Iran
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I struggle? You make me laugh. You have no comprehension whatsoever. Trump has used the words war himself. He stated there are other sites to attack and now he has talked about regime change. So really, is talking about the possibility of troops on the ground so out there? Perhaps your brain can’t comprehend the possibilities but I sure do. So do enlighten us, what’s the other targets Trump is talking about? How do you think how will he accomplish regime change now? By wishing it away?
Trump has never mentioned troop deployment and why would we? The only way the U.S. engages further is if Iran targets one of our bases. The targets would be launching sites.
I have no issue with him suggesting a regime change but that’s up to the people of Iran.
but isn't this exactly what you do? defend his every move. he's skirting congress, talking about declaration of independence civil war, the GOP themselves are up in arms, and hes pushing towards another endless war he's supposed to get out of.
you are perceiving people blaming him frequently because he's out in the media every two seconds as an obnoxious asshole. who says insane lies and now is just as soupy as biden.
the real trump derangement syndrome is defending his every move. so far up his ass that when you can't explain it you just cite "it's all a distraction." it's not. if the guys own camp is criticize him , maybe just maybe it's valid. but you're aligned to literally anything he does or says.
You are absolutely wrong here. shu09 has been critical of Trump on numerous occasions so you’re argument falls apart right there.
You have a problem if someone agrees with anything Trump may say or do. 09 doesn’t “defend every move”; but you do criticize his every move. That’s ultimately what TDS is.
Think about the enemy right now, not exactly the type of people you shake hands with and know you can trust them. They change their minds daily, hourly. They say things they don’t mean and keep you guessing for years, decades. You don’t talk/negotiate with people from Iran the same way as you would someone in America or Italy. In my opinion you keep them guessing, back on their heels, stay on offense. They have no idea what Trump is going to do and neither do any of us. That’s a good thing. Understand anything you hear on the news is subject to change.
That's on full display in this thread. I think it is fair to say that some people do jump to criticize Trump quickly, but the opposite is also true that some give him a pass when the criticism is warranted.
Many here who usually take anti interventionalist foreign policy positions, and who rationalized support for Trump because he kept us out of wars can't even criticize him for joining a war between Israel and Iran? He was supposed to be the guy to find deals and negotiate our way out of wars. Where was the coalition building on this? What was the imminent threat posted to the US here? Iran poses very little risk to the US. The people who have been against sending billions to Ukraine are all for sending billions to Israel AND bombing another country on their behalf?
I am against sending billions to Ukraine, I am against sending billions to Israel, I was all for bombing nuclear sites in Iran. We are not at war with Iran anymore than the all the other times U.S. presidents have order surgical strikes, less we forget all those times, so no coalition was needed for this mission. Further involvement other than surgical strikes needs congressional approval.
What is the threat/risk from Russia to the U.S. that makes you support our never ending war by proxy against them?
There’s a big difference. Many in this thread who supported the bombing of the nuclear facilities, like SPK and shu09, have been critical of Trump on numerous occasions and issues. One the other hand posters on this thread are critical of Trump for EVERYTHING he does and go off on people that agree on a particular position as a Trump loyalist. It’s really silly.
You are dismissing the time factor in that discussion. Most people were in favor of supporting Ukraine, financially at the start of the war. The disagreement is in how long and for how much? Committing to support the war for an infinite amount of time and money should be debated.
The coalition building would not have been for the strikes, but to avoid them.
Providing aid / defense is not the same as the US flying in and dropping bombs.
I would be in favor of the US defending Israel, though I think Israel getting aggressive towards others is putting US at a higher risk of retaliation.
I am in favor of providing aid to Ukraine so they can defend themselves (different than US assisting in the defense) but that also does not mean that everything Ukraine does is correct either. I think Ukraine needs to be willing to give up something in exchange to end the war and I don't believe they have been willing to do so.
aka Trump Derangement Syndrome. They have no response to your post other than mental gymnastics.
It is almost virtually the same as a surgical strike. Even results in more war and death than surgical strikes.
I'd disagree there. A nuclear threat to Israel is surely a threat, but is mitigated by the fact that if Iran did decide to actually drop a nuke, the US would turn Iran into a parking lot. Israel and the US are not safer than we were two weeks ago, probably less so given the risk of retaliation and Iran just targeted a US base in Qatar today. Thank God it seems they didn't land, but if any of them do, this will escalate quite a bit.
Thankfully the missle attacks to our base in Qatar was a total dud.
On another front, you would hope that the Iranian people take note of what is happening in Syria. Thus far the transitional government is following through and foreign investment is streaming in from multiple Arab and EU countries. Also addressing human rights issues.
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/23/trump-iran-israel-ceasefire
I guess they got the Ayatollah out of his bunker long enough to agree to a truce.
I guess they got the Ayatollah out of his bunker long enough to agree to a truce.
Haha, too funny. You aren't too bright. Once again, Trump is playing chess while you fail to understand him because you hate him so much for some reason.
Iran choreographs a missile strike to show it's people that it did "something," when in reality it wasn't much at all. Now we have a ceasefire framework. Trump is a deal maker. He knows who has the leverage, or the cards as he says. In this case, it was the US and Israel.
But go on, keep hating and keep whining about everything he does. My advice to you is to stop - it's bad for your mental health. But you and I both know you won't.
Stop reading Democratic talking points and statements, which are only designed to distract and scare people. Trump never said he was pushing towards another endless war - in fact, the opposite is true. He said this was a one shot strike and now is the time for peace. Looks like he got his away as there is a framework for ceasefire.
Early intel says strikes did not obliterate nuclear sites as Trump has been boasting.
ceasefire working great. telling the middle east to ceasefire has always worked historically! no cause to think a war in the middle east would be endless.
it's not a democratic talking point it's common sense. maybe stop listening to trump talking points, because he talks nonsense 100% of the time.
Looks like the one strike didn’t “obliterate” the site as dear leader bragged. Should we do some more bombing if the first run failed?
If the bunker busters didn’t do the job, than Iran is free to move ahead with their program knowing they took USA fastball.
Maybe the Trump brokered ceasefire actually does more good for Iran than Israel.
Looks like you're happy that it wasn't as successful (if these assessments are true) as some might have said. A real patriot you are....
I remember when you were a Bush Republican, anti-Obama, etc. My, how things have changed.
Being a patriot doesn’t mean blindly cheering for Trump like you. You dodged my original question though- if the first strike wasn’t successful, do you bomb again? Or just declare victory and move on?
this isn't whataboutism. i'm explaining how your point is wrong. it's not a democratic talking point. the things i mentioned happened. GOP media was using it as a talking point. meanwhile, what trump said hasn't happened. now he's going senile mental because he's realizing israel is playing him like a fiddle.
I don't blindly cheer for Trump. Do I agree more often with him than not? Yes. I voted for him in 2024 and 2020. Did not vote for him in 2016. I have balance in my views, unlike you who criticizes every single thing he does and actively roots for him to fail. I will never understand how people can hate one man so much. What did he ever do to you? I've disagreed with many a president, but i've never outright hated one like so many hate this one.
Seems as if this strike was marginally successful as at the very worst it will set Iran back a few months. That should be the end of our involvement. We chipped in to help, let Israel finish the job covertly or militarily down the road.
Zohran Mamdani's performance in this primary is pretty good for a guy with supposedly no message.
Get out of the cities if you haven't already, they are so far gone and radicalized. Cuomo is corrupt and did an awful job as NY governor, but he's the far better candidate here. The nation's largest city electing a socialist is frightening.
There is no victory yet, even if it was demolished. It’s about what’s next. The Iranian defense system (which was never strong) has been decimated. The Israelis and U.S. showed how effective it can be.
It’s really now how Iran responds. The Ayatollah is on shaky ground. We could see another Syria-type regime change. All of the imprisoned dissidents have been released. If somehow the Ayatollah survives and tries to reboot the nuclear program, he will know the consequences.
Both parties don’t want Iran to develop a nuclear capability. I’m rooting for this strategy to work. Are you?
A horrendous slate of candidates. NYC will get what they deserve….yet again.
He’s corrupt garbage. What did he do to me? He used a mob to attack our capital. He’s a traitor just based on that. I voted for him twice, I was never anti-Trump.
I’m not sure how you can walk away at this point if it was so important to drop the bombs in the first run. Washing your hands and wishing it away doesn’t seem like a sound strategy.
Nice deflection. Your non-answer tells me you are okay with Irans continuing to develop a nuclear capability and supporting terrorist activitiess.
I’m rooting for a strategy that puts American interests first, not one where we act as a tool for Israel’s goals. You keep throwing out hypotheticals, but never answer the core question: if this strike didn’t work, do you bomb again? How far do you go?
You keep equating disagreement with warmongering as being pro-Iran. That’s lazy. I don’t want Iran with nukes either. I just don’t think endless strikes and proxy wars are the smartest path to stop it.
