You wrote that he's no better than dozens (24+) and dozens (24+) and dozens (24+) and dozens (24+). That's 96 at bare minimum.
Just inviting you to back up the rhetoric or tone it down to reasonableness.
It’s official: Kadary to St. John’s
- Thread starter hallstorm
- Start date
Just inviting you to back up the rhetoric or tone it down to reasonableness.
His numbers at shu in 3 years say differently. He achieved more than most 4 year players stats wise
If Floyd stays we probably don't take Naheim Alleyne who ended up being important to the 2022–2023 championship run. I think Floyd would be better if he continued to be coached by Hurley, but who knows, right? He hasn't seemed to have done much at Providence, though I admit I really haven't paid much attention to it.
General Soreness doesn't even rank inside my top 9 Pirates of the last 10 years (in no specific order):
Isaiah
Khadeen
Desi
Angel
Mamu
Powell
McKnight
Gil
Rhoden
He'll be easily forgotten in 5 years. Those 9 guys are eternal.
Isaiah
Khadeen
Desi
Angel
Mamu
Powell
McKnight
Gil
Rhoden
He'll be easily forgotten in 5 years. Those 9 guys are eternal.
No big dance wins plays a part.
Barrett and Holloway teams both beat much higher seeded teams
Oh for God's sakes, he's better than McKnight and Gil and maybe others.
Of course he is. This is getting a little ridiculous.
His stats are better, no doubt, but Kadary doesn't make the starting 5 for that team. Since he's not a team player, I'd have McKnight as my backup 1.
1- Isaiah
2- Powell
3- Rhoden
4- Mamu
5- Angel
I said since Whitehead (i.e 2016)
I didn't see the Barrett and Holloway eras so I can’t speak on that comparison.
Kadary is on that list for sure. Somewhere in the range of the other first teamers and below Whitehead and Powell. Remember also, defense is a big part of basketball. That is where Richmond excels most.
Wouldn't it be funny if it was Pitino that didn't have him on the first team??I heard everyone but Ken Pomeroy and Joe Lunardi chose him.
When I noted best PGs I didn't include Whitehead. Not because he wasn't an all time great, but because I never saw him as a true point. More a combo guard who played the position out of necessity.
I agree Whitehead never really fit the mold of a true PG. Still, I think his impact running the offense was greater than anything we saw from Richmond.
Not a knock on KR either, rather a testament to how special IW was during that 2016 season.
No they didn't. Remember KW sitting the entire starting 5 numerous times. Remember "Desi being desi"?
Man revisionist history on this board is WILD
The best point guards since the Big East started at Seton Hall
1) Sha
2) Barrett
3) Whitehead
4) Richmond
5) Jordan Theodore
6) Oliver Taylor
7) Gerald Greene
8) Bryan Caver
9) Eugene Harvey
for one year players, Donald Copeland had a great senior year. I thought Bryce Aiken could have been amazing but injuries killed him.
1) Sha
2) Barrett
3) Whitehead
4) Richmond
5) Jordan Theodore
6) Oliver Taylor
7) Gerald Greene
8) Bryan Caver
9) Eugene Harvey
for one year players, Donald Copeland had a great senior year. I thought Bryce Aiken could have been amazing but injuries killed him.
Cernj, can you post this in the 'floor generals" thread? It would make for a fun debate, and I would love to respond, but I am tired of the "It's Official: Kadary to St. John's" thread which I think has now been "officially" beaten to death.
Funny the guys at the top of the list are the guys who can take over a game and win it it by themselves. The guys who fit the role of traditional PGs getting others involved and run the offense are at the bottom of the list.
Funny you say that since the top two leaders in assists sit at the top of that list. Also that the top 10 most assists in a year is Shaheen twice, Barret and Richmond appear. Those top 5 are clearly the best pgs in Seton Hall history in anyway you want to judge it.
See I think Sha and Barrett were traditional PGs. Whitehead no and Kadary a hybrid PG/wing.
Gerald Greene is 5th on the list with assists all time. He shared the ball with the guy who is 6th all time John Morton. Caver was there with some guy Hurley. So yeah when you control the ball and need to play more than 35 minutes a lot, that happens.
Sat IW, Desi and Angel in the 2nd half of the home Creighton game in 2016 for lack of effort. But after that, the team caught fire. Maybe KW knew what he was doing.
Team sat @Creighton one year and we got slaughtered. Desi had to sit multiple games for extended minutes/entire halves.
It wasn't just Kadary. IW, Desi, Angel had their issues as well.
Rudy Giuliani?
How in the world can NIL money be used to give Sha a raise? No way you passed the LSAT.
You posit some pretty dumb stuff, and you have an army of detractors, but this one is close to the top of the list, from someone who usually lets it slide.
The point is Sha built him up, but Sha didn't build him up alone. There's a whole cast of unsung heroes who made it happen. If Sha should be paid so should the others. Unless you think Sha alone got Kadary in the best shape of his career and unless Sha coached him while the assistants had doughnuts and coffee, there were many more people who made Kadary what he is.
At least spell things right when you call out dumb so you don't look dumb too.
I would have JT and Richmond tied for 5th, and Ollie Taylor above both of them. MVP of BET and led a team to the round of 8.
But they DID get paid. I don't think Dan meant that Dre and KR should literally give Sha money, do you?
This place is where spelling and grammar go to die, but what did I spell incorrectly?
SPK not Dan. I don't think it was literally, but Sha alone didn't turn him into the player he is. Nick Saban used to say his most important person on staff was his strength and conditioning coach because he's the only guy with the players all year round. Kadary clearly was in the best shape of his career this year. My comment, which wasn't as dumb as you think it was, said that Sha didn't do it alone and if these guys owe him money, Sha should be giving some to the team of people who also contributed their efforts to make these guys better.
I'm far from the spelling or grammar police, but when you call out dumb please spell correctly. Posit???
Maybe you should look up "posit." Anyway, I don't think anyone said only Sha was responsible for his growth and development at SHU, but I think we can agree that he's a unique talent prone to taking plays and games off, and it's a fair point to say that Sha and Seton Hall got the most out of him. How it plays with Pitino, I don't know -- I certainly would have liked to have him back.
I assume that there's a strength and conditioning team who make our guys better? That's not an assumption, that's a fact. At least if you spelled post wrong that would make more sense.
