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Karenmania running wild

I guess it's hard to respond to two people who quoted my post at the same time. The nuclear family portion was for the other guy.

Your definition of Karen is not one that's widely accepted and in no circumstances is specific to coronavirus -- I believe the genesis was a privileged non-minority calling the police on a minority for perceived wrong-doing. My original sentiments hold true; most people on this board, as reflected by their posts, are rightfully ignorant because of their privileged (read: does not mean wealthy) circumstances.
A lot on LOTS needed to check their privilege a long time ago
 
A lot on LOTS needed to check their privilege a long time ago

Maybe the ones spouting about priviledge are the ones who've had the priviledge life. I grew up in rural NJ to two parents who worked night and day to save money, including doing jobs some of you have claimed Americans would not do, to send us to college. That's called sacrifice and hard work, not priviledge.

You sound like an ignoramus when you paint white people as having priviledge.
 
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Once again, an under-educated response. The subject of this thread is about "Karens", not your ability, or lack thereof, to raise a child with a partner. My statement, once again, is exemplary of the majority, it's not the subject of it.

No one is talking shame. The point is, you can't understand the minority viewpoint and vice versa. "Karens" are being shamed because they should be. The statement I've quoted below is the most uneducated statement I've read on this board in a very long time. Can you imagine having the police called on you because you, as a child, are selling lemonade, having a family bbq, or bird-watching? Who are Karen's being frightened by? Minorities? The government? This is fringe tinfoil hat territory. Go about your life like a reasonable person.

"Actually "Karen's" and "Neil's" are those who are frightened into submission and lash out at those who want to get on with everyday life."

The only one undereducated is you. What is the minority viewpoint? If it's that whites are priviledged because they have nuclear families then I suggest minorities work on that, only they can fix that "priviledge" that whites have.
 
The only one undereducated is you. What is the minority viewpoint? If it's that whites are priviledged because they have nuclear families then I suggest minorities work on that, only they can fix that "priviledge" that whites have.

Can’t really argue with this. I think it just proves the point that you can’t understand the plight of many racial minorities and how they are inherently under privileged. If you can’t at least acknowledge that, no amount of my own experiences as a minority will convince you.
 
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Can’t really argue with this. I think it just proves the point that you can’t understand the plight of many racial minorities and how they are inherently under privileged. If you can’t at least acknowledge that, no amount of my own experiences as a minority will convince you.

Seems you are biased. I told you my experience and its not priviledge
 
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Typical, under-educated response. My statement should be taken at face-value, not your interpretation of it. The majority viewpoint here comes from a place of majority so therefore you cannot understand the plight of the minority. And nor can I yours.
How sad that everything has to be looked through the lens of either Black Lives Matter or white privilege. So everything comes down to viewing things solely because the color of someone’s skin. That’s about as superficial as one can get.

explain to me how the following for people would have the same experience.
- Black person living in Alabama that is the descendant of slaves.
- First generation Somalian immigrant.
- Two children from the same mixed marriage parents. One that is light skinned and the other dark.
- Dark skinned Puerto Rican.

Which ones are black and how are their experiences alike? How do they even understand each other’s experiences? And somehow every “white” person has had the same experience according to these idiots.
 
Seems you are biased. I told you my experience and its not priviledge

I have tried to explain it before. White privilege does not equal a privileged life.

It means there are certain aspects of life that people of color experience things differently than white people do. From relationships with teachers, police, cashiers at a grocery store etc etc etc... Not saying that all of it is intentional. Part of it is familiarity since a majority of this country is white.
 
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I have tried to explain it before. White privilege does not equal a privileged life.

It means there are certain aspects of life that people of color experience things differently than white people do. From relationships with teachers, police, cashiers at a grocery store etc etc etc... Not saying that all of it is intentional. Part of it is familiarity since a majority of this country is white.
Define “people of color”.
 
Can’t really argue with this. I think it just proves the point that you can’t understand the plight of many racial minorities and how they are inherently under privileged. If you can’t at least acknowledge that, no amount of my own experiences as a minority will convince you.
Are you really saying conversation won't work? White people can't understand the plight of racial minorities. I would guess it works vice versa as well. Are we all too stupid? Regardless of how we go about fixing things we all can't understand each other? If that's what you're saying....you shouldn't make a comment about anyone else, because you can't understand their life.
 
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Are you really saying conversation won't work? White people can't understand the plight of racial minorities. I would guess it works vice versa as well.

He can correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think he meant “you” as in everyone... but “you” as in knies specifically.

Most people can learn if they are willing to listen.
 
He can correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think he meant “you” as in everyone... but “you” as in knies specifically.

Most people can learn if they are willing to listen.
I agree. There's a problem between the police and the black community, but not as bad as the media claims, however it is a problem. The police need to listen. At the same time, the community needs to listen to the police. There's much truth to 3 sides to every story. George Floyd's side of the story needs to be heard but so does officer Dorn and the many police officers killed on duty, they need to have their side heard too. Right now people who want to present either side of the story are getting shut down immediately by the other side and we're not getting to the truth.
 
Too hard for you? I’m being serious.

No you’re not. It’s obvious. I really don’t care to take the bait for your straw man. Replace it with minority if you want. The point remains the same.
 
I agree. There's a problem between the police and the black community, but not as bad as the media claims, however it is a problem. The police need to listen. At the same time, the community needs to listen to the police. There's much truth to 3 sides to every story. George Floyd's side of the story needs to be heard but so does officer Dorn and the many police officers killed on duty, they need to have their side heard too. Right now people who want to present either side of the story are getting shut down immediately by the other side and we're not getting to the truth.

absolutely agree with all of that.
 
No you’re not. It’s obvious. I really don’t care to take the bait for your straw man. Replace it with minority if you want. The point remains the same.
No, I am being serious. Not everything in life is two sides. If you don’t want to participate in the discussion just say so.
 
No, I am being serious. Not everything in life is two sides. If you don’t want to participate in the discussion just say so.

I’ve clarified. Minority.

minority
noun, often attributive

mi·nor·i·ty | \ mə-ˈnȯr-ə-tē , mī-, -ˈnär- \
plural minorities
Definition of minority


1a: the period before attainment of majority (see MAJORITY sense 2)
b: the state of being a legal minor
2: the smaller in number of two groups constituting a wholespecifically : a group having less than the number of votes necessary for control The proposition was opposed by a minority of voters.
3a: a part of a population differing from others in some characteristics and often subjected to differential treatment the country's ethnic minorities
b: a member of a minority group an effort to hire more minorities
 
He can correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think he meant “you” as in everyone... but “you” as in knies specifically.

Most people can learn if they are willing to listen.

Life is hard for many people of all races. The only ones painting entire races with broad brush strokes are people accusing whites of privilege. It's a RACIST thing to do.
 
Life is hard for many people of all races. The only ones painting entire races with broad brush strokes are people accusing whites of privilege. It's a RACIST thing to do.

white privilege does not mean life isn’t hard for anyone.

I’m trying to help you understand that. How can I help to be more clear?
 
white privilege does not mean life isn’t hard for anyone.

I’m trying to help you understand that. How can I help to be more clear?

How can I help you understand that portraying a whole race as having some advantage is racist? Just like it would be racist if we painted all blacks a certain way.
 
I’ve clarified. Minority.

minority
noun, often attributive

mi·nor·i·ty | \ mə-ˈnȯr-ə-tē , mī-, -ˈnär- \
plural minorities
Definition of minority


1a: the period before attainment of majority (see MAJORITY sense 2)
b: the state of being a legal minor
2: the smaller in number of two groups constituting a wholespecifically : a group having less than the number of votes necessary for control The proposition was opposed by a minority of voters.
3a: a part of a population differing from others in some characteristics and often subjected to differential treatment the country's ethnic minorities
b: a member of a minority group an effort to hire more minorities
I’m not playing games here, but based on your response, your definition goes well beyond BLM. It all depends on the characteristics chosen to define a minority.
 
How can I help you understand that portraying a whole race as having some advantage is racist? Just like it would be racist if we painted all blacks a certain way.

White people do have an advantage. It’s familiarity.
People preference what they are familiar with.
 
I’m not playing games here, but based on your response, your definition goes well beyond BLM. It all depends on the characteristics chosen to define a minority.

Has nothing to do with BLM.
 
Great article. It absolutely is a racist term, only meant to divide and distract from having real discussions and actions to make a better world.

How can we have real discussions if we can’t acknowledge that people have a preference for what they are familiar with which plays a part in many aspects of society.
 
White people do have an advantage. It’s familiarity.
People preference what they are familiar with.

I could respond in so many ways. I don't think you're an extremist but you're really racially profiling with that statement.
 
"White privilege" and "systemic racism" are the new buzzwords, except they don't really exist. They are only meant to divide people.
 
Studies have shown there are unconscious biases people have, and we tend to prefer what we are familiar with.

Hold up, does this only apply to white People? What does familiarity have to do with the racist "white privilege" mantra?
 
"White privilege" and "systemic racism" are the new buzzwords, except they don't really exist. They are only meant to divide people.

Merge is now claiming "familiarity" and unconscious biases. As if those only exist in white people.
 
Merge is now claiming "familiarity" and unconscious biases. As if those only exist in white people.

They don’t. They exist in everyone but the majority of this country is white so white people see that result differently than minority groups.
 
"White privilege" and "systemic racism" are the new buzzwords, except they don't really exist. They are only meant to divide people.

Disagree but you are free to your opinion.

But I will ask, why do you think black people are twice as likely to be searched by police even though they are found to have contraband half as much as white people?

what do you think explains the result of a study like the one below?

https://www.apa.org/monitor/jan05/visual
 
Disagree but you are free to your opinion.

But I will ask, why do you think black people are twice as likely to be searched by police even though they are found to have contraband half as much as white people?

what do you think explains the result of a study like the one below?

https://www.apa.org/monitor/jan05/visual

Because black people commit more crimes per capita than white people, specifically violent crimes. This is what statistics show.
 
Because black people commit more crimes per capita than white people, specifically violent crimes. This is what statistics show.

Doesn’t explain the disparity of how police go after drugs, but yes, That is true.

People watch the news and become familiar with black people committing crime, so the associate black people with crime unconsciously. Now imagine yourself growing up where people are more likely to identify you with crime than people of other races. People look at you differently when you walk into a store or even down the street.

Would that be justified? Fair to you? Would you get tired of losing the benefit of the doubt?
 
I don't look at them differently. I treat everyone the same unless they give me reason to do otherwise.
 
Doesn’t explain the disparity of how police go after drugs, but yes, That is true.

People watch the news and become familiar with black people committing crime, so the associate black people with crime unconsciously. Now imagine yourself growing up where people are more likely to identify you with crime than people of other races. People look at you differently when you walk into a store or even down the street.

Would that be justified? Fair to you? Would you get tired of losing the benefit of the doubt?
Sadly that’s the way life works and it starts in grade school. If you’re older brother gave a teacher a problem, and you have that same teacher, they’ll watch you a little closer. Fair? No. But if you do the right thing, it all works out in the end.
 
Sadly that’s the way life works and it starts in grade school. If you’re older brother gave a teacher a problem, and you have that same teacher, they’ll watch you a little closer. Fair? No. But if you do the right thing, it all works out in the end.

Exactly. That student does not get the benefit of the doubt if they make a mistake while others in the class might... right? That one student might have to work harder than the others to prove that they are just as smart and responsible as everyone else in the room?

If that one student complains it’s not fair that they face a greater level of scrutiny, should the others in the class acknowledge that it is unfair, or just say that it isn’t real?
 
How can we have real discussions if we can’t acknowledge that people have a preference for what they are familiar with which plays a part in many aspects of society.
Have the discussion without stereotyping.
 
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