It's All Been Decided.

[hallgrad80]

After all the debate and criticism , the harsh comments , the lost of many loyal fans , the cancellation by long standing season-ticket holders, the plan to withold donations and more about the state of the men's basketball program I have come to accept the inevitable truth that the administration at SH has made it's decision. Kevin Willard will return for a sixth year and possibly a seventh year despite all the evidence that he will never have success . The administration at SH has decided that it needs to make no public statement concerning the dismal state of the basketball program or the status of its head coach.

Thus any continued discussion about the men's basketball program, its head coach , the onerous provisions of his contract , the silence of the administration seems to be a fruitless exercise and maybe as Dan has suggested a number of times it really is time to move on because all that needs to be said has been said .

This post was edited on 3/17 8:50 AM by hallgrad80

 

[pirated]

Wow...so the bottom line is screw the alumni and fans so Hobbs and Lyons can keep their drinking buddy around. What a nightmare!

I wonder if clueless Kevin the clapper realizes how much he is revered by the fan base?

 

[HallBall10]

that's the thing hallgrad80...
"all that needs to be said has been said."

Correct me if I'm wrong but has anything been said from the one person's opinion that really matters?

All of this fan speculation, well a lot of this fan speculation would be put to bed if Lyons would come out and say... Willard is 100% going to be the head men's basketball coach, or fire the man.

Some might say Lyons doesn't need to come out and say that because Willard is under contract and unless he's fired he's coming back. But anybody with a pulse on the program knows that something needs to be said.

For example, UNLV seemed to be going through a similar circumstance and the coaching staff and AD made it known that the coaching staff will be returning and have years left on the contract. Whether the UNLV fanbase likes that or not, at least they are 100% sure who their coach will be. And more important recruits are 100% sure who their coach will be.

Where in the world is Patrick Lyons?

 

[The Crows Nest]

Lets root for the women this weekend....and give the mens program a rest. We all need it.

Go Ladies!!! Have fun, and make us proud!

 

[lwyrup]

Originally posted by hallgrad80:
After all the debate and criticism , the harsh comments , the lost of many loyal fans , the cancellation by long standing season-ticket holders, the plan to withold donations and more about the state of the men's basketball program I have come to accept the inevitable truth that the administration at SH has made it's decision. Kevin Willard will return for a sixth year and possibly a seventh year despite all the evidence that he will never have success . The administration at SH has decided that it needs to make no public statement concerning the dismal state of the basketball program or the status of its head coach.

Thus any continued discussion about the men's basketball program, its head coach , the onerous provisions of his contract , the silence of the administration seems to be a fruitless exercise and maybe as Dan has suggested a number of times it really is time to move on because all that needs to be said has been said .

This post was edited on 3/17 8:50 AM by hallgrad80

Nothing has been decided. The Board has not met yet.

 

[hallgrad80]

HallBall
As you probably know I was one of the early posters calling for SH to make some public statement concerning the status of its head coach and many, many , more have joined in that chorus to no avail. I will continue to believe that it is a serious mistake on their part but despite the many pleas to be transparent and to speak to the issue we have the administration remaining silent.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Hallgrad80:

I could see the silence as a lack of a vote of confidence for Willard. It may not be a bad thing. I would suggest you contact one of the members of the Board of Regents, in advance of the meeting, to share your opinion, as should anybody.

 

[HALL28]

I don't understand the sentiment here that because the decision has been made we should just stop talking about it/expressing our very legitimate concerns. What else should we discuss in the Seton Hall basketball forum? Any discussion of on-court topics is overshadowed by the fact that Willard has shown no ability in 5 years to take a roster and overachieve. Injuries have been a problem, yes, but in all 5 years we finished the season well below reasonable expectations.

Most of us only really care about men's basketball. Any discussion of that is going to continually come back to the head coach who is 30 and freaking 60 in the Big East including two years in a lesser conference than what Seton Hall faced in the past.

After he went 3-15 in the conference in the most uninspired disaster of a season I have ever seen for SHU basketball, 100% of the posters here would have said that if he goes 6-12 in the first two years in the new conference, we'll be looking for a new coach.

Well here we are. And not only are we being told that we have to continue on with an overmatched coach, we can't even get a comment from the athletic director expressing why the decision is the right one.

 

[Save Continental]

The lame attempts through Fox broadcasts and the local beat writers may be all you're going to get from SHU as it pertains to any kind of vote of confidence or where they stand with Kevin.

 

[hallgrad80]

lwyrup
You and I both know that if there was any hope that the BOR was going to mandate a change in the men's basketball program Dan and the other most informed posters on this Board would have been telling us all is not lost and to wait until the BOR meets. That has not happened and there has been no suggestion from any part of the SH administration, the AD's office or from any member of the BOR that a decision has not been made to retain Willard.

I hope I'm wrong but I'll stick to my belief that it's all been decided.

 

[TheBluePirate]

Originally posted by hallgrad80:
After all the debate and criticism , the harsh comments , the lost of many loyal fans , the cancellation by long standing season-ticket holders, the plan to withold donations and more about the state of the men's basketball program I have come to accept the inevitable truth that the administration at SH has made it's decision. Kevin Willard will return for a sixth year and possibly a seventh year despite all the evidence that he will never have success . The administration at SH has decided that it needs to make no public statement concerning the dismal state of the basketball program or the status of its head coach.

Thus any continued discussion about the men's basketball program, its head coach , the onerous provisions of his contract , the silence of the administration seems to be a fruitless exercise and maybe as Dan has suggested a number of times it really is time to move on because all that needs to be said has been said .

This post was edited on 3/17 8:50 AM by hallgrad80

Dear Hallgrad80,

With great respect to you, unless you have definitive inside information, I think this post expresses your emotional state about the situation, not a factual report of an actual result. I hope readers will understand this distinction and not jump to any conclusions regarding this situation.

It is true that we are waiting, some more patiently than others, to see if a "third path" can be worked out - not (a) he is retained as you state and not (b) he is fired outright - the third path being a mutually accommodating separation that is beneficial to both parties.

I too wished longingly for a result by today. Just because the result I wish for (and you too) has not happened, should not place us in the position of stirring up the pot with great anguish - at this time.

There are some key dates - and we ought to do our best to remain calm. I think one of the key dates is the Monday or Tuesday after the Board of Regents meets. This gives enough time for all parties to agree on a method of separation, to allow the current staff and/or future staff and/or administration to attend the Final Four with a cleared up agenda, whatever it may be.

It strikes me that if separation cannot be attained by that time, I would stand in the way of no man or woman wishing to howl to the skies about our program.

In the meantime, I trust and hope you will remain as tranquil as you can, I know this is my own focus. And I will be cheering for our WBB team (what a joy).

Respectfully yours,

TBP

 

[hallball95]

Originally posted by hallgrad80:
lwyrup
You and I both know that if there was any hope that the BOR was going to mandate a change in the men's basketball program Dan and the other most informed posters on this Board would have been telling us all is not lost and to wait until the BOR meets. That has not happened and there has been no suggestion from any part of the SH administration, the AD's office or from any member of the BOR that a decision has not been made to retain Willard.

I hope I'm wrong but I'll stick to my belief that it's all been decided.

Dan and some others on this board have proved unreliable at many points in this whole saga like the existence of the extension and amount of buyout. While i'm inclined to also believe he will be back nest year. I suppose that if BOR hasn't met there is still somewhat of a chance, but I'd guess a slim one.

 

[Pirate64]

Keep the pressure on.. From now until he's gone.

 

[garyshu71]

Wait

 

[hbkmyr]

Not that this means anything...but these are the dates when we've dismissed our last few coaches:

Bobby Gonzalez - Fired March 17th; (Happy St. Patrick's Day and 5th Anniversary of the BG Firing, lol)
Orr - Fired 3/24
Amaker - Left 3/29
Blaney - Fired 3/11.


This post was edited on 3/17 11:30 AM by hbkmyr

 

[anon_4htvdezyfe7k9]

Originally posted by hbkmyr:
Not that this means anything...but these are the dates when we've dismissed our last few coaches:

Bobby Gonzales - Fired March 17th;
Orr - Fired 3/24
Amaker - Left 3/29
Blaney - Fired 3/11.

If the BOR meeting is on the 26th I wonder if that puts us at any risk of missing out on prospects if Willard doesn't return. I doubt there will be any hirings between now and then but will other schools who have openings be in communication with potential candidates between now and then? Seems like it might be a good idea to "bump" the meeting up considering they should have all the information they need to make a decision on what is, or should be, the most important talking point of the meeting.

 

[TheBluePirate]

Originally posted by phi_pirates:

Originally posted by hbkmyr:
Not that this means anything...but these are the dates when we've dismissed our last few coaches:

Bobby Gonzales - Fired March 17th;
Orr - Fired 3/24
Amaker - Left 3/29
Blaney - Fired 3/11.

If the BOR meeting is on the 26th I wonder if that puts us at any risk of missing out on prospects if Willard doesn't return. I doubt there will be any hirings between now and then but will other schools who have openings be in communication with potential candidates between now and then? Seems like it might be a good idea to "bump" the meeting up considering they should have all the information they need to make a decision on what is, or should be, the most important talking point of the meeting.

I do agree with this concern. This particular agenda item is very time dependent, unlike in many respects any other items they are likely to be facing (which will sure have time-based elements, but perhaps not to such a degree).

 

[Piratz]

I'd assume all wheels are still turning. What went on this year was bad and the worst part was the defeatist image and lack of motivation and fight shown all year. When the going got tough, well, we passed out.

 

[hallgrad80]

BluePirate
You're probably right as my level of frustration grows with the "stalemate of is he or isn't he" our coach next year continues. Like so many of us the voice of reason always seems to come from our spouses. As my wife so wisely said, " Why the hell are you worrying about Seton Hall basketball , you're sitting by the pool in 80 degree weather at The Breakers in Palm Beach so have two drinks at lunch , not one and the pain will go away." So that's what I'll do. As always a wise words , BP.

 

[lokiSHU]

A new Men's BB head coach would also help energize the Alumni base in combination with the Medical School announcement. I can see the combined optimism for the future of SHU as translating into much more successful fundraising efforts for SHU.

 

[TheBluePirate]

Originally posted by hallgrad80:
BluePirate
You're probably right as my level of frustration grows with the "stalemate of is he or isn't he" our coach next year continues. Like so many of us the voice of reason always seems to come from our spouses. As my wife so wisely said, " Why the hell are you worrying about Seton Hall basketball , you're sitting by the pool in 80 degree weather at The Breakers in Palm Beach so have two drinks at lunch , not one and the pain will go away." So that's what I'll do. As always a wise words , BP.

There are times when the two-martini lunch is a tradition worth holding to.

 

[anon_x0d8d0dquuo4t]

Come to think of it, I once got canned in March, too. And to think they say April is the cruelest month.

 

[lwyrup]

Originally posted by hallgrad80:
lwyrup
You and I both know that if there was any hope that the BOR was going to mandate a change in the men's basketball program Dan and the other most informed posters on this Board would have been telling us all is not lost and to wait until the BOR meets. That has not happened and there has been no suggestion from any part of the SH administration, the AD's office or from any member of the BOR that a decision has not been made to retain Willard.

I hope I'm wrong but I'll stick to my belief that it's all been decided.

I don't agree with this but I can understand your perspective.

 

[HALL85]

Originally posted by TheBluePirate:

Originally posted by phi_pirates:

Originally posted by hbkmyr:
Not that this means anything...but these are the dates when we've dismissed our last few coaches:

Bobby Gonzales - Fired March 17th;
Orr - Fired 3/24
Amaker - Left 3/29
Blaney - Fired 3/11.

If the BOR meeting is on the 26th I wonder if that puts us at any risk of missing out on prospects if Willard doesn't return. I doubt there will be any hirings between now and then but will other schools who have openings be in communication with potential candidates between now and then? Seems like it might be a good idea to "bump" the meeting up considering they should have all the information they need to make a decision on what is, or should be, the most important talking point of the meeting.

I do agree with this concern. This particular agenda item is very time dependent, unlike in many respects any other items they are likely to be facing (which will sure have time-based elements, but perhaps not to such a degree).

First of all the BOR meeting is more of a formality than anything else, so I don't see that date tied to any action or inaction.

If the AD and President have identified this as a time-sensitive problem, you don't wait for a meeting....you do what you need to do via individual meetings, conference calls or emergency meetings, etc. There would be a bunch of other issues to cover at a BOR meeting (hopefully) that you do not hijack it for one issue, especially when you can get it done outside the meeting.

Now that our season is concluded, obviously, if there is any change anticipated, the sooner the better, but that's more dependent on separation negotiation than anything else (which I would assume is happening as we speak and not waiting for the 26th to debate it.).

 

[Bobbie Solo]

Originally posted by The Crows Nest:

Lets root for the women this weekend....and give the mens program a rest. We all need it.

Go Ladies!!! Have fun, and make us proud!

no.

 

[garyshu71]

Originally posted by lwyrup:

Originally posted by hallgrad80:
lwyrup
You and I both know that if there was any hope that the BOR was going to mandate a change in the men's basketball program Dan and the other most informed posters on this Board would have been telling us all is not lost and to wait until the BOR meets. That has not happened and there has been no suggestion from any part of the SH administration, the AD's office or from any member of the BOR that a decision has not been made to retain Willard.

I hope I'm wrong but I'll stick to my belief that it's all been decided.

I don't agree with this but I can understand your perspective.

Umm, I said wait. I'll say it one more time so you get it, wait.

 

[Section112]

I say wait as well. I believe nothing is final yet at this point.