Iran

[SHUMatt]

I'm not in favor in getting involved in any wars. If we can avoid it, we should. With that said, Iran is the main sponsor of terrorism around the world. They have burned our flags and chanted death to America for decades. Given the chance, they would do anything in their power to hurt us.

Side note: Iran bombed a hospital in Israel last night. For anyone saying that Israel has been doing that for months. Israel is not hiding their military in hospitals like the cowardly terrorists are.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

I'm not in favor in getting involved in any wars. If we can avoid it, we should. With that said, Iran is the main sponsor of terrorism around the world. They have burned our flags and chanted death to America for decades. Given the chance, they would do anything in their power to hurt us.

Side note: Iran bombed a hospital in Israel last night. For anyone saying that Israel has been doing that for months. Israel is not hiding their military in hospitals like the cowardly terrorists are.

The US and its policies has directly influenced how Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan have pivoted since the mid 1960s...military industrial complex, neocon

 

[HALL85]

I'm not in favor in getting involved in any wars. If we can avoid it, we should. With that said, Iran is the main sponsor of terrorism around the world. They have burned our flags and chanted death to America for decades. Given the chance, they would do anything in their power to hurt us.

Side note: Iran bombed a hospital in Israel last night. For anyone saying that Israel has been doing that for months. Israel is not hiding their military in hospitals like the cowardly terrorists are.

Agree with this take. Iran proxies have also been attacking freighters in the shipping lanes. Israel believes they are a direct threat. October 7th proved that as they supported Hamas. They need to protect their people from threats as they see fit. I don’t want to see us enter this war. Perhaps we are providing intel which is aiding Israel, but it’s up to them to finish the job.

 

[SPK145]

I don't have any problem with the U.S. using its bunker-busting bombs to take out Iran's nuclear sites but don't want to see any further involvement. The U.S. and its interests are directly threatened by Iran and this would be doing the world a favor. Then let Israel finish the job.

Need regime change but you need the new regime ready to take over, which is not the case. This will lead to a vacuum populated by others with bad intentions.

 

[SHUMatt]

I don't have any problem with the U.S. using its bunker-busting bombs to take out Iran's nuclear sites but don't want to see any further involvement. The U.S. and its interests are directly threatened by Iran and this would be doing the world a favor. Then let Israel finish the job.

Need regime change but you need the new regime ready to take over, which is not the case. This will lead to a vacuum populated by others with bad intentions.

I agree but believe if we use our bunker busters, they will retaliate. They may attack our bases in the area or use terror attacks on our own soil. We know they are here. That can lead to an all out war or even WWIII

 

[SPK145]

I agree but believe if we use our bunker busters, they will retaliate. They may attack our bases in the area or use terror attacks on our own soil. We know they are here. That can lead to an all out war or even WWIII

Certainly could happen but they do a lot of talking without substance. And this just perpetuates letting Iran continue it's terrorist ways. Time to put a stop to it.

 

[cernjSHU]

I don't have any problem with the U.S. using its bunker-busting bombs to take out Iran's nuclear sites but don't want to see any further involvement. The U.S. and its interests are directly threatened by Iran and this would be doing the world a favor. Then let Israel finish the job.

Need regime change but you need the new regime ready to take over, which is not the case. This will lead to a vacuum populated by others with bad intentions.

Tough to mange that one.

This one foot in the pool, one foot out of the pool only leads to disaster. It just doesn't work. If the US employs bunker busting bombs, then you have to go all the way. Because Iran and most of her allies will have viewed the US as going all the way.
I have said this in previous posts. If you have gone this far with Israel, then you u go all the way and take out the Ayatollah and have regime change., I agree, that the US better have people that are pro western ready to take over and are in with the plan. Otherwise you risk a far more radical islamist fundamentalist group to take over, i.e. ISIS in Iraq. Then the US is in far worse shape.

Otherwise, you need to negotiate out of this mess. The problem is that the US credibility with Iran is not there with how this all went down. But, maybe, because Israel just knocked the shit out of Iran, they are more willing to negotiate. Let's face it, no one wants to go to war. It would mean the end of Trump politically and the Ayatollah. This region cannot have anymore instability.

Curious question is that Putin has been awfully quiet during this. HAs a deal been struck, Russia do what you want to Ukraine and the US can do what it wants to Iran?

 

[Robot_Man]

Side note: Iran bombed a hospital in Israel last night. For anyone saying that Israel has been doing that for months. Israel is not hiding their military in hospitals like the cowardly terrorists are.

Spurious claims about terrorists hiding in hospitals to justify war crimes. At least 94% of hospitals in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed, according to the WHO. A purposeful annihilation of their healthcare infrastructure to accelerate the genocide.

But now you care that a hospital was bombed.

 

[SPK145]

This one foot in the pool, one foot out of the pool only leads to disaster. It just doesn't work.

Yet that is exactly what you want in Ukraine, no?

 

[SHUMatt]

Spurious claims about terrorists hiding in hospitals to justify war crimes. At least 94% of hospitals in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed, according to the WHO. A purposeful annihilation of their healthcare infrastructure to accelerate the genocide.

But now you care that a hospital was bombed.

Are you saying Hamas is not hiding in hospitals and schools?

And to your smartass remark, yes I care about innocent lives in hospitals. I don't care about the terrorists hiding behind civilians.

 

[Rockaway]

Iran has become militarily a paper tiger who will soon run out of misslles.They have no Air Force and would be wiped out in a ground invasion.Drop the buster and tell them any terror strikes against US will be retailed 10x and Aytollah will be killed.

 

[cernjSHU]

Yet that is exactly what you want in Ukraine, no?

We have no involvement except to arming Ukraine. Ukraine does the fighting. We have do not. What I want is to fully arm Ukraine so that they can fight the Russians from an aggressor.

That’s is way different from bombing a foreign nation and then saying ok we are out now. Once you bomb that nation, ur in.

These comparisons are quite poor. You ar better than this.

 

[cernjSHU]

We have no involvement except to arming Ukraine. Ukraine does the fighting. We have do not. What I want is to fully arm Ukraine so that they can fight the Russians from an aggressor.

That’s is way different from bombing a foreign nation and then saying ok we are out now. Once you bomb that nation, ur in. These comparisons are quite poor. You are better than this.

I just find it funny that all the peaceniks here of wanting the stop funding Ukraine are all for bombing Iran. This includes u too SPK. Well they are all for it u til Trump changes his mind and then they will somehow justify Trump’s reversal.

 

[SPK145]

I just find it funny that all the peaceniks here of wanting the stop funding Ukraine are all for bombing Iran.

A one-time bombing of their nuclear facilties, not full engagement. We've done this many times before.

Iran is a direct physical threat to the U.S. Russia is not.
Ukraine is corrupt. Israel is our best ally.

 

[Robot_Man]

Are you saying Hamas is not hiding in hospitals and schools?

Yes. The Israeli government lies routinely to justify everything. Remember the beheaded babies claim during October 7th? A complete lie. They've been caught lying numerous times about their responsibility on the killing of journalist Shireen Abu Akleh (an American citizen). Among many other examples.

I'm sure their justification for launching this unprovoked attack on Iran was based on their own fabricated intelligence that no one else has reviewed. America's own assessments have concluded that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon. Tulsi Gabbard told Congress this less than three months ago.



Why would you ever believe anything the Israeli government says?

 

[batts]

A one-time bombing of their nuclear facilties, not full engagement. We've done this many times before.

Iran is a direct physical threat to the U.S. Russia is not.
Ukraine is corrupt. Israel is our best ally.

I've heard the above repeated quite often, but I have never seen any evidence of Israel being an ally of the US. In fact, Israel has caused much of the Arab world to hate us. We pump billions in aide and arms into Israel. What exactly do we get in return from Israel?

 

[SPK145]

We pump billions in aide and arms into Israel. What exactly do we get in return from Israel?

We shouldn't be pumping aid and arms to anyone.

 

[cernjSHU]

A one-time bombing of their nuclear facilties, not full engagement. We've done this many times before.

Iran is a direct physical threat to the U.S. Russia is not.
Ukraine is corrupt. Israel is our best ally.

Russia is not a threat? A nation with multiple intercontinental ballistic nuclear missiles is not a threat? But a country that does not have one single nuclear a bomb is. Russia that has a murderous aggressive dictator that invades neighboring countries is not a threat? Oh wait. Isn’t one of Russia’s close allies is Iran? Please tell me when Russia was not a physical threat to the US? Was it under Reagan, Bush, was Romney wrong in 2012? Please tell me when this changed? This would be news to most of us.

Israel is not a corrupt country? You have to be kidding me. Netanyahu is as corrupt as they come. Netenyahu is engaging in war to avoid his own corruption of secretly funding Hamas through Qatar. Or why did it take the IDF 10 hours to respond to October 7? Did Netanyahu secretly allowed that massacre to occur to justify his stance since then? Or how about the amount of spying Israel does against their great ally the Unites States. Go look up the amount of Americans caught stealing of top secret information on behalf of Israel. Damn. That was one naive post.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/12/israel-white-house-spying-devices-1491351

 

[williaza01]

Iran has become militarily a paper tiger who will soon run out of misslles.They have no Air Force and would be wiped out in a ground invasion.Drop the buster and tell them any terror strikes against US will be retailed 10x and Aytollah will be killed.

I’ve never posted on this part of the forum..but this comment…wow…might be the most inaccurate or misjudged comment of all time

Strike or not strike..debate that all you want,.I have my opinions but don’t need them on a message board but this comment is WILD

 

[HALL85]

Russia is not our greatest threat by far. Three years and they are still mucking it up in Ukraine. They are a significant threat to Europe which would have implications here, but China is by far our greatest threat What happens when they surround Taiwan with a blockade? They are already predicting that Australia is at risk in the next three years. Their military strength dwarfs ours.

 

[chickenbox]

Iran, we're just going to drop the largest-ever non-nuclear bombs to be used in history on you, but that's it! No hard feelings and don't get any funny ideas.

 

[SPK145]

Russia is not a threat? A nation with multiple intercontinental ballistic nuclear missiles is not a threat? But a country that does not have one single nuclear a bomb is. Russia that has a murderous aggressive dictator that invades neighboring countries is not a threat? Oh wait. Isn’t one of Russia’s close allies is Iran? Please tell me when Russia was not a physical threat to the US? Was it under Reagan, Bush, was Romney wrong in 2012? Please tell me when this changed? This would be news to most of us.

Israel is not a corrupt country? You have to be kidding me. Netanyahu is as corrupt as they come. Netenyahu is engaging in war to avoid his own corruption of secretly funding Hamas through Qatar. Or why did it take the IDF 10 hours to respond to October 7? Did Netanyahu secretly allowed that massacre to occur to justify his stance since then? Or how about the amount of spying Israel does against their great ally the Unites States. Go look up the amount of Americans caught stealing of top secret information on behalf of Israel. Damn. That was one naive post.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/12/israel-white-house-spying-devices-1491351

Russia is no threat militarily to the U.S. None. They’ve never attacked us or any of our interests. Geopolitically yes, militarily no.

Iran on the other hand???

 

[cernjSHU]

Russia is no threat militarily to the U.S. None. They’ve never attacked us or any of our interests. Geopolitically yes, militarily no.

Iran on the other hand???

Who backs Iran? That would be Russia.
Glad you gave up on what country is more corrupt.

 

[SPK145]

Who backs Iran? That would be Russia.
Glad you gave up on what country is more corrupt.

Yeah, all countries are corrupt.

You still want to allow Iran to terrorize the U.S./world with impunity.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

A one-time bombing of their nuclear facilties, not full engagement. We've done this many times before.

Iran is a direct physical threat to the U.S. Russia is not.
Ukraine is corrupt. Israel is our best ally.

SPK neocon political perspective

 

[SPK145]

SPK neocon political perspective

If I was a neocon, wouldn't I want full engagement in Iran and Ukraine?

 

[cernjSHU]

Yeah, all countries are corrupt.

You still want to allow Iran to terrorize the U.S./world with impunity.

Financially enabling the terrorist group that you oppose so much to keep them in power so there won’t be a two state solution is at the very top of corruption. Not to mention the very real possibility of allowing a massacre of your own people to occur.

Also who said I was against the bombing. I am just keep on pointing out the hypocrisy of most of the posters.also pointing out your justifications to differentiate between Iran and Ukraine here are total BS.

 

[Shaheton]

Absolutely true. I don’t have a clue how Trump operates. Just admit that you don’t nor does anyone else.

So what’s the substantive point here?

CERN says Israel is not a “true friend” to USA

I get it, Iran is defending itself on Oct 7

Tough to mange that one.

This one foot in the pool, one foot out of the pool only leads to disaster. It just doesn't work. If the US employs bunker busting bombs, then you have to go all the way. Because Iran and most of her allies will have viewed the US as going all the way.
I have said this in previous posts. If you have gone this far with Israel, then you u go all the way and take out the Ayatollah and have regime change., I agree, that the US better have people that are pro western ready to take over and are in with the plan. Otherwise you risk a far more radical islamist fundamentalist group to take over, i.e. ISIS in Iraq. Then the US is in far worse shape.

Otherwise, you need to negotiate out of this mess. The problem is that the US credibility with Iran is not there with how this all went down. But, maybe, because Israel just knocked the shit out of Iran, they are more willing to negotiate. Let's face it, no one wants to go to war. It would mean the end of Trump politically and the Ayatollah. This region cannot have anymore instability.

Curious question is that Putin has been awfully quiet during this. HAs a deal been struck, Russia do what you want to Ukraine and the US can do what it wants to Iran?

US credibility with Iran. Another great point.

 

[Rockaway]

Williaza 01 this board is for the rough and tumble you should stick to non political boards where your sensibilities won’t get bruised.

 

[cernjSHU]

So what’s the substantive point here?

CERN says Israel is not a “true friend” to USA

I get it, Iran is defending itself on Oct 7

US credibility with Iran. Another great point.

If you can’t see that I am pointing out the hypocrisy of posters on their stances perhaps you don’t recognize that you may be a hypocrite as well. That went to SpK’s justification of endorsing the bombing in Iran but not supporting Giving arms to Ukraine. I thought that was pretty clear.

Try to keep up.

 

[SPK145]

If you can’t see that I am pointing out the hypocrisy of posters on their stances perhaps you don’t recognize that you may be a hypocrite as well. That went to SpK’s justification of endorsing the bombing in Iran but not supporting Giving arms to Ukraine. I thought that was pretty clear.

Try to keep up.

Nothing hypocritical about going after Iran, a direct threat to the U.S., in a targeted, limited bombing (which we've done many times before) vs. not supplying Ukraine with a huge cache of weapons that only results in many more deaths in Ukraine and Russia, a non-threat to the U.S.

You want to appease Iran but continue to cause many deaths in Ukraine and Russia. I wonder why? Perhaps because of under whose U.S. regime's both started? Outright hypocrisy? Both?

 

[cernjSHU]

Nothing hypocritical about going after Iran, a direct threat to the U.S., in a targeted, limited bombing (which we've done many times before) vs. not supplying Ukraine with a huge cache of weapons that only results in many more deaths in Ukraine and Russia, a non-threat to the U.S.

You want to appease Iran but continue to cause many deaths in Ukraine and Russia. I wonder why? Perhaps because of under whose U.S. regime's both started? Outright hypocrisy? Both?

I don’t know how clear I have to be. I have supported if you go this far, you have to do regime change. No hypocrisy. I Support Israel and Ukraine. Where do I advocate appeasing Iran. On the contrary I actually called for regime change and Trump should have allowed Israel to take the Ayatollah out.
Is that appeasing Iran?? I am consistent. U are not. I am also not blind to think there is some juvenile type of justification to differentiate support on Israel because they are not corrupt and Ukraine is.m

I have the ability to support Israel and at the same time to recognize some of the outright ridiculous corruption of that regime.

 

[shu09]

Spurious claims about terrorists hiding in hospitals to justify war crimes. At least 94% of hospitals in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed, according to the WHO. A purposeful annihilation of their healthcare infrastructure to accelerate the genocide.

But now you care that a hospital was bombed.

Oh look, our pro-Hamas, pro-Iran terrorist sympathizer is back.

 

[shu09]

Iran is a direct physical threat to the U.S. Russia is not.

How so?

 

[Rockaway]

We have soldiers in the area that is threat Iran poses to our troops.

 

[The_Hall]

What was the “initial promise”?

to exit endless war (russia). which US is paying for unessecarily

 

[cernjSHU]

Here is another prediction of what will happen in Iran. Trump will not bomb and there will be some negotiation. He will TACO it.

And all of you who have advocated bombing will suddenly turn around and say oh Trump was right for not bombing. He is a master negotiator.

 

[SHallguy2]

An important point to consider. Iran’s largest customer for oil is China. War in this region is going to seriously disrupt China’s economy. The supreme leader may have a deal with China. Dropping a bomb may have a much bigger impact than many believe.

 

[cernjSHU]

An important point to consider. Iran’s largest customer for oil is China. War in this region is going to seriously disrupt China’s economy. The supreme leader may have a deal with China. Dropping a bomb may have a much bigger impact than many believe.

Well, China may be their biggest customer, China gets most of its oil elsewhere. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61843

China needs the US and the US needs China. This co-dependent economic relationship is the reason why neither country will go against each other militarily.

 

[HALL85]

China needs the US and the US needs China. This co-dependent economic relationship is the reason why neither country will go against each other militarily.

I think that’s a rather naive view. If China ever felt they had much more significant leverage (economic and military strength) they would use it to their advantage to cripple the U.S..