Isaiah Coleman retains agency for NIL Representation
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Gtown, SJU, Louisville and auburn would be who my mind goes to immediately. Willard nor Hurley would ever poach a player from Sha.
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If Coleman leaves can we please clear house. Felt Lyons whoever else. That would be 3 yrs in a row of losing best player.
Yea. If Coleman is not retained and Felt and Lyons are not fired, I wont not be donating any more money. Once they are gone I will happily reconsider, as I love my team. They have clearly proved they can’t handle the money given to them anyways. My little donations don’t matter anyways, I have never felt too “in the loop” with NIL.
Let him go. He is getting burnt by these Marq guards… he would not start on any of the upper BE teams…. Just a mediocre player on a bad team
We are going to have to pay him.He is the only BEstarter we have for next year.The other guys are rotation players until they prove consistently otherwise.We're going to need the $$$ for 4 other BE starters.Heaven help us!
Pitino and Cooley are total snakes.Right that Hurley would never poach from Sha. Willard's papa Pitino did, such a dirty game now.
If we had a player Hurley really wanted he would take him in two seconds.
Somewhat different scenario, but if you believe our boards we had Sanago signed, sealed and delivered, only for Kimani and Hurley to swoop in at the last minute and steal him.
Perhaps you think that’s a typical all is fair in recruiting scenario and he would draw a line for a kid actually on our team.
I just don’t see it. It’s not personal. It’s the business and he wants to win games. If Cam Spencer was in the Pirates instead of Rutgers two years ago, I have no doubt Hurley would have taken a kid who was the missing link to their back to back title quest. As it is, he took him from a place he coached (RU) and a coach affiliated with UConn (Pike) who I’m sure he knows.
Cooley, btw, is apparently a mentor to Sha. Dan posted here a while back that Cooley was someone Sha spoke with often when he took the job, as EC makes it a point to support young AA head coaches.
And Pitino has done nothing but publicly try to help Sha so everyone thinks this disaster of a year doesn’t fall on him or hurt his reputation.
Less agent and more work on your game IC. Your D needs lots of work
I think it depends on the situation. I don’t think Danny is saying leave Seton Hall come to UConn. But if a SHU player is in a bidding war with other schools, let’s say SJU and Georgetown, and everyone knows he’s leaving SHU, I see Hurley getting involved. But I wouldn’t call it poaching considering the player is leaving here anyway.
“He’s always been like a brother of mine, somebody who I cheer for all the time,” Providence coach Ed Cooley said. “I check in on him and talk to him about just his headspace. There’s only so much headspace we have up there and it could be occupied when you take over a program like Seton Hall, who’s gonna have high expectations. They expect to be a Big East champion and a national champion.”
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I couldn't agree with this more.
At Seton Hall we need 1 Myles Powell, Kadary Richmond or Whitehead type. I don't know what the funds will allow but if it allows I'd rather spend $1 million on a player who can absolutely take over the game than 500K on 2 good players.
This is where I'm at with IC. He is a very good second or third option. He absolutely cant be our best (highest paid) player.
Since there is now a dollar sign on each of these guys we need to look at comparisons just like real estate..
Let's take st johns. Where would Coleman fall if he was currently on st johns?
My guess is 7th man.
What's the 7th man get on st johns?
Regardless of how you rate Coleman, bringing him back is an absolute must. For starters, he’s the bird in hand. We know for certain that he’s at worst a top 15 returning BE player who can excel under Shaheen. He has upside for more, but that’s his floor. We won’t find that level of certainty in the portal. He’s also someone the fans have developed an attachment to. He’s someone to root for.
Second, the school really needs to send a message that they are serious about playing big time basketball. They've failed miserably on that front two years in a row, to the point of being publicly mocked by the national media. If it happens again (and losing Coleman would be a terrible start), the Pru will be a ghost town next year. The fans will not stick around if they think it’s hopeless.
Second, the school really needs to send a message that they are serious about playing big time basketball. They've failed miserably on that front two years in a row, to the point of being publicly mocked by the national media. If it happens again (and losing Coleman would be a terrible start), the Pru will be a ghost town next year. The fans will not stick around if they think it’s hopeless.
The optics of once again losing our best player aren't good, but i dont want to be forced into keeping him as our top guy just because it looks bad. You can still send a message that you are serious about playing big time ball without trying to build a team around a guy (and paying him as such) that just doesn't seem suited to it (to me at least).
That’s only one reason to keep him. Again, portal players are inherently more risky. Look at AJ Storr. Crushed and Wiscy, sucks at Kansas. Myles Rice crushed at Wazzu, sucks at Indy. Maheney crushed at SMC, sucks at UConn. There’s dozens of more examples.
Coleman is a known commodity at SHU. That’s worth a lot to a budget constrained school that cannot afford to miss on their big spends.
This.
And with better players he doesn't have to try and be all of our offense and he will play differently. This year is an anomaly and with better players he can let the game come to him and focus more on defense. We need to keep him and build around him with a shooter, another PG and Center.
If we learned one thing from this year is that you cannot let talent and production walk out the door. Zay is talented and productive. You do whatever you can to keep him and go from there. The other players that fit one of those two categories are Prince, Scotty, Felton and Godswill.
On another note and I may get laughed at for this, but I'd take another flyer on Yalden. He is basically playing his first season of college basketball who IIRC had illness at the beginning of the year that affected his conditioning. He looks like he has good fundamentals and plays hard, so I would get him with a trainer over the summer a strict diet and a regimen of HIIT/Weight training and see what happens.
Or go to the Colonial League under the guise (or not a guise....) of concentrating on academics. Wonder if the Colonial would take us?
Are we saying Tyrese was best player? Or are you just exaggerating to make a point?
Was thinking the same thing about Sanogo. Boy did we blow it there. UConn and Danny swooped in like vultures. Our fault though, letting him slip through our fingers and that dope Tony Skin wanting Long over you know who cost us at least a sweet 16 run. One of the worst, most depressing recruiting years I can ever remember.
People are crazy if you think we’re going to be getting a player better than Coleman next year. He’s borderline out of our price range now and our hope is the fact he’s currently a pirate sways him to stay.
You think we’re getting a better player to come here next year? No chance
You think we’re getting a better player to come here next year? No chance
I don’t see the difference between your hypothetical and what happens in reality with these kids. For example Kadary was leaving here anyway even if he didn’t land at St John’s. The kid freaking visited Duke. Posted here about Miami, Oklahoma and others being involved. Once a kid has handlers or agents starting to reach out - which any kid going into the portal is going to do - it’s fair game. And I think Hurley is like everyone else where he is going to do his job to get the kids he wants.
Hurley's job, like any other coach, is to win games.
He would be committing coaching malpractice if he passed up a chance to take one of our players and didn't. It doesn't mean he'd do it every year but if the right guy is available, all bets are off.
Isaiah Coleman is the best player on a bad team. He would not be a top guy on an NCAAT contender.
With the experience of this season and if he takes the leap one would ordinarily expect from sophomore to junior he might legit be a top guy. That's not to say you don't try to do better but I expect him to be a better player next season regardless of who he plays for.
In my humble opinion if there are 6 players from this year on next years roster the team is back at the bottom of the Big East. That is a recipe for disaster because Sha's loyalty to his players will not allow him to let his guys from this years team that played important minutes ride the bench next season if there is an influx of talent.
With increased team budgets and most players following the money, I am confident the upcoming portal is going to have even more players than last year. This team needs a rebuild from top to bottom. Go out and target the best available player you can afford at every position. Even if that player would displace a current player that you feel is a "must return".
Continuity means nothing for the majority of D1 teams, especially returning players from the worst team in the Big East. Either embrace the annual rebuild concept, like Pitino, or accept that the team will not compete for Big East titles and NCAA bids.
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