for our government.

TK

 

[SnakeTom]

Ahh a liberal labeling someone else just like the liberals say you should not do. Excellent!
PS// I am not into Cruz either just making a point about the hpocritical time in which we live. Stay above the fray Bobbie! "for you religious types"??? Common dude.

It seems to me that all the candidates do this to one degree or another and hold themselves out to be things that they are not in order to lure votes from one special interest group or another.

Tom K

 

[Section112]

It seems to me that all the candidates do this to one degree or another and hold themselves out to be things that they are not in order to lour votes from one special interest group or another.

Tom K

Yup. Do what I say not what I do.

 

[SPK145]

Sounds like you want a figurehead Chief Executive such as Queen Elizabeth. Well I can't agree with that nor has that ever been the case in the United States. The President is supposed to be the leader and set the tone for our government.

TK

That's not what I would want but rather someone who can lead the nation through limited, enumerated powers.

Sounds like you want or are looking for an all-knowing/maybe benevolent dictator?

 

[Seton75]

Bobbie Solo is just saying the same thing Carson is saying.